Rammjager Launch (1 Viewer)

[RAMC]

Would this Jet have had a set of wheels for take off. The trolley in the set looks alittle to big for use in take off. Other Jet fighters off this type seem to have trolleys for take off and skids for landing (ok landing was not an option in this case)

 

[Combat]

Would this Jet have had a set of wheels for take off. The trolley in the set looks alittle to big for use in take off. Other Jet fighters off this type seem to have trolleys for take off and skids for landing (ok landing was not an option in this case)

It would have been launched like the V-1. The trolley is just for ground transport. I believe Andy even mentioned that he might produce a launch for the RJ.

 

[Capitolron]

Launch Systems Command - now that sounds like a great figure set

 

[damian]

The Roswell UFO didn't have a lauch pad. It makes use of Centaurina anti-grav boosters fitted just below the free luch space time warp drive.

 

[CannonFodder1971]

Given the potential threats to life and limb if I post on one of the other threads I thought I might just post some info here.

Firstly, there would appear to be a whole field of popular culture devoted to Nazi "wonder weapons". It seems to be on the border between history and science fiction and is often referred to as 'Luft 46' to designate what might have flown in 1946 had many [any?] of the blueprints and/or prototypes made it into full scale production.

Here's a sample website:


http://www.luft46.com/

Secondly, it would appear that the plastic boys have been doing these for years at 1/48 and 1/72 scale:

http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/1940s_concept_air.htm

Even a few 1/32nd scale chaps at the balsa wood/carbon fibre end of the modelling spectrum too:

http://www.rchobby.co.uk/luft46_fw_ta183_huckebein.html

However, the overwhelming feature of the websites dedicated to 'Luft 46' material is the relatively small number of photographs in comparison to artists' impressions.

Here's a useful one:

http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_sonderwaffen.html

One nice photo of a piloted version of the V1 flying bomb (the Fieseler V1) on this link:

http://www.kheichhorn.de/html/body_fieseler_v1.html

Of the various Luft46 fans out there you can find quite a few modellers who could probably put people in contact with someone who's built a version of the Rammjager:

http://www.roboterkampf.com/html/air/index.htm

http://www.totel.ru/~TRAMP/fw.html

http://ipmslondon.tripod.com/aircraftreviews/id21.html

However, the actual Luft46 area is not just innocent sci-fi/history overlap, as it draws in the nuttier conspiracy theorists with Nazi flying saucer designs:

http://www.reichsflugscheiben.de/

Further, you'll get the feeling that quite a lot of it isn't praise of German technology, or an appraisal of various late-WWII prototypes/blueprints, but is a sort of backhanded worship of the Nazi propaganda associated with "wonder weapons".

If you speak German you can probably follow the caution expressed regarding excessive praise of any of the more fanciful schemes:

http://www.politikforen.de/archive/index.php/t-1737.html

If you speak Spanish you can follow debates on the practicality of some of the prototypical late-WWII/Luft46 designs:

http://www.miliamperios.com/foro/vi...previous&sid=e142dd202de9a47767a97a26afe16cea

For all the foregoing I have no doubt that there'll be quite a few artists designs of the Rammjager out there, and it's highly likely that there'll be a plastic kit available at 1/72nd scale or a carbon fibre custom production kit out there. But it is likely that the actual Focke Wulf designs never went beyond the production of a scale model of their own, and even if there were full-scale versions it is unlikely that they went beyond test flight stages.

I personally will not buy the WS 100, as my interest is in history and I am less than comfortable with the theme of "messianic" Nazi wonder-weapons, as I feel that it borders on the LAH in many respects, but I would imagine that it will be a success. However, I am just a little saddened that the various questions raised about WS100 were not treated with a little more respect and a little less jest.

