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[Louis Badolato]

I love these figures, but don't collect them because French and Indian War doesn't interest me. If, as someone suggested, he did Culloden (Jacobite Scots versus British) I would be all in.

 

[kogu]

A lot of very good ideas here.
My first intention was to stick with the 7-years war idea, but Conquistadores and Aztecs or the Jacobite Rebellion would be great too.
I do believe that we all come out the best when we let JJ pick his future subjects. As Big Miller Bro. said, the figures he is releasing currently are exceptional good because they are made out of a passion and an artist needs to be free to be best at his work.
Happy Collecting!
Konrad

 

[Oldboy]

I'd like to see Mr. Jenkins stay with the 18th century, he's got a great eye for that period. Like others have already said, there are many other battles of the F&I War still to do, And the Seven Years War is practically untouched by other makers. For something other than that I'd like see him do the Jacobite Rebelion and Battle of Culloden.

Very interesting,but I have one more witness to call M'luds...

 

[Oldboy]

I love these figures, but don't collect them because French and Indian War doesn't interest me. If, as someone suggested, he did Culloden (Jacobite Scots versus British) I would be all in.

AHA ! Prescience ? Conspiracy ? Political Intrigue ?.....BLACK ARTS ...? Extraterrestrial Beings Intending to absorb toy soldier makers until nothing BUT Jacobites are available ?-FEAR NOT ! I,Sir Digby Chicken Caesar accompanied by my good friend(and alternate personality) Sir "Uppy" Treacle Lord Hammercy ,will not rest...

 

[OzDigger]

I don't know much about these early wars but I watched the 'Culloden' episode of 'Battlefield Britain' recently and was interested to note that Four of the 16 British units at the battle were actually Scottish. Therefore it was essentially Catholic French backed Highlanders Versus Protestant British/Lowland Scots.

Btw, the kilt was traditionally worn by Highlanders only. Lately every Celtic based culture such as Irish, Cornish and of course Lowland Scots seem to want to strap on a kilt. No doubt part of a globalization conspiracy, or aliens

 

[Oldboy]

I don't know much about Aussies...but I watched "Undead" lately... ...oh ,yes..."essentially" NO..... Dragoon & Louis Badolato's quoted posts are dated 05-25-'07! THAT is what I'm on about-Best Regards,Sir Digby

 

[theBaron]

I don't know much about these early wars but I watched the 'Culloden' episode of 'Battlefield Britain' recently and was interested to note that Four of the 16 British units at the battle were actually Scottish. Therefore it was essentially Catholic French backed Highlanders Versus Protestant British/Lowland Scots.

Very true, and it's not too well-known, outside of those professional and amateur historians, such as we, who have delved a little deeper into British history.

Btw, the kilt was traditionally worn by Highlanders only. Lately every Celtic based culture such as Irish, Cornish and of course Lowland Scots seem to want to strap on a kilt. No doubt part of a globalization conspiracy, or aliens

I don't know about the other Celts, but actually, Irish nationalists adopted the kilt at the end of the nineteenth century, to identify with the broader Celtic nationalism, as opposed to "British"-ness, which they felt was being imposed on them, and into which they were being subsumed. It was carried here by Irish immigrants at the time, and has been passed down through Irish cultural associations, and even some professional organizations, as ceremonial dress (eg, fire and police departments, recruited heavily among Irish immigrants, that have bands today wearing Irish kilts).

But we see the same kind of levelling or blending of "Celtic" customs and heritage here in the States, too, with "Celtic" festivals held, usually including field games, which are supposed to be derived from Highland games. To me, it's more pseudo-history than heritage. Everyone thinks of the phony barbarian chic of Mel Gibson as William Wallace in "Braveheart", or those clips the History Channel shows of Boudicca, those are practically rock videos, not re-enactments.

Prost!
Brad

 

[OzDigger]

Brad, that raises some interesting points. I have read that the prefix Mc and Mac are both Scottish in origin whereas most people think of Mc as being Irish only. I guess folk from the Highlands moved to Ireland and took their names, kilts and their culture with them and blended in with the locals over time.

