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King & Country

King & Country

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Hi Guys,

Just received a couple of paint samples of our British LCVP’s and thought I would share them with you.

As you can see I’ve displayed both landing craft with one of our older KnC ‘D.Day Shermans’, a bunch of beach obstacles and those initial paint masters of our upcoming new British Infantry going into action.

Also of interest is the fact that you can load some of our existing light British armoured vehicles.

All the best and happy collecting!
Andy

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Great potential to set up a D-Day action landing scene. Very cool. Robin.
 
Seeing all these magnificent men and machines I will be forced to go back to the beaches in Normandy and create a new diorama this time of the British landing sections
Guy:smile2:
 
I'm excited about the new figures with more coming. They look well done in the photos.

Joe
 
All looks great Andy. Looks like my WWII Brit collection will be expanding.
 
wwiibuff said:
All looks great Andy. Looks like my WWII Brit collection will be expanding.
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That's great news Duke...
I'll be eagerly looking forward to seeing what you do with them in your own inimitable style and story-telling!
All the best,
Andy.
 
Will be adding a few of these Brits myself. Outstanding detail and painting ! :salute::

Wayne
 
King & Country said:
Many thanks...praise indeed!
Andy.
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Hi Andy

I do like the figures, I will be buying the figures for one of my Normandy dioramas, as I am not convinced they represent the Sword Beach assault wave. The equipment, mainly the lack of it, they are [or are not] carrying does not reflect what they actually carried in the assault wave, for example not a single Tommy carries a shovel and no extra ammo which they were tasked with lumping ashore, this can be seen on a lot of the Tommie’s in the landing pictures and the descriptions of what they carried. I would like to know what the guy on the ramp is carrying? No Vickers MGs were with the assault troops and the Bren Gun mag cases were too big for a single man to carry.

The LC's are great, but they were not used in the assault wave on Sword Beach, it was the British LCA's designed by Ken Barnaby and made by J I Thonycroft Limited which carried in the 2nd East Yorkshire [Queen Red Beach] and the 1st South Lancs [Queen White Beach] into Sword Beach, they were also used [+DUKWs] to carry the Rangers into Pointe Du Hoc as well and they were used on Utah Beach. Later troop waves landed in LCIs
I would also question the RN uniforms; they wore Khaki or many wore foul weather gear.
What are the individual numbers on the LCs, which I cannot find, have not looked too deeply to be honest, Airfix did an LCA with a number of 1226. Will look to get one of the LCs to use with my US D Day troops.

Sword Beach is a particular passion of mine, I was due in 2020 to go over to Normandy for 6 to 7 months as a guide, but world events overtook that. I visit Normandy every year, only seven or so hours door to door for me and I am at an age where I do not have a bucket list but something that rhythms with ‘bucket’ list and thought why not go and live there for a bit. I was going to concentrate on Sword and Gold Beaches, plus outlaying actions. Had to get head into the books and because a bit obsessive.

I salute you for releasing some WW2 European British troops, you are the only TS manufacturer who has done so, to any amount. They are something that is sorely missed in our collections, we can get plenty of things in scuttle helmets or with a cross on them, but few British. I hope for more, if you are looking to release further versions, I would like to see the 1st Suffolk’s and the Green Howards, nice groups around Stan Hollis. Gilder and Para troops for Pegasus Bridge and the Merville Battery.
I know there is a lot of pressure from widely different people’s wants, on an even wider sphere of history, to release figures etc from different conflicts stretching over thousands of years, from Roman through Napoleonic to modern day conflicts. Must be a lot of balls to juggle, while being heckled from the side lines.

Cheers.
 

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Walsingham said:
Hi Andy

I do like the figures, I will be buying the figures for one of my Normandy dioramas, as I am not convinced they represent the Sword Beach assault wave. The equipment, mainly the lack of it, they are [or are not] carrying does not reflect what they actually carried in the assault wave, for example not a single Tommy carries a shovel and no extra ammo which they were tasked with lumping ashore, this can be seen on a lot of the Tommie’s in the landing pictures and the descriptions of what they carried. I would like to know what the guy on the ramp is carrying? No Vickers MGs were with the assault troops and the Bren Gun mag cases were too big for a single man to carry.

The LC's are great, but they were not used in the assault wave on Sword Beach, it was the British LCA's designed by Ken Barnaby and made by J I Thonycroft Limited which carried in the 2nd East Yorkshire [Queen Red Beach] and the 1st South Lancs [Queen White Beach] into Sword Beach, they were also used [+DUKWs] to carry the Rangers into Pointe Du Hoc as well and they were used on Utah Beach. Later troop waves landed in LCIs
I would also question the RN uniforms; they wore Khaki or many wore foul weather gear.
What are the individual numbers on the LCs, which I cannot find, have not looked too deeply to be honest, Airfix did an LCA with a number of 1226. Will look to get one of the LCs to use with my US D Day troops.

Sword Beach is a particular passion of mine, I was due in 2020 to go over to Normandy for 6 to 7 months as a guide, but world events overtook that. I visit Normandy every year, only seven or so hours door to door for me and I am at an age where I do not have a bucket list but something that rhythms with ‘bucket’ list and thought why not go and live there for a bit. I was going to concentrate on Sword and Gold Beaches, plus outlaying actions. Had to get head into the books and because a bit obsessive.

I salute you for releasing some WW2 European British troops, you are the only TS manufacturer who has done so, to any amount. They are something that is sorely missed in our collections, we can get plenty of things in scuttle helmets or with a cross on them, but few British. I hope for more, if you are looking to release further versions, I would like to see the 1st Suffolk’s and the Green Howards, nice groups around Stan Hollis. Gilder and Para troops for Pegasus Bridge and the Merville Battery.
I know there is a lot of pressure from widely different people’s wants, on an even wider sphere of history, to release figures etc from different conflicts stretching over thousands of years, from Roman through Napoleonic to modern day conflicts. Must be a lot of balls to juggle, while being heckled from the side lines.

