Pranked royal nurse dies (3 Viewers)

Rob

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I can't really believe this. Everyone one I've spoken to thought this a very funny prank and the two accents although by their own admission ' terrible' were very funny. Even Prince Charles was laughing about it yesterday! This is so tragic as this lady has two children, I can only think maybe something else has been going on because if she really did take her life over this its a terrible shame. I also think the two DJ's should not be burdened with guilt over this, it was just a prank that dj's the world over play every day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20645838
 
Agree with everything you say (and Brad on the other thread). Very sad.
 
It's just terrible, particularly her having children. As I noted on the other thread the DJs known this would have happened they never would have done it. I have to think that maybe she was getting some abuse and ridicule, perhaps from co-workers or the public or something because it just defies sense to take your life because of that. We all make mistakes in our life, some bad, some a little serious, but none that would force you to take a long range or permanent solution to a short term problem.

My condolences to her family.
 
It's just terrible, particularly her having children. As I noted on the other thread the DJs known this would have happened they never would have done it. I have to think that maybe she was getting some abuse and ridicule, perhaps from co-workers or the public or something because it just defies sense to take your life because of that. We all make mistakes in our life, some bad, some a little serious, but none that would force you to take a long range or permanent solution to a short term problem.

My condolences to her family.

Good points Brad, we were just wondering whether she'd had a lot of media attention or something like that. Very very sad. And if she thought she'd upset anyone then that is even worse because she really didn't . Even the Queen has a sense of humour, just look at her Olympic appearance . I just feel so sorry for her husband and kids, this was just not worth her life. I understand the two DJ's are off the air for a while and are themselves very shocked.

All this, over a JOKE!:(

Rob
 
I absolutely disagree with everything above said. In my view this DJ thing was just a stupid sick joke, out of their depth really, enough to put someone else's job on the line and not just job but life after all. It was a matter of privacy and it looks like the people involved didn't feel it was a joke at all. To me a typical case of weird Anglo-Saxon humor gone wrong.
I wonder if people still feel like laughing about this one now...

Paulo
 
I hate prank calls - always have. I can only imagine the ridicule this poor woman was subjected to. My favourite radio show on the MMM network (Merrick and the Highway Patrol) has recently been doing a lot of them. Previously I'd thought it a clever show that really made me laugh but everytime they tried a prank I'd switch off. Maybe after this tradgedy this lame sort of 'entertainment' will be consigned to the bin where it belongs.
 
Some of the biggest companies in Australia are pulling advertising from this station. With a bit of time to reflect, clearly these two did not inflict the nurse's death but they did cause it. But so too did everyone in the planning meeting who contributed to the original idea and anyone in authority who signed off on it. Also, any section of the media that ran the story - most TV stations here for starters - contributing to its infamy. It seems to me likely that the nurse, ridicule aside, was probably in trouble with her boss. This hospital probably catered to many of the rich and famous, most of whom will take their business elsewhere following the security lapse. ''All are punish-ed!" (R & J)
 
Agree with the comments by Rob and Brad.

I think the DJ's here were surprised they were believed when they called up.

However it did attract massive publicity worldwide. I heard it being mentioned on the US Top 40 radio show where Ryan Seacrest was making fun of it (but not really the Nurse).

As far as radio pranks go this was quite tame. However as Larso said the Hospital was probably not happy with
their staff in view of impact on its reputation.

Very sad she should take it so far. As Larso said the Radio station is feeling the heat with a major supermarket chain
pulling its advertising (I am pretty sure the radio station has made far worse calls but none with this kind of result).

Brett
 
I absolutely disagree with everything above said. In my view this DJ thing was just a stupid sick joke, out of their depth really, enough to put someone else's job on the line and not just job but life after all. It was a matter of privacy and it looks like the people involved didn't feel it was a joke at all. To me a typical case of weird Anglo-Saxon humor gone wrong.
I wonder if people still feel like laughing about this one now...

Paulo

Paulo,

I totally understand your point of view of course. What is strange about all this is that the poor lady had not been reprimanded or disciplined in any way at all and was being fully supported by the hospital, this makes it hard to fathom, but of course pranks can be dangerous and on one can legislate for how someone may react. You are also of course right in that no one is laughing now, the whole thing is desperately sad.

Rob
 
Rob

I am not sure what happened .. but most Legal and/HR Depts would advise having made statements of support after the fact. Sad chain of events ....

OD
 
An opinion piece by Peter Fitzsimons (former Wallaby forward) in todays Sydney Morning Herald. I dont agree with a lot of what he writes but he makes a good point here :


"It is a tragedy of unspeakable proportions that a nurse who put the prank call through to Princess Kate's ward should have taken her life. Just as it is an enormous tragedy when anyone, particularly a young person, takes their life.

