No Parade figure compromise (3 Viewers)

[daruss]

Since FL is adamant about not producing third Reich parade figures.. How bout a compromise, maybe making a Berchtesgaden series! Preferably better job than what the other guys did!

 

[daruss]

Any one else interested in an FL Berchtesgaden series??

 

[King Tiger II]

Excellent idea.


Serge.

 

[jazzeum]

God forbid.

 

[Andanna]

Nope. I am not buying from nazi embracing companies and I do not want to lose FL. The list is long enough.

 

[daruss]

So tell me, which companies are embracing nazis?

 

[wayne556517]

Nope. I am not buying from nazi embracing companies and I do not want to lose FL. The list is long enough.

And they already do make "German" products ^&confuse^&confuse

Aren't/weren't the SS Nazi,s as you so nicely put it ??

 

[zblang]

No parading nazis for me

 

[jazzeum]

I believe the distinction is between LAH type figures (e.g., SA) and fighting figures, admittedly members of both were Nazis.

Matt has previously indicated he won't make any of the former.

 

[King & Country]

Since FL is adamant about not producing third Reich parade figures.. How bout a compromise, maybe making a Berchtesgaden series! Preferably better job than what the other guys did!

Well, at least the 'other guys' did it!
Andy.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

So, Let me get this straight. German SS parade figures marching are....Bad. German SS combat figures wearing camouflage and carrying heavy weapons
depicting the intent to kill are.....OK ?

Wayne

 

[Vezzolf]

I have no desire to see FL produce parading Nazi figures....There are much more interesting things to be done by FL for WWII.....(A grey Stug III Ausf D short barrel assault gun).....This is NOT a moral issue for me.....I do own "some" of K/C's parading Nazi figures because IMO they have historical significance in a WWII collection.....Do I want alot of them or an excessive Nazi parade scene... ABSOLUTELY... NO.......FL's decision to stay out of this area is a good decision IMO.....it is covered by K/C and that's more then enough. IMO

 

[Andanna]

So, Let me get this straight. German SS parade figures marching are....Bad. German SS combat figures wearing camouflage and carrying heavy weapons
depicting the intent to kill are.....OK ?

Wayne

Correct. SS troops are good because they serve as targets for allied forces. You cannot have WWII US GIs without fighting SS and Wehrmacht troops.

 

[Napoleon1er]

There are a number of problematic things about this thread.

First, it is really unfair to K&C. I happen to think their figures are excellent, even if I would never collect them for previously stated reasons.

Second, I want to defend Andy from any suggestion of affinity with the Nazis. Like some here, I would NEVER collect Nazi parade figures, and I think companies should not produce them. That said, I don't see many other companies (R4A is the only other one I know of) who have produced Israeli lines. Producing '67 figures not only involved significant financial risk, but significant political risk. While I disagree with the decision to produce Nazi parade figures, I don't for a second think this has any deeper meaning. I have never met Andy, but he is welcome at my Seder table any time.

Third, there is a significant different between producing combat and parade SS figures. Combat figures are needed to depict the war as it happened. Parade figures depict the Nazi political machine.

Fourth, FL has made what I assume is a principled decision not to produce Nazi parade figures. How would producing Berchtesgaden figures, which are meant to depict Hitler's personal life, be any different to them?

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Correct. SS troops are good because they serve as targets for allied forces. You cannot have WWII US GIs without fighting SS and Wehrmacht troops.

Vice - Versa. You can not have German Troops with MG42 Machine guns without their "Targets" to shoot at as well. All about perception.
Whether they wore a Black parade uniform or camouflage one, they were all one in the same as far as what they stood for. In fairness not all German's were
Nazi's. Many got caught up in the middle fighting for survival versus supporting the regime's evil ideals. Back to the topic of this thread, It is unlikely that FL
will produce anything WWII German other than their current offerings.

Wayne

 

[nysoldiers]

The German soldier in battle is less a symbol of the evil Nazi ideology then the parading and Hitler idolizing marchers.....in my humble opinion. Displaying a WWII battle with Germans against the Allies
can teach "good winning over evil", even losing some battles we know the outcome was righteous.
I won't collect the Germans on parade or have a figure of Hitler in my home, it would be offensive to some of my relatives and friends. And I certainly don't want my children and grandchildren thinking in any way that I am glorifying the Nazi regime which I think parade figures can do.
To be open minded, however, there are many who think that Napoleon, Alexander, Julius Caesar and other historical figures were evil and I do collect them. I suppose the context of history can be explained and rationalized but I am afraid that impressionable children get the wrong idea.
I think there is an impression that a percentage of collectors who buy these Nazis on parade do so to promote an evil ideology. Lets face it there are plenty of neo-Nazis, neo-fascists, skinheads and disturbed people around today.
The Germans have banned most Nazi symbols but they do teach the historical reality of the Third Reich and all its evils. Obviously they have good reason to reject any possible glorification or rationalization of what their country did to the world.

What really disturbed me was TCS latest release of the "Der Fuhrer Statue". Unless you are collecting a 'rogues gallery" or just fascinated by evil this would be offensive to me if I viewed it in someone's home.

 

[zblang]

A figure in parade is about a celebration and honor. To me nazis deserve neither.
I wa at a WWII weekend, the guys dressed as German soldiers didn't bug me, those dressed in their death squadron blacks, I wanted to punch in the face. There were holocausr survivors there and these morons are dressed as the guys who killed their families.
It's no secret that I'm a Jew. As a Jew celebrating a horrific event like that is completely foreign to me.
How many kkk figures are made? How many Turks killing Armenians?
Again, collect what you want, but to be shocked that people have strong opinions is well, shocking

 

[zblang]

I'm with you on that Hitler statue.... other than glorification, what is the rational behind owning a large Hitler statue???

 

[jazzeum]

I couldn't agree more with the posts by Rich and Zach so no more need be added as we've been down this road many times.

As a historical period, I find Hitler's rise to power fascinating and have a few books on the topic (I recommend Richard Evans' trilogy and Volker Ullrich's recent biography) but figures, no way.

 

[Napoleon1er]

As another proud Jew, I was also bothered by the Hitler statue. I could kind of understand it if it was in a series of evil historical figures (Stalin, etc...), but as it stands, I don't know what CS was thinking.