PS: for those wondering if this rambling post has anything to do with the launcher here is my link to the nearest pair of Luft46 aircraft-and-launcher I could find:

http://www.kheichhorn.de/assets/images/juliacolor.jpg
and launcher
http://www.kheichhorn.de/assets/images/launcher.jpg

 

[damian]

That is an excellent post which gets to the heart of the manner. Many of the Nazi wonderweapons bordered on the fanciful and there is a whole genre of modellers out there who are interested. One does get the feeling that some of them are sorry that the Nazis lost and wished they could rewrite history. A valid question deserves an honest answer.
Regards
Damian

 

[jazzeum]

Some of these probably bordered on the fanciful. However, I did notice that the Blohm und Voss is on the list and Andy had made this. It's a great looking plane in my view, as is the Rammjaeger. The latter was apparently a design but maybe never more than that (I think we all recognize that now) although as the book that Andy looked at said several companies were interested in doing a design. If it was just a design, he has now bought a model to reality and I'm happy to have that in my collection. Although the prototype or actual plane may not be history, the design is.

I'm not sure what "bordering on LAH" means. THe LAH ranges shows the SA, SS, etc., e.g. the political aspects (rather than military, I suppose, if we can make that distinction -- I'm not sure we can) of the Third Reich. If you do mean that, are you then referring to the Reich's political goals of expansion, subjugation and so forth.

Therefore, if you do mean that, isn't that what Hitler used the military apparatus for and if that's what we're talking about that means everything that any toy soldier company produces that is German related. Would that not mean that a ME 262 would be a messianic weapon, the only difference between it and a B & V being that one was produced and the other not? The goal of the 262, just like any other messianic weapon, was to produce some miracle that would bring victory. A Me 262 is a plane any collector would love to have but it does fall into the category of a messianic weapon even though it was produced.

I assume you don't mean the foregoing so if that's the case, perhaps LAH is the wrong term.

 

[damian]

The great science fiction writer Philip K Dick wrote a novel called The Man in the High Castle about an alternative future in which Germany and Japan had won the war, or had they. There are plenty of neo-nazi fantasies around today who believe Hitler could have won. They often tend to have a bit of an obsession about alternative history and that is why they are often into these wonder weapons.

 

[RAMC]

Lets not forget that without the research that went into these weapons NASA would not exist in the form we know. It's no excuse for what went on.There could never be an excuse, but in some round about way we have all since benifitied from some of the science. It makes you think.
Don't repeat the mistakes of the past is my advice.

 

[Eazy]

Lets not forget that without the research that went into these weapons NASA would not exist in the form we know. It's no excuse for what went on.There could never be an excuse, but in some round about way we have all since benifitied from some of the science. It makes you think.
Don't repeat the mistakes of the past is my advice.

Hi Glenn, how's it going?

Did you see the BBC drama Space Race from a year or so ago?
It was pretty interesting and contrasted the fortunes of Wehner Von Braun working for the US and Sergei Korolev working for the Soviets.
I didn't know much about this subject but I learned a lot from it and it was amazing the lengths the US went to to get Von Braun out of Germany and working for them despite his use of slave labour whilst working on Germany's rocket program and Nazi affiliations.

 

[Capitolron]

Man oh Man - Are we beating this WS100 thing to death or what?

OK - Andy picked up a book and made a Toy that has no historic value - we all got it. Lets move on.

I mean - some of the discussion here are interesting about wonder weapons and such ....but, we have really beat this one to death IMO.

Ron

 

[jazzeum]

It's beyond death. It's about six or seven deaths. It's hair pulling time.

 

[Rob]

And its a shame its rather overshadowed the Launch of a superb looking model.Speaking on behalf of little ol me only,can't wait to get my K&C collecting little paws on it!.

Rob

 

[Eazy]

Guys I may be missing something but I see no problem with any posts on this thread.

It's just chat about rockets and wonder weapons and stuff.

 

[Combat]

Not clear what "it" is that has been beaten to death. Some discussion on whether it was or was not produced. Some discussion on nazi wonder weapons. Some on Andy's response. There is a tendency toward pressuring the end of discussions that are perceived as negative in regard to KC products. Track detail, historical accuracy, strictly limited editions. Those are all topics of legitimate discussion for as long as anyone wants to discuss them.