But to all those - particularly the British media - who are firing vicious epithets at the two radio DJs who are the public face of that prank call, blaming them for the tragedy, please get a grip.

What, precisely, are they guilty of?

Making a prank call? Which DJ in the history of the world hasn't made prank calls? It is part of the genre, a practice beloved through the generations and around the world, including all over Britain.

Was there malice in this call, then? Please point it out. Please show us a shred of evidence that anywhere in the process of putting the call through, there might have been a mite of malice that it would genuinely hurt someone?

Perhaps then, they were guilty of criminal negligence, or even mere negligence.

Really? The test of negligence, as I remember from my garden-variety legal studies, was whether or not a ''reasonable man'' might have had any expectation that their actions would have resulted in the kind of tragedy we have seen.

I invite you to be the judge. Who could possibly have thought that a silly prank call like that - one of thousands of prank calls, no doubt, made by radio stations around the world on that day - would have led to the young woman taking her life? Can anyone point to a precedent where such an innocent call has resulted in such shocking consequences? I can't.

And for those who still make the case that the radio pair are guilty of a terrible crime, I point to the cheery reaction of Prince Charles himself, shortly after he was apprised of the call. Did he not, quite appropriately, have a little fun with it, on Thursday, when he asked the waiting media: ''How do you know I'm not a radio station?'' Mirth all around, led by the journalists.

For Charles appreciated the bleeding obvious. The call was simply irreverent. Not malicious. Not negligent. And certainly not criminally negligent.

While most of the rest of the media was outdoing itself with gushing about the impending royal birth, this radio station was simply, to use the colloquial expression, ''taking the piss''. That is part of the defining characteristics of successful radio DJs, and it certainly defines huge swathes of the Australian population when it comes to how to deal with English aristocracy.

I repeat: it is a shocking tragedy this young woman has taken her life. But is the real culprit a couple of DJs making a prank call?

Or does the fault lie somewhere in an English culture of such overblown hyperbole when it comes to anything to do with the royals that a young nurse could really think her life was no longer worth living because she had put a call through to a royal ward? You must know the answer.

I rest my case, while still offering my deepest sympathies to the family of the woman.

End.

Until the unfortunate death I am guessing most DJ's would have been jealous of the success of this prank and for a short period the two DJ's
were enjoying the fame it had brought them (even tweeting that Conan O'Brian had mentioned them). I had never heard of them before this incident.

Whilst not trying to lessen the tragedy those same DJ's who were probably jealous are now probably thankful it was not them who made the call.
It is the type of prank those such as Hamish and Andy (well known radio pranksters here) play all the time.

The radio station has cancelled all advertising for a while.

As Fitzsimons says the reaction was not predictable but I am guessing DJ's and their producers are going to be more careful, for a short while.

Brett
 
An opinion piece by Peter Fitzsimons (former Wallaby forward) in todays Sydney Morning Herald. I dont agree with a lot of what he writes but he makes a good point here :


"It is a tragedy of unspeakable proportions that a nurse who put the prank call through to Princess Kate's ward should have taken her life. Just as it is an enormous tragedy when anyone, particularly a young person, takes their life.

But to all those - particularly the British media - who are firing vicious epithets at the two radio DJs who are the public face of that prank call, blaming them for the tragedy, please get a grip.

What, precisely, are they guilty of?

Making a prank call? Which DJ in the history of the world hasn't made prank calls? It is part of the genre, a practice beloved through the generations and around the world, including all over Britain.

Was there malice in this call, then? Please point it out. Please show us a shred of evidence that anywhere in the process of putting the call through, there might have been a mite of malice that it would genuinely hurt someone?

Perhaps then, they were guilty of criminal negligence, or even mere negligence.

Really? The test of negligence, as I remember from my garden-variety legal studies, was whether or not a ''reasonable man'' might have had any expectation that their actions would have resulted in the kind of tragedy we have seen.

I invite you to be the judge. Who could possibly have thought that a silly prank call like that - one of thousands of prank calls, no doubt, made by radio stations around the world on that day - would have led to the young woman taking her life? Can anyone point to a precedent where such an innocent call has resulted in such shocking consequences? I can't.

And for those who still make the case that the radio pair are guilty of a terrible crime, I point to the cheery reaction of Prince Charles himself, shortly after he was apprised of the call. Did he not, quite appropriately, have a little fun with it, on Thursday, when he asked the waiting media: ''How do you know I'm not a radio station?'' Mirth all around, led by the journalists.

