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[katana]

I have been reffering to one of your favorite authors books. Germanys Panther Tank by T.L.Jentz
Shiffer Military History series 1995 edition; an excellent book with superb 1/32 scale drawings by my favorite author as regards the Panther Panzer, Hilary Doyle. Please refer to the side elevation drawing of the Panther G on page 85. The Panther G turret cupola hatch is at the same level or slightly higher than the MG Ring. Most measurements of height stipulate to over the cupola; which includes the hatch.

The side elevation also shows the hull lifting lugs at the rear extend at least half the depth of the storage boxes. Do you consider the lifting lugs integral to the hull?

The average of three dimension is an approximation like Pi; not an absolute number.

The 1/29 scale Figarti Panther G is 4.375" wide the 1/30 scale King Tiger is 4.7" wide. The Panther G is 3.9" high and the King Tiger is 4.0" high. The 1/30 King Tiger is larger in width and height than the 1/29 Panther G and refutes your observation of the opposite. The actual King Tiger hull width is 15 " wider than the Panther G. The actual King Tiger hull width is144". The actual Panther G hull width is 129". The heights are very similar and vary with load. Actual King Tiger height 121". Actual Panther G height 118".

The hull length of the actual Panther G is 273". The hull length of the actual King Tiger is 252". The actual Panther G is 21 inches longer than the King Tiger; so of coarse the 1/29 scale Panther G would be longer than the 1/30 scale King Tiger, even if they were the same scale! Another claim is refuted.

I am glad you are happy with your 1/29 scale Figarti Panther G. I am very happy with my 1/30 scale 21st Century King Tiger. I have both the Figarti and Honor Bound Panthers and I like them both and I would buy them both again. Neither is perfect but both are excellent models in comparison to the K&C and TCS models. I know the TCS is over scale, is the K&C too?

Slange Va

Katana,

Wow, again with the condescension! Funny, since again your position that the average of the scale of the three dimensions gives an accurate overall scale is asinine.

You truly do not see a problem with your method above? Well, I will point it out to you. The answer you derive is meaningless.

For example, if the scales you got were 26.3, 27.2, and 33.4, you'd get the same answer. 26.3 + 27.2 +33.4 = 86.9, 86.9/3 = 28.97 or 1/29 scale. So to you I suppose a model that was 1/26 in one dimension, 1/27 in another dimension, and 1/33 in the third dimension is a perfectly scaled 1/30 model!

This is what I am talking about, you pretend to be some sort of scale and mathematical expert but you don't see simple logical errors with your line of reasoning.

This carries over to my next point where you point out my "errors" below. My responses are in bold.






So you agree with the majority of my measurements. The length ones your disagree with are because you don't know what measuring points you should be using on the tank.

So we have a Figarti Panther that is 1/30 scale in overall length, width, firing height, hull length, deck height, ground clearance, and track width. It's height is arguably between 1/29.3 and 1/30 (in actuality, I suspect any error is confined to the cupola itself, and not the turret height).

I'd call that a decently accurate 1/30 scale model!!!


As for your posting pictures of tanks/figures and historical photos, I could care less. I'll stick to taking measurements of the tanks themselves since these figures are absolute. And I am highly suspicious of your measurements of the King TIger, since I suspect your made the same mistakes in measuring that you did on the Panther. Also, the 21st Century King Tiger is obviously smaller in height, width, and length than the 1/30 Figarti Panther, so it's pretty obvious it's not a 1/30 model.

I await your next enlightening revelation regarding scale.

Cheers.

 

[Baymax]

Let us just say that the Figarti Panther G is 1/29 scale I think you actually raised that scale slightly so, in reality it is near to 1/30th are you conceding that there is any difference in the minutia of that to say its to far away to be 1/30th scale?

I do not agree that the panther is anything other than 1/30th scale and, I re-measured mine along with the First legion tanks I have and they are not 1/31st scale. The Sherman is the only one that is slightly under 1/30th scale and that is by so little, the measurement is really pointless to acknowledge. it would be criminal to try and round it up and say that its actually 1/29th scale

 

[katana]

Baymax; you did not answer my question about the 21st Century King Tiger and which figure most accuratly emulates the WW II photograph. Why won't you answer this simple question?

The Figart Panther G is 1/29 scale. Hull length 1/28.7, Hull width 1/29.4. Actual hull length 273" .Model hull Length 9.5". 273/9.5=28.73. Actual width129". Model hull width 4.375". 129/4.375=29.48. No rounding or averaging and scales carried to 2 decimal points! Please provide your measurments to support you argument.

You claim the First Legion Panzer IV is not 1/31 scale; but you do not provide the dimensions of yours that I requested. You do not support your argument with data. You do not answer questions. I asked if your First Legion Panzer IV was the short or long barrel version to assure we were measureing the same Panzer IV iteration in the interests of accuracy. You have not replied; this is not a dialog. It is a monolog of opinion unsupported by data or responses to reasonable questions.