Oliver Cromwell (1 Viewer)

[Poppo]

Was he a hero or a criminal? A democratic or a dictator? Modern or a fanatic puritan? Maybe a mix of these things?.....

What do you think of this controversial historical figure who let execute for the first time a king in Europe?

 

[lancer]

Was he a hero or a criminal? A democratic or a dictator? Modern or a fanatic puritan? Maybe a mix of these things?.....

What do you think of this controversial historical figure who let execute for the first time a king in Europe?

Being of Irish lineage, I can't give an answer that would be printable on this forum. I will just say that I don't view him in a good light.:wink2: -- Al

 

[Poppo]

Being of Irish lineage, I can't give an answer that would be printable on this forum. I will just say that I don't view him in a good light.:wink2: -- Al

{sm4} I understand you Al ....

 

[TomB]

Was he a hero or a criminal? A democratic or a dictator? Modern or a fanatic puritan? Maybe a mix of these things?.....

What do you think of this controversial historical figure who let execute for the first time a king in Europe?

A Fanatic religious Dickhead......cheers TomB

 

[Louis Badolato]

A Fanatic religious Dickhead......cheers TomB

I concur in your assessment Tom.:wink2:

 

[Rob]

Fanatical Puritan for me and a King Killer to boot, so not a fan.

Rob

 

[TomB]

Fanatical Puritan for me and a King Killer to boot, so not a fan.

Rob

All the carnage and destruction caused by the Civil War and mr cromwell was for NOTHING.....England still ended up with a King....maybe they curtailed a bit of the old ...."Off with their Head "... a bit.....but what did it achieve ???.......Opps..cant answer that question as my English History aint that hot these days .....you would know more about that than me Rob.......cheers TomB

 

[The Military Workshop]

Another point to consider.

The Cavaliers looked so cool ^&cool

 

[Rob]

All the carnage and destruction caused by the Civil War and mr cromwell was for NOTHING.....England still ended up with a King....maybe they curtailed a bit of the old ...."Off with their Head "... a bit.....but what did it achieve ???.......Opps..cant answer that question as my English History aint that hot these days .....you would know more about that than me Rob.......cheers TomB

Tom,

Trouble is that its a very controversial subject with very strong opinions on either side to this day because of what he did in Ireland, the siege of Drogheda being perhaps one of the most infamous events. I think overall the return of Monarchy was much welcomed and the idea of Puritanism is to this day pretty much despised and mocked , but as I say touchy subject so I'll leave it there:wink2:

Rob

 

[emilsson]

The most positive thing I can say about Cromwell is that the Civil War is a useful way to illustrate the difference between short-term and long-term causes when teaching history.

 

[TomB]

Tom,

Trouble is that its a very controversial subject with very strong opinions on either side to this day because of what he did in Ireland, the siege of Drogheda being perhaps one of the most infamous events. I think overall the return of Monarchy was much welcomed and the idea of Puritanism is to this day pretty much despised and mocked , but as I say touchy subject so I'll leave it there:wink2:

Rob

Thank you for that.... You have got me interested...I will have to check out the Irish bit ..,,,a lot of Irish settled in Aust and still are,,,,,Me and me wife have Irish blood way back somewhere...my son has several Irish mates....they are as mad as meat axe's..no insults intended... good lads...they have helped me with work around the house which I was unable to do.....I keep the conversation away from politics's when I have a couple of drinks with them....religion has caused so many bloody problems in Ireland,,,,and I mean bloody in the real sense .......cheers TomB

 

[Martin Tabony]

The Boss, you can probably gues what I think!

 

[Poppo]

Thank you guys for your interesting points of view.

Interesting to know the opinion from english speaking language guys who know better and have more sensibility than me on this carachter and this background. So personally, I have no point of view on him,I just watched a documentary on TV and then read something...I just find Cromwell historically interesting as a break of history.
What is amazing is that all of you have a negative judgment, both british and irish origin people members.So everybody agrees!
Please keep on the conversation for those who wish, I like to read it

 

[jazzeum]

From the comments, it seems that what William Faulkner said about the American Civil War may apply to all civil wars, maybe to history in general:

"The past is never dead. It's not even past."

 

[TomB]

The Boss, you can probably gues what I think!

Have no ideal what Liz thinks but I for one have a great deal of respect for her...as a member of a Commonwealth Country "I Served for Queen and Country ".........your post is meant in fun...I appreciate that....... but..." I am not impressed"...TomB

 

[Scott]

Possible lessons of Cromwell and the ECW are that it takes a professional standing army to win, but that a professional standing army is expensive and a danger to civil liberties. Discuss.....

 

[Martin Tabony]

Have no ideal what Liz thinks but I for one have a great deal of respect for her...as a member of a Commonwealth Country "I Served for Queen and Country ".........your post is meant in fun...I appreciate that....... but..." I am not impressed"...TomB

I was replying to the original post, pointing out that as a member of The Life Guards (the senior regiment of the British army and bodyguard to the Sovereign) I am obviously a royalist. I don't understand why I seam to have offended you? Please explain.

Martin

 

[TomB]

I was replying to the original post, pointing out that as a member of The Life Guards (the senior regiment of the British army and bodyguard to the Sovereign) I am obviously a royalist. I don't understand why I seam to have offended you? Please explain.

Martin[/QUOT/ Going back a long way...my experience with Brit soldiers (National Servicemen and Reg's..I was attached to a Brit Hq for several months) I found as a cheeky young aussie any reference about the the Queen brought a sharp response ......I guess some of their attitude has rubbed off onto me without my realizing it .........upon reflection......I did mis-read your post and jumped in with both feet.....sorry about that......TomB

 

[Martin Tabony]

I was replying to the original post, pointing out that as a member of The Life Guards (the senior regiment of the British army and bodyguard to the Sovereign) I am obviously a royalist. I don't understand why I seam to have offended you? Please explain.

Martin[/QUOT/ Going back a long way...my experience with Brit soldiers (National Servicemen and Reg's..I was attached to a Brit Hq for several months) I found as a cheeky young aussie any reference about the the Queen brought a sharp response ......I guess some of their attitude has rubbed off onto me without my realizing it .........upon reflection......I did mis-read your post and jumped in with both feet.....sorry about that......TomB

No problem mate, but let me reasure you that any diminutive name we (Household Division) have for Her Majesty is purely because of the closeness we feel towards her! When it comes down to traditions, you wouldn't believe the palavar when a member of each regiment is involved!

Martin

 

[TomB]

No problem mate, but let me reasure you that any diminutive name we (Household Division) have for Her Majesty is purely because of the closeness we feel towards her! When it comes down to traditions, you wouldn't believe the palavar when a member of each regiment is involved!

Martin[/QUOTE Yep...it would be something to behold ...... cheers TomB