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Njja

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Anybody else wondering where some of these Rare pieces certain "Dealers"

keep offering up for sale are coming from? I'm looking at a piece I have only

seen once in the last three years and now it has appeared twice in two

weeks from the same dealer.......who tried to charge me $14.50 to ship a

single figure a while ago....I suppose the "Ghost Rider" was going to drive the

figure down to me special delivery.

Usually if a Collection is purchased most Dealers offer that as an explaniation

what do you think?

Njja:confused:
 
Anybody else wondering where some of these Rare pieces certain "Dealers"

keep offering up for sale are coming from? I'm looking at a piece I have only

seen once in the last three years and now it has appeared twice in two

weeks from the same dealer.......who tried to charge me $14.50 to ship a

single figure a while ago....I suppose the "Ghost Rider" was going to drive the

figure down to me special delivery.

Usually if a Collection is purchased most Dealers offer that as an explaniation

what do you think?

Njja:confused:

I will freely admit that I would not know what is truly K/C rare....Is there something that we , as bidders should look out for? Thanks, Michael
 
I must admit I am a little disappointed with a certain dealer that I will not mention. Within the last two weeks I eMailed this particular dealer about some retired items which were listed as available on his/her website. I might also mention that the website was up to date. Time goes by with no response till these items start appearing on eBay. I then eMailed this seller via eBay who told me that they were overwhelmed at the time & the items could now be purchased on eBay or via the web site with a hefty increase in price. Way to go sport! I am not sure if this is the same seller but they are simply POOR DIPLOMATS/REPRESENTATIVESfor the companies/products they sell.
 
I must admit I am a little disappointed with a certain dealer that I will not mention. Within the last two weeks I eMailed this particular dealer about some retired items which were listed as available on his/her website. I might also mention that the website was up to date. Time goes by with no response till these items start appearing on eBay. I then eMailed this seller via eBay who told me that they were overwhelmed at the time & the items could now be purchased on eBay or via the web site with a hefty increase in price. Way to go sport! I am not sure if this is the same seller but they are simply POOR DIPLOMATS/REPRESENTATIVESfor the companies/products they sell.

As I wrote in a prior post (and received at least one sad reply) dealers are not our friends.

Pierre.
 
As I wrote in a prior post (and received at least one sad reply) dealers are not our friends.

Pierre.

That is a lot of crap and you know it. Just like anybody else, there are good people and bad people. People like Shannon, George and Bill Sager are some of the best people you could meet, let alone dealers. Plus, they're in a business competing with one another for sales from the likes of us.

So, to over generalize and say that all of them are not our friends is just ridiculous. As a fellow attorney, I think you would know better than to paint everybody with the same brush.
 
Perhaps this may be the case with some companies/individuals but I have had professional service from George (Minutemen); Sierra Toy Soldiers; Uncle Bill Sager & Treefrog of course. I must give them credit here as they have treated me well as a customer. That ends my Honor Roll unfortunately with no disrespect to those I have not purchased from.

Beaufighter
 
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I do agree - there are great guys (and gals - :D Shannon) out there doing great work for all of us.

Wait, Look Out - BANG! BANG! Hey I'm not a Quail :eek: Bang! Bang! :D
 
I honestly believe dealers should stay out of the secondary market and sell all their inventory at original retail price.
 
And I believe that trolls live under bridges, and ... well you get the idea. It's only a dream. Saddly, money (profit) will determine everything.
 
Guys,

I can't speak for everyone on this forum, but I have been collecting K&C as long as or longer than most (started in 1993). With that in mind I would like to say that just about every single dealer I have dealt with is fantastic. To list just a few who are above and beyond the call of duty in the honorable, decent and friendly departments:

Our hosts Pete and Shannon of Treefrog (as good as it can get);
Tony Ciccarello of the Toy Soldier Gallery (the original K&C dealer);
Mike, Sue and Tony Neville of K&C, UK (I've considered them friends as well as one of my favorite dealers for more than ten years, and they still look after me with classic stuff better than anyone);
Pam and Bill Brunton (who just about never mark up a retired item);
Gideon Rettich of Classic Toys (a good friend of mine who is so Honorable he sold an Arnhem Daimler armored car he found in his stockroom for original list, because it had never been sold - ask Larry Lo, who bought it);
George Guerrero of Minutemen Toy Soldiers (as Honorable as they come);
Matt Murphy of the Hobby Bunker (one of the long term good guys in this business);
Bill Sager (the best website for the history of K&C, bar none);
Tim Tyler of Troops of Time ( a real southern gentleman);
Craig McClean (Bubba) (and his predecessor Bob Fisher), of the Old Toy Soldier Home (Bubba's a guy who, despite just about the worst back injury you can without being totally paralyzed, still hangs in there are gets the product out to us);
Ron Daniels of Maitland Toy Soldier Shop (an absolute pleasure to chat with).

So as far as I'm concerned, the dealer is not the enemy, they are at least to me, good friends.
 
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I haven't had the pleasure to deal with everyone Louis has dealt with but I second the thought especially as to the Nevilles (I can never say good enough things about Mike and Tony) and Gideon. Just great folks all around. So, let's end this line of the dealer is the enemy before it goes anywhere.
 
I will freely admit that I would not know what is truly K/C rare....Is there something that we , as bidders should look out for? Thanks, Michael

Michael:

Both Brad and I a maintain a list of E-bay sales.......Brad's is more complete
since mine crashed with my computer last year!! But I bet mine is easier to
read.......if anyone is interested drop me a message and I will tell you my secret!!

That is what I base my Rare factor on......the number of times it has appeared on E-bay in the last several years.

Some collectors have developed extensive networks which help them locate items with greater efficiency. This is to their credit, and most of us can only appreciate the effort it has taken to accomplish this.

So I am speaking to the average collector that has E-bay, perhaps a show or two and one or two contacts to find his treasures.

Several collectors have mentioned dealers that have earned their trust...this is great information for other Forum members. As an example Pete and Shannon (Our Hosts) mention when they are picking up a collection and offer it to Forum members, several other dealers do the same and offer the items from various methods.

I am addressing the dealers operation in the "Grey Areas" and I suggest that when someone is treated unfairly, shipped junk, or generally cheated they advise other members.......not by mentioning names but by stating they had trouble and explaining the situation through private E-mails to anyone interested. This might save another Forum member from a similar experience.

I started this thread when a fairly rare item showed up back to back from a dealer that tried to charge me $14.50 to ship a single King & Country figure to me. Another Forum member contacted this same dealer to purchase something from his web site....was told the item was not available...then listed the same item on E-bay at a much higher price. This is just bad business.

Just my two cents!

Njja

P.S. Brad & Pierre.....no arguing between attorneys!! Or I will get that brillant Judge J.Paul Stupid (the one handling the Anna Nicole Fiasco) in
Broward County to mediate things:eek: :eek: :eek:
 
My list is in chronological order, newer first, not grouped, as I think John's may be. My list has about 3,000 entries in it so probably some sort of software that gives you interesting stats would be helpful. At this point, I'm not going input 3,000 plus entries since that's too much like work and this is just fun.

As far as what's rare, I think over time you get a feeling for what is rare. Something like a WS 04 Commanders in matte is rare, only about a dozen made or one of those LRDG Jeeps (you don't often see them, at least on ebay) or an RAF ambulance (30 were made of the most common, according to Louis). Probably the rarest are the wooden tanks. One showed upon ebay in late 2004, going for a nifty $2,000.

BTW, that Judge is a piece of work, great ambassador for my profession.
 
Please could some one tell me what is considered rare. A list or something may be useful. Perhaps we could keep it updated as a resource. Everything on e bay is listed as very rare so I have no idea of what is rare
 
That is a lot of crap and you know it. Just like anybody else, there are good people and bad people. People like Shannon, George and Bill Sager are some of the best people you could meet, let alone dealers. Plus, they're in a business competing with one another for sales from the likes of us.

So, to over generalize and say that all of them are not our friends is just ridiculous. As a fellow attorney, I think you would know better than to paint everybody with the same brush.