I can understand the need of a symbol such as the kilt back then to combine groups of people that feel they are being oppressed. However these days I'm not sure that looking back too far or too often is the best way for progress in a multicultural environment. Terms such as African-American, Irish-American etc seem unusual to most people downunder as we just think of ourselves as being Australians.

 

[Oldboy]

Very true, and it's not too well-known, outside of those professional and amateur historians, such as we, who have delved a little deeper into British history.No,it isn'tyes it is too well "known",as a misconception,this dualistic view is regretably prevalent,and,respectfully,whatever quality of historian it pleases you to style yourself,supporting this assertion indicates to me that whatever it was that you and such "delved" a little deeper,it was not,in fact Scottish history

 

[marco55]

I'm no expert but I read that an Irish tribe called Scotti emigrated to what now is Scotland.Many different ethnic groups fused together to become the Scottish people.
Mark

 

[OzDigger]

Hoots mon where's ya roots The way my Norsemen ancestors and other conquerer types got around back then I suspect the genes were pretty much mixed up over time

 

[Oldboy]

it was essentially Catholic French backed Highlanders Versus Protestant British/Lowland Scots.

Btw, the kilt was traditionally worn by Highlanders only.

Culloden Moor 1746(Stuart Reid for Osprey Praeger),page 20,paragraphs 1 & 2 clearly corrects both of these statements.I should be VERY interested to learn of a single verifiable objective scholarly source to the contrary.ob(aka Sir Digby)

 

[OzDigger]

Culloden Moor 1746(Stuart Reid for Osprey Praeger),page 20,paragraphs 1 & 2 clearly corrects both of these statements.I should be VERY interested to learn of a single verifiable objective scholarly source to the contrary.ob(aka Sir Digby)

I don't have that booklet and would appreciate you reproducing said paragraphs here for our edification on this subject.

 

[Oldboy]

I don't have that booklet and would appreciate you reproducing said paragraphs here for our edification on this subject.

OK,and I quote..."The rebel army liked to call itself the 'Highland' Army and it is not difficult to understand why.At the most obvious level instructions such as those issued by Lord Lewis Gordon that all his men 'are to be well cloathed,with short cloathes, plaid ,new shoes and three pair of hose and accoutered with shoulder ball gun, pistolls and sword' ensured that the army had a readily identifiable uniform.Although some difficulties were encountered in finding sufficient tartan jackets,plaids and hose for all of the Lowland recruits,this was a much more practical expedient than trying to have more conventional uniforms made up.Rather more importantly however it also enabled the Jacobites to capitalise on their best military asset:the fearsome reputation of the Highland clansman. (paragraph 2)By laying stress on the claim that they were a Highland Army they not only boosted their own morale by asserting that they were all members of a military elite,rather than just a very ordinary collection of half-trained insurgents-they also hoped with some success to convince their opponents of the same thing." end of quote with Thanks to Stuart Reid,Culloden Moor 1746,Osprey Praeger

 

[OzDigger]

OK,and I quote..."The rebel army liked to call itself the 'Highland' Army and it is not difficult to understand why.At the most obvious level instructions such as those issued by Lord Lewis Gordon that all his men 'are to be well cloathed,with short cloathes, plaid ,new shoes and three pair of hose and accoutered with shoulder ball gun, pistolls and sword' ensured that the army had a readily identifiable uniform.Although some difficulties were encountered in finding sufficient tartan jackets,plaids and hose for all of the Lowland recruits,this was a much more practical expedient than trying to have more conventional uniforms made up.Rather more importantly however it also enabled the Jacobites to capitalise on their best military asset:the fearsome reputation of the Highland clansman. (paragraph 2)By laying stress on the claim that they were a Highland Army they not only boosted their own morale by asserting that they were all members of a military elite,rather than just a very ordinary collection of half-trained insurgents-they also hoped with some success to convince their opponents of the same thing." end of quote with Thanks to Stuart Reid,Culloden Moor 1746,Osprey Praeger

Were these Lowlanders Presbyterian or Catholic? A confronting question perhaps, but it does challenge those that considered the Jacobite battles as a war of independence. It's a confusing issue applying modern day thinking to what was a largely an argument by two families that lay claim to a thrown for their own financial gain.