For Charles appreciated the bleeding obvious. The call was simply irreverent. Not malicious. Not negligent. And certainly not criminally negligent.

While most of the rest of the media was outdoing itself with gushing about the impending royal birth, this radio station was simply, to use the colloquial expression, ''taking the piss''. That is part of the defining characteristics of successful radio DJs, and it certainly defines huge swathes of the Australian population when it comes to how to deal with English aristocracy.

I repeat: it is a shocking tragedy this young woman has taken her life. But is the real culprit a couple of DJs making a prank call?

Or does the fault lie somewhere in an English culture of such overblown hyperbole when it comes to anything to do with the royals that a young nurse could really think her life was no longer worth living because she had put a call through to a royal ward? You must know the answer.

I rest my case, while still offering my deepest sympathies to the family of the woman.

End.

Until the unfortunate death I am guessing most DJ's would have been jealous of the success of this prank and for a short period the two DJ's
were enjoying the fame it had brought them (even tweeting that Conan O'Brian had mentioned them). I had never heard of them before this incident.

Whilst not trying to lessen the tragedy those same DJ's who were probably jealous are now probably thankful it was not them who made the call.
It is the type of prank those such as Hamish and Andy (well known radio pranksters here) play all the time.

The radio station has cancelled all advertising for a while.

As Fitzsimons says the reaction was not predictable but I am guessing DJ's and their producers are going to be more careful, for a short while.

Brett

Mixed feeling here Brett, I think that highlighted quote is really grasping at straws and pretty pathetic to be honest. If the papers and the people of this country do want to celebrate the Royals that is absolutely their right and nothing to do with anyone else to be honest, nobody in Australia is forced to watch or read about them if they don't like it. One mans meat is anothers poison as they say.

On the other hand I certainly do not want to hear any lessons on morality from our press. We are talking about an industry which produced the people that hacked into murdered teenager Milly Dowler's phone and removed messages from it and therefore gave hope to her grief stricken parents, so its stomach turning if there are sermons of morality coming from them.

I say again, this is a terrible tragedy, this poor woman has lost her life over this but I do not think we've heard all the facts.Those two DJ's did not get up that day and decide to drive someone to suicide, we can indeed argue about whether it was funny, clever, archaic or childish, but it was intended as humour with no malice, and even if it was anti royal that's still not the same as wanting to kill someone.

Cheers

Rob
 
Rob,
Of all the points in his article you picked up on that one{sm4}. The journo is a well known republican who wants to change the Aussie flag (you know the British flag at night one {sm4}). As I said I dont agree with many of his views although he does have a good taste in partners (Beauty and the Beast couple).

I would not classify the prank as anti-royal. If it had not been the Aussie DJ's it could have been any DJ worldwide for that particular type of radio station fighting for the youth market. The male DJ was on his third day of the job and obviously eager to build a reputation. Lets not forget there would have been producers involved.

I do not have all the facts so merely my opinion coming here. The initial reaction worldwide was one of humour although some considered it disrespectful to the Royal Family (although Charles seemed to think it was funny). However I am pretty sure the ones who did not appreciate the prank would have been the hospital hierarchy. If I was the employee it would be their view I would be concerned about and I suspect they were not pleased at how it made the hospital look. What they said and any action taken towards her would be a possible consideration as to her thinking. The news I heard did not really seem to be making fun of the nurse but more the prank itself. However it probably did not help that it was such a major worldwide news story playing on many TV and radio shows.

Anyway, sad for all concerned.

Brett
 
I don't think this was anti royal in the slightest and, the sentiments that are being displayed are somewhat over the top. Charles and a few Royals made light of this. In fact everything about this is from the actual prank to the reaction of the nurse in question now. I have read the calls for criminal and civil law to be laid at these pranksters door from negligence to manslaughter but, really cannot see how the causal link goes from their call to her death and, not just on one call?

I think also when people are calling the morality of the press and similar they need to address that the manner in which they (the press) act, have acted and still do, mirrors a large (and to my mind) sad section of the public who really thrive on knowing the most intimate details of these alleged stars and personalities lives. If this moral majority were not buying the tripe that is printed in written and photographic format then the way they act to get such stories would also end.

Its always the same when these things happen everyone becomes holier than though and washes their hands of their own culpability. but, they will still be buying the papers etc listening to comic DJ's tomorrow to see who else gets ''fitted up'' or, who is doing what to whom or, whose had the boob job and all the other stuff sad sacks just cannot seem to live without.
Mitch
 
Rob,
Of all the points in his article you picked up on that one{sm4}. The journo is a well known republican who wants to change the Aussie flag (you know the British flag at night one {sm4}). As I said I dont agree with many of his views although he does have a good taste in partners (Beauty and the Beast couple).