 

[jazzeum]

This may be of interest, http://www.luft46.com/oddities/rammers.html

 

[Steven Chong]

Not clear what "it" is that has been beaten to death. Some discussion on whether it was or was not produced. Some discussion on nazi wonder weapons. Some on Andy's response. There is a tendency toward pressuring the end of discussions that are perceived as negative in regard to KC products. Track detail, historical accuracy, strictly limited editions. Those are all topics of legitimate discussion for as long as anyone wants to discuss them.

I agree with Combat -- all are topics of legitimate discussion. If you think the topics have been "beaten to death," skip these threads. Now, K&C provided the reference it used, so it did not simply produce something with no rational basis. The current consensus appears to be that the Rammjager only existed as conceptual drawings and in an artist's rendering. Here, I agree with what Andy has always said about K&C's products, "Buy it if you like it ... Don't buy it if you don't like it." All the subjective reasons posted for buying and not buying the Rammjager are legitimate -- whether someone buys it simply because K&C makes it, or does not buy it because its significance is liken to the LAH series. In the end, I do not think we need to question these subjective reasons in the tones used.

 

[jazzeum]

I agree with Combat -- all are topics of legitimate discussion. If you think the topics have been "beaten to death," skip these threads. Now, K&C provided the reference it used, so it did not simply produce something with no rational basis. The current consensus appears to be that the Rammjager only existed as conceptual drawings and in an artist's rendering. Here, I agree with what Andy has always said about K&C's products, "Buy it if you like it ... Don't buy it if you don't like it." All the subjective reasons posted for buying and not buying the Rammjager are legitimate -- whether someone buys it simply because K&C makes it, or does not buy it because its significance is liken to the LAH series. In the end, I do not think we need to question these subjective reasons in the tones used.

Six threads on the subject would qualify in my view as "beaten to death." I still stand by my criticism of Cannonfodder's post that LAH is the wrong term as all weapons used, developed or conceived by the Nazis were designed to develop their aims. I won't restate the argument as I've already made it and see no need to restate it.

 

[Capitolron]

I agree with Combat -- all are topics of legitimate discussion. If you think the topics have been "beaten to death," skip these threads. Now, K&C provided the reference it used, so it did not simply produce something with no rational basis. The current consensus appears to be that the Rammjager only existed as conceptual drawings and in an artist's rendering. Here, I agree with what Andy has always said about K&C's products, "Buy it if you like it ... Don't buy it if you don't like it." All the subjective reasons posted for buying and not buying the Rammjager are legitimate -- whether someone buys it simply because K&C makes it, or does not buy it because its significance is liken to the LAH series. In the end, I do not think we need to question these subjective reasons in the tones used.

Steven

I dont think I like your tone

All I was saying was we have beaten the fact that this is not a real German Aircraft over and over - thats all. I mean how many times did it needed to be rehashed - thats all and for that matter its my opinion - like it or not.

It was not a comentary on all the subjects at hand - which if you read my originial posting - I pointed out was good. I like lots of discussion - but, IMO - it was starting to sound like more Andy bashing.

So please read the posting before you criticize.

Ron

 

[Combat]

All I was saying was we have beaten the fact that this is not a real German Aircraft over and over - thats all. I mean how many times did it needed to be rehashed - thats all and for that matter its my opinion - like it or not.

It was not a comentary on all the subjects at hand - which if you read my originial posting - I pointed out was good. I like lots of discussion - but, IMO - it was starting to sound like more Andy bashing.

So please read the posting before you criticize.

Ron

Ron- Spoken like a true lobbyist. Please contact the guy who wrote this and let him know it is resolved:

"I have to believe that Andy has more than just one book on the modeling of the WS100 - I mean this is a big milestone for his WS Range and I am sure he didnt went into this half hazard - you know?

When Andy jumps in and checks this thread - I am sure we will learn alot more on this wonderful piece."