Cheers.
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Hi mate. I must admit that I too struggled to find some LCVPs in British use on Dday.

I also had the same thoughts about the ammo box, or perhaps the box could be made into a wooden .303 one rather than OD 50. Cal or .30 cal box.

And the uniform question I also agree on. The uniforms aren't correct for the LCA crew hey should have their oil skins on!

Scott
 
I' m also a "rivet counter" but some way i think that many of us haven't understood this hobby ...do not want to quarrel, i'm just speculating what is the "forma mentis" of a producer in realizing its figures. I don't collect to make dioramas, or massed battles, but many do. So i presume the main aim of a producer is to produce (sorry for the repetition)figures that stand well together with other figures previously released. So as not being out of place with the previous release in a diorama or massed battle . I 'd want figures one different from another, 3rd division , 50th, 15th Scottish etc. But i see that Andy release always the 3rd. Because he has previously released the 3rd div. figures! And so on with the equipment, why doing equipment for the landing if you can have figures that go well with every other moment of the Normandy campaign? Is this the way of thinking i'd use if i were a TS producer. Even if i'd love to have every Brit Division represented in Toy Soldier form!!!
 
arnhem44mad said:
Hi mate. I must admit that I too struggled to find some LCVPs in British use on Dday.

I also had the same thoughts about the ammo box, or perhaps the box could be made into a wooden .303 one rather than OD 50. Cal or .30 cal box.

And the uniform question I also agree on. The uniforms aren't correct for the LCA crew hey should have their oil skins on!

Scott
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Cheers, the ammo box you are thinking it might be, wrong shape and they were not used by front line units in combat, they were more for resupply, certainly not in the assault wave.

'Oil skins', thanks for that, i was racking my brain and could not think of that term.

I want to stress i will buy, but not for D Day beach scene, they are good figures, in the same way as i bought the K & C Elefant, which was in the battle of the BUlge range but not anywhere near the Ardennes in 1944/45, but love it, use it on my Russian small dio, as i am waiting for the right German releases to use it in an Italian front context.
 
cantinetozzo said:
I' m also a "rivet counter" but some way i think that many of us haven't understood this hobby ...do not want to quarrel, i'm just speculating what is the "forma mentis" of a producer in realizing its figures. I don't collect to make dioramas, or massed battles, but many do. So i presume the main aim of a producer is to produce (sorry for the repetition)figures that stand well together with other figures previously released. So as not being out of place with the previous release in a diorama or massed battle . I 'd want figures one different from another, 3rd division , 50th, 15th Scottish etc. But i see that Andy release always the 3rd. Because he has previously released the 3rd div. figures! And so on with the equipment, why doing equipment for the landing if you can have figures that go well with every other moment of the Normandy campaign? Is this the way of thinking i'd use if i were a TS producer. Even if i'd love to have every Brit Division represented in Toy Soldier form!!!
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Hi

I have been called a rivet counter, but i come from a plastic modeller background and those guys are whacko when it comes to detail. The TS market is nowhere near as 'bad' shall we say. There are different levels when it comes to 'rivet counters' and my fellow TS collector friends have varying views, but one guy said in relatively modern military history it is either wrong or right, there is enough information out there, be it books, internet forums or geeks to explain, there is enough information out there to get it right. Going back to Saxons, Vikings and further back to Roman it more difficult, but WW2, WW1 and Napoleonic it is easier. All of us are at varying levels are rivet counters, i remember a guy who collected Napoleonics, who we get a brew with at the London show, said rivet counting was all c**p and he was not bothered, until he was asked if he would would be happy to say buy a Waterloo 95th Rifles* figure armed with bren gun in the La Haye sandpit? He said ofcourse not, as it is not right. Which means as i have said, somethings are either right or wrong, which i felt with these sets were not correct and wanted clarification. Yet i will buy the figures for Normandy dios, just not the beach. As there will be different bases representing the beach and the Normandy field etc.

* By the way really looking forward to the new Sharpe novel later this year.
 
Walsingham said:
Hi

I have been called a rivet counter, but i come from a plastic modeller background and those guys are whacko when it comes to detail. The TS market is nowhere near as 'bad' shall we say. There are different levels when it comes to 'rivet counters' and my fellow TS collector friends have varying views, but one guy said in relatively modern military history it is either wrong or right, there is enough information out there, be it books, internet forums or geeks to explain, there is enough information out there to get it right. Going back to Saxons, Vikings and further back to Roman it more difficult, but WW2, WW1 and Napoleonic it is easier. All of us are at varying levels are rivet counters, i remember a guy who collected Napoleonics, who we get a brew with at the London show, said rivet counting was all c**p and he was not bothered, until he was asked if he would would be happy to say buy a Waterloo 95th Rifles* figure armed with bren gun in the La Haye sandpit? He said ofcourse not, as it is not right. Which means as i have said, somethings are either right or wrong, which i felt with these sets were not correct and wanted clarification. Yet i will buy the figures for Normandy dios, just not the beach. As there will be different bases representing the beach and the Normandy field etc.


Generally speaking, my displays are my displays NOT museum exhibits...they are toy soldiers, meant to be enjoyed and played with by collectors.

These photos are also to give the majority of collectors an opportunity to see what’s ‘in the works’ and provide only a suggestion of how different items might work with each other in a display setting.

Every collector can then adopt and adapt these same figures, vehicles and landing craft to suit their own personal preferences and historical timeline and place.

All the best and happy collecting,
Andy.
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