Omaha Beach Reinforcements! (1 Viewer)

AIDMAN said:
Don"t make too many appearences on the forum of late and this thread is one of the main reasons Scott has made some darned good suggestions and i have always felt that the Rangers and 29th Inf Div could have been taken much further. What a shame that apparently some members feel the need for notification if someone stops or restarts with collecting toy soldiers and a couple of the comments were nothing short of sarcastic bullying....It"s your choice friend wether to collect or not and wether to "QUOTE..Play at being a soldier" or not. I too was for many years a serious participant in a Living History group 90th Inf Div and we had nothing but respect for the the "real soldiers" and what they did to make Europe a free place....and playing at soldiers or not the vets loved us for keeping the memories of thier sacrifices alive.
So the unfortunate comment...."I was a real soldier"i find very hard to swallow!!...The real soldiers have imo been in combat, faced daily hardships and the very real chance of death or being maimed, and if they get to return home they are often physically and mentally broken....Don"t know if you guys are familiar with the Invictus Programe..?? Those are the guys that may proudly say "l was a real soldier.

Lighten up....This is a Toy Soldier forum!! RESPECT is the keyword.

Steve
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Well Steve, you raise some interesting points...when it comes to 'Respect'...That word goes two ways and it's also worth remembering that just because you are twenty something it does not give you a 'free pass' to be sarcastic or demeaning to others simply because of your 'tender years'.

Likewise your point about, 'you finding it hard to swallow' about me talking about 'real soldiering' as opposed to 're enacting' and how you felt real soldiers had to come back either physically or mentally broken from combat to somehow prove they were 'real soldiers' in your eyes.

Well that's true enough to a point...some blokes did come back physically and mentally shattered...I served in the 70's (72-77) and of course for British Forces then the Terrorist War in Ulster was at its height with shootings, bombings and riots often on a daily basis...That seemed to me then and still today pretty real and required real soldiers and marines to handle it...not guys playing at it for fun.

And contrary to what you might think most guys despite the casualties returned all in one piece and fairly well-adjusted into the bargain!

Re enacting and living history is fun and certainly educational for those taking part and perhaps even for those watching it BUT it doesn't come even close to REAL SOLDIERING no matter what you might think.

As for your injunction to 'lighten up'...Not a problem...Most of the time I am all 'sweetness and light' as my colour sergeant in the Royal Marines used to say...Until someone would piss him off!

Best wishes and happy collecting, Andy.
 
AIDMAN said:
Don"t make too many appearences on the forum of late and this thread is one of the main reasons Scott has made some darned good suggestions and i have always felt that the Rangers and 29th Inf Div could have been taken much further. What a shame that apparently some members feel the need for notification if someone stops or restarts with collecting toy soldiers and a couple of the comments were nothing short of sarcastic bullying....It"s your choice friend wether to collect or not and wether to "QUOTE..Play at being a soldier" or not. I too was for many years a serious participant in a Living History group 90th Inf Div and we had nothing but respect for the the "real soldiers" and what they did to make Europe a free place....and playing at soldiers or not the vets loved us for keeping the memories of thier sacrifices alive.
So the unfortunate comment...."I was a real soldier"i find very hard to swallow!!...The real soldiers have imo been in combat, faced daily hardships and the very real chance of death or being maimed, and if they get to return home they are often physically and mentally broken....Don"t know if you guys are familiar with the Invictus Programe..?? Those are the guys that may proudly say "l was a real soldier.

Lighten up....This is a Toy Soldier forum!! RESPECT is the keyword.

Steve
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Thank you mate! Really appreciate this comment as out of everything that was said by others I was too taken aback by the rest of the rubbish that I totally overlooked this comment as I felt I'd be farting against the wind!

Much respect mate!

Scott
 
Well that's true enough to a point...some blokes did come back physically and mentally shattered...I served in the 70's (72-77) and of course for British Forces then the Terrorist War in Ulster was at its height with shootings, bombings and riots often on a daily basis...That seemed to me then and still today pretty real and required real soldiers and marines to handle it...not guys playing at it for fun.



Sunday bloody sunday...{sm4}
 
Poppo said:
Well that's true enough to a point...some blokes did come back physically and mentally shattered...I served in the 70's (72-77) and of course for British Forces then the Terrorist War in Ulster was at its height with shootings, bombings and riots often on a daily basis...That seemed to me then and still today pretty real and required real soldiers and marines to handle it...not guys playing at it for fun.



Sunday bloody sunday...{sm4}
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As I recall Poppo...'Sunday Bloody Sunday' was no laughing matter.
Andy.
 
AIDMAN said:
Don"t make too many appearences on the forum of late and this thread is one of the main reasons Scott has made some darned good suggestions and i have always felt that the Rangers and 29th Inf Div could have been taken much further. What a shame that apparently some members feel the need for notification if someone stops or restarts with collecting toy soldiers and a couple of the comments were nothing short of sarcastic bullying....It"s your choice friend wether to collect or not and wether to "QUOTE..Play at being a soldier" or not. I too was for many years a serious participant in a Living History group 90th Inf Div and we had nothing but respect for the the "real soldiers" and what they did to make Europe a free place....and playing at soldiers or not the vets loved us for keeping the memories of thier sacrifices alive.
So the unfortunate comment...."I was a real soldier"i find very hard to swallow!!...The real soldiers have imo been in combat, faced daily hardships and the very real chance of death or being maimed, and if they get to return home they are often physically and mentally broken....Don"t know if you guys are familiar with the Invictus Programe..?? Those are the guys that may proudly say "l was a real soldier.

Lighten up....This is a Toy Soldier forum!! RESPECT is the keyword.