Brad, again you get me wrong. Saying that the dealers are not our friends doesn't mean that they are our ennemies. As a lawyer you should know how to read a text in his context.

John started the thread and he described a specific situation in which a dealer shows more interests in his profits than in the advantages of the collectors and this is normal as it is the human nature:Là où il y a un homme, il y a de l'hommerie (Thomas d'Aquin).

What I do not understand is why you replied with an angry post. Where is the problem? Did I say that your favorite dealer is a gangster? Did I say that all the dealers are dishonest?

Why insulting me by qualifying my post as a lot of crap and stating that what I wrote is ridiculous, instead of asking me to explain what I mean?

You will permit, I hope, that I do it.

a) a dealer who is selling Strictly Limited Editions directly to eBay throught his wife is not my friend.

b) the same dealer who is selling on eBay, again throught his wife, brochures that King and Country gave him is not my friend.

c) dealers who take out items from their shelves (or websites) at the same time that K&C is doing it are not my friends.

d) a dealer who goes back on a deal because K&C has just retired an item before the shipping of the package is not my friend (that happened to me in 2004. That dealer raised the price of the EA07 set while there was an agreement on a trade).

e) dealers who raise their prices on items paid at the old price (and then make a profit of 80 to 90% on the back of the collectors) are not my friends.

f) a dealer who bids against collectors on eBay on valuable items to resell them to other collectors is not my friend (which brings the following question: How many times a dealer needs to sell an item before being satisfied with the profits he is making on the said item?).

I am sure that the people involved in those six examples are very charming and are surely some of the best people I could meet but, as you say, they are in business and in that context they are not our friends.

For me, friendship is free and is not based on the expectation of something which is, in this case, money.

Of course, you can develop a real friendship with someone throught the hobby (like Louis with Andy C. Neilson) and I never putted that in question and I think that it is a real great thing if it happens.

You think that I made a mistake because I over generalize , I think you made a mistake in taking it too personnal.

I was well aware that my post would provoke strong reactions as it is often the case when somebody is telling something right. Toute vérité n'est pas bonne à dire.

Pierre.
 
As I wrote in a prior post (and received at least one sad reply) dealers are not our friends.

Pierre.

for them is a job and this is natural i think,all we do the same in their position,but dont worry with the new politic of 1250 per set on the stictly some piece remain at the retail price for years


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The problem with your post, which you take great pains to defend but ultimately you cannot do, is that you said dealers, not a specific dealer, are not our friends. You grouped all dealers together. Apparently, based upon your explanation, this is not what you meant.

However, when you first posted, you should have taken the time to explain that you were referring to certain dealers, not all dealers. That is the hallmark of good writing.

Indicting a whole group of people because of the acts of some dealers was simply the wrong thing to do.

Did I take it personally? Yes, I did, Shannon, George Guerriero, Bill Sager and the Nevilles are my friends so I think you owe them an apology Pierre.
 
As someone that has intentions of expanding his K & C vehicle collection I'm interested in hearing what dealer(s) are doing the things that Pierre has indicated because I don't want to EVER buy from them on eBay or otherwise.

I know that "Marjories Treasures" wanted to charge me $29.95 freight on a single figure, but I suggested she keep all her treasures at that quote. I know K & C aren't happy with single figure sales but I feel it does help to get more people into his products and its different ranges.
 
The problem with your post, which you take great pains to defend but ultimately you cannot do, is that you said dealers, not a specific dealer, are not our friends. You grouped all dealers together. Apparently, based upon your explanation, this is not what you meant.

However, when you first posted, you should have taken the time to explain that you were referring to certain dealers, not all dealers. That is the hallmark of good writing.

Indicting a whole group of people because of the acts of some dealers was simply the wrong thing to do.

Did I take it personally? Yes, I did, Shannon, George Guerriero, Bill Sager and the Nevilles are my friends so I think you owe them an apology Pierre.

Now now guys. :)

Brad, I agree that Pierre should not have generalised but I feel your response was a tad personal and abusive. And some have said that I'm a guy that knows a lot about abuse :)
 

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