I would not classify the prank as anti-royal. If it had not been the Aussie DJ's it could have been any DJ worldwide for that particular type of radio station fighting for the youth market. The male DJ was on his third day of the job and obviously eager to build a reputation. Lets not forget there would have been producers involved.

I do not have all the facts so merely my opinion coming here. The initial reaction worldwide was one of humour although some considered it disrespectful to the Royal Family (although Charles seemed to think it was funny). However I am pretty sure the ones who did not appreciate the prank would have been the hospital hierarchy. If I was the employee it would be their view I would be concerned about and I suspect they were not pleased at how it made the hospital look. What they said and any action taken towards her would be a possible consideration as to her thinking. The news I heard did not really seem to be making fun of the nurse but more the prank itself. However it probably did not help that it was such a major worldwide news story playing on many TV and radio shows.

Anyway, sad for all concerned.

Brett

^&grin^&grin

Ah, I see mate!^&grin

Must say that in my last paragraph I used the term ' Even if it was anti royal'. I really did mean EVEN IF IT WAS, because I did not think it was anti Royal I considered it Australian humour and pretty funny, most voice impressions of the Queen are by their nature funny because of her very posh voice anyway.

I can understand the two DJ's being off the air for a while out of respect, but it would be really bad if their careers suffered or they were consumed with guilt because of this, it was consequence that no one could have predicted , very sad especially for the family, but no harm was intended.

Cheers

Rob
 
Mitch,
Ägree with you about the "sad section of the public who really thrive on knowing the most intimate details of these alleged stars and personalities lives". Some of those magazines are just full off absolute drivel (ie Brad and Angie, Aniston (sorry Rob {sm4}), Royal baby stories etc). Good luck to any high profile person who gets to sue the gutter press.

Saw a Media Watch programme a couple of days before we heard about Kates pregnancy. The programme highlighted how many times one of the Aussie mags had already run front page stories saying Kate was pregnant since their marriage. I think it was about 5 !! Yet people still buy the mags.

Brett
 
Mitch,
Ägree with you about the "sad section of the public who really thrive on knowing the most intimate details of these alleged stars and personalities lives". Some of those magazines are just full off absolute drivel (ie Brad and Angie, Aniston (sorry Rob {sm4}), Royal baby stories etc). Good luck to any high profile person who gets to sue the gutter press.

Saw a Media Watch programme a couple of days before we heard about Kates pregnancy. The programme highlighted how many times one of the Aussie mags had already run front page stories saying Kate was pregnant since their marriage. I think it was about 5 !! Yet people still buy the mags.

Brett

Brett,

Say what you like about Jen, she never returns my calls!^&grin:wink2:

Celebrity status has gone beserk these days, for two weeks people were talking about a bunch of b lists sat in the jungle eating the testicles of god knows what, who on Gods earth cares?!! :mad::rolleyes2:

Rob
 
Paulo,

I totally understand your point of view of course. What is strange about all this is that the poor lady had not been reprimanded or disciplined in any way at all and was being fully supported by the hospital, this makes it hard to fathom, but of course pranks can be dangerous and on one can legislate for how someone may react. You are also of course right in that no one is laughing now, the whole thing is desperately sad.

Rob

Well, I have to say that I really felt a little outraged when I wrote this, but of course I have to agree that no intention or even criminal negligence (at least towards a life taking act) took place. I don't know what happened at the Hospital but I know that people might lose their jobs for lesser things than this, rightly or wrongly.


Paulo
 
This women must have had other issues. Who in their right mind kills themselves over something as stupid as this ? The DJ's haven't done anything that hasn't been done thousands of times for years by people in radio. Blaming them is like blaming me if I yell boo at someone and they have a heart attack. Stuff happens. You can't foresee the outcome of every action. And is it just me or does it seem odd that in the year 2012 kings & queens are even still around ? I think the Kardashian's have more redeemable qualities then this family does. Thank god we had a revolution.
 
This women must have had other issues. Who in their right mind kills themselves over something as stupid as this ? The DJ's haven't done anything that hasn't been done thousands of times for years by people in radio. Blaming them is like blaming me if I yell boo at someone and they have a heart attack. Stuff happens. You can't foresee the outcome of every action. And is it just me or does it seem odd that in the year 2012 kings & queens are even still around ? I think the Kardashian's have more redeemable qualities then this family does. Thank god we had a revolution.

Deal, we'll keep our monarchy and you can keep the Kardashian's^&grin

Rob
 
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