Steve
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I believe anyone who has served has earned the right to say "I was a real soldier" PERIOD. The military and related services are not just available for anyone and everyone and just to make it into one of them as a career takes a lot of guts and mental capacity, so I don't really agree with your pronouncement above that only combat, etc. All soldiers make a sacrifice, some more than others, but a military career is a service and sacrifice to one's Country in times of war and peace.

Also, Respect is given in return to Respect shown.


TD
 
Poppo said:
I totally agree!

Not everybody would call it a " terrorist war"....
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So Poppy, what would you call 'The Troubles' between 1969 and the signing of the Peace Agreement in the 1990's..? Seemed like a 'Terrorist War' to me at the time...and looking back.
Andy.
 
tdubel said:
I believe anyone who has served has earned the right to say "I was a real soldier" PERIOD. The military and related services are not just available for anyone and everyone and just to make it into one of them as a career takes a lot of guts and mental capacity, so I don't really agree with your pronouncement above that only combat, etc. All soldiers make a sacrifice, some more than others, but a military career is a service and sacrifice to one's Country in times of war and peace.

Also, Respect is given in return to Respect shown.


TD
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Try 40 years in the Medical profession friend.....service and sacrifice for our fellow man and yeah that takes guts and mental capacity....But at least nobody was shooting at me!!!!!!!!
 
Well, Couldn't we could call the upcoming "Saving Private Ryan" figures Omaha reinforcements.....D-Day Americans.

Wayne
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
Well, Couldn't we could call the upcoming "Saving Private Ryan" figures Omaha reinforcements.....D-Day Americans.

Wayne
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We could...but they are fantasy/film figures. And none of them have beach assault gear except for Assault vests. The 2nd rangers wouldn't have landed on Omaha without rubberised gas mask bags, brassard and lifebelts!

Thst being ssid they are bloody cool figures and I shall probably be buying regardless!

Scott
 
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This thread has taken a strange turn, but let us get back to the question of the thread.

I looked at your requested list and think it is a great wish list, I have put forward my own wish list forward more than once and our lists have one thing in common, it is what we collect! K & C is essentially a business, which have a customer base which collect a diverse, and different in many cases, elements of K & C product range. Therefore, if Andy concentrates on a single or very few eras he would be alienating a lot of his customers, plus I like the diverse and wide-ranging eras K & C cover, many I do not collect, but still find them interesting.

On the WW2 US D-Day/Normandy sets, I do collect, but they are not one of my main ranges, I have around 45 to 50 sets from the US DD range, but nothing from the last 3 years, as there are other ranges I prefer [and money/space is of course with all of us a restriction], such as Battle of the Ardennes, Field of Battle, Western European British, all the Brit and German WW2 planes, over 70 EA/AK sets, 140 German WW2 sets [WS/WSS/WHO]. That is just WW2, I have over 100 MK sets, 225 Nap sets, 40 TRW sets and 20 SP diorama building etc.

I did buy some of the T Gunn WW2 US Rangers, which do go very well with the K & C sets.

To support Andy, he really does listen, I can point to released sets and discussions between Andy and collectors at the London shows and before events drinks. He does not have the resources to produce what everyone wants, just think of the pressure people put on Andy by individual collectors to meet their own needs, give him a break. Andy, as an individual, has done more for the toy soldier industry in the last 25 years than anyone else. Increase in quality and ranges available to collectors in the last 10 years have been fantastic and without K & C pushing the boundaries we would not be living in what I think is a golden age for quality, ranges, eras, and wide range of manufacturers of Toy Soldiers.
 
arnhem44mad said:
We could...but they are fantasy/film figures. And none of them have beach assault gear except for Assault vests. The 2nd rangers wouldn't have landed on Omaha without rubberised gas mask bags, brassard and lifebelts!

Thst being ssid they are bloody cool figures and I shall probably be buying regardless!

Scott
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Scott,
Even though these figures are based upon a very popular movie they are quite realistic.....IMO.
Keep in mind many U.S. D-Day troops discarded lifebelts and gas mask bags soon after hitting the ground.

Wayne
 
What this thread needs is a voice of reason and here I am ..... but actually I am enjoying watching my 2 favourite treefroggers poke each other as it saves me a job . Talking of D-Day Andy is there any sign of additions to the Kellys Heroes range or is that another dead in the water range . Thankfully I have some Alamo bits being released by WB .
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
Scott,
Even though these figures are based upon a very popular movie they are quite realistic.....IMO.
Keep in mind many U.S. D-Day troops discarded lifebelts and gas mask bags soon after hitting the ground.

Wayne
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True but that's the whole point mate, my thread was about Beach reinforcements!:)

Scott
 
rekp said:
What this thread needs is a voice of reason and here I am ..... but actually I am enjoying watching my 2 favourite treefroggers poke each other as it saves me a job . Talking of D-Day Andy is there any sign of additions to the Kellys Heroes range or is that another dead in the water range . Thankfully I have some Alamo bits being released by WB .
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Nice to see you emerge from the shadows again,REKP...

For the record, The Kelly's Heroes figures and vehicles were never a 'range' or 'series' in themselves...They were an interesting and fun diversion within our general WW2 American and German mainstream series and as such they have completed what we set out to do. So, no more there.

Glad to hear you can get some new 'Alamo' bits'n'bobs from WB. I'm happy for you.
Andy.
 
I don't hide in shadows I am in view all the time you just need to know where to look .
 
rekp said:
What this thread needs is a voice of reason and here I am ..... but actually I am enjoying watching my 2 favourite treefroggers poke each other as it saves me a job . Talking of D-Day Andy is there any sign of additions to the Kellys Heroes range or is that another dead in the water range . Thankfully I have some Alamo bits being released by WB .
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For Some good reasoning, Can I recommend a chap named Mitch over on your side of the pond. :salute::
 
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