 

[Oldboy]

Were these Lowlanders Presbyterian or Catholic? A confronting question perhaps, but it does challenge those that considered the Jacobite battles as a war of independence. It's a confusing issue applying modern day thinking to what was a largely an argument by two families that lay claim to a thrown for their own financial gain.

Consulting the index in Culloden Moor 1746...there are no offerings under "Presbyterian" nor "Catholic" -I believe the answer though would rightly be both.While it cannot be said not to be a factor among many,it can safely be said not to be THE factor.Several decades of enthusiastic reading have left me with the impression that neither "religious war" nor "war of independence" would truthfully encapsulate nor characterise this conflict.I would suggest that insofar as possible "modern thinking" is best forgotten-indeed that is part of it's allure,the war between world views.ob

 

[OzDigger]

Consulting the index in Culloden Moor 1746...there are no offerings under "Presbyterian" nor "Catholic" -I believe the answer though would rightly be both.While it cannot be said not to be a factor among many,it can safely be said not to be THE factor.Several decades of enthusiastic reading have left me with the impression that neither "religious war" nor "war of independence" would truthfully encapsulate nor characterise this conflict.I would suggest that insofar as possible "modern thinking" is best forgotten-indeed that is part of it's allure,the war between world views.ob

Yes, from my very limited reading on the subject it seemed to me purely an argument over the thrown with the majority of the population not being to concerned with who gained power as long as they themselves were not disadvantaged by the outcome.

A case where the British won a war but lost the peace when they used over brutal tactics to subsequently suppress Jacobite supporters.

 

[Oldboy]

Yes, from my very limited reading on the subject it seemed to me purely an argument over the thrown with the majority of the population not being to concerned with who gained power as long as they themselves were not disadvantaged by the outcome.

A case where the British won a war but lost the peace when they used over brutal tactics to subsequently suppress Jacobite supporters.

Nothing here I can disagree with Somehow ,though ,you've reminded me of The Young Montrose & Montrose:The Captain General by Nigel Tranter (Thanks again ,Heid)that I finished(in tears) last week,with Montrose patiently over and over(including to Charles 1) explaining how Scotland without an Ard Righ (High King) over all the little kings;Marquis,Earls,Barons et.al. was lost.The High King of Scots was an essential element of the Clan Society,had been for well over a millenia,and the want of an Ard Righ may be said to have been the beginning of the unravelling of Gaelic Scotland.ob

 

[OzDigger]

Nothing here I can disagree with Somehow ,though ,you've reminded me of The Young Montrose & Montrose:The Captain General by Nigel Tranter (Thanks again ,Heid)that I finished(in tears) last week,with Montrose patiently over and over(including to Charles 1) explaining how Scotland without an Ard Righ (High King) over all the little kings;Marquis,Earls,Barons et.al. was lost.The High King of Scots was an essential element of the Clan Society,had been for well over a millenia,and the want of an Ard Righ may be said to have been the beginning of the unravelling of Gaelic Scotland.ob

Well Oldboy, as they say, if there's one thing you can't stop it's progress. Sometimes you have to lose something to gain something and I doubt that there would be so many people of Scottish (Irish and Welsh) origin scattered around the globe if Scotland etc had not become a part of the British Empire. Not that the scattering was all out of good will, but things didn't turn out too bad.

 

[Oldboy]

Thanks Ozdigger-I feel like I've been patted on the back and handed a hanky Now as for turning out so bad...that recalls another book to mind "No Great Mischief" by Alistair Macleod...if it weren't for the tiny battle of the snow shoes diorama I've stationed in front of my copy on the bookshelf..3 Tommy Atkins Rogers' Rangers vs. 1 Frenchman & a Mignot flat Winter Fir...Excellent book though. ob