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[uksubs]

Y-Weido is a retailer and is affiliated with a manufacturer. I presume he sources his products the same way any retailer does via purchases from the manufacturer. Since many Toy Soldier products are contracted to China for manufacture, I would expect they can be sourced direct from the manufacturer and at a low cost if the products are seconds.

Y-Weido carries some unique pieces; Ballista, Romans, Eagle Design Panzers etc. He cites the makers of the products he sells; so their is no deception as to sources. I asked about the source of the TCS Kingtiger I purchased and was informed that they were a preproduction sample run that was rejected by TCS. The manufacturer was selling them to recover the production cost. I received an honest response from Y-Weido to my question and this was confirmed by Brian Levy at TCS.

The quality of the proprietary products is very good. The Eagle Design Kingtiger and Country Honor Scorpion compare favorably with other manufacturers products IMO. None of the products i have purchased could be considered copies.
Y-Weido is very responsive to questions, ships quickly and the products are well packaged. I could not ask more of any retailer.

Have you read the reviews of the Eagle design king tiger ? As most the reviews were not good to be honest so don’t know how you can say it compare favourably with other companies king tiger tank

 

[katana]

I find the eagle design KT is superior in detail and quality to the TCS an K&C KTs. The ED KT is more accurate than the FL
KT. The Ideler is correctly positioned and the bevel is present on the lower turret side.

Do you own an ED KT?

Have you read the reviews of the Eagle design king tiger ? As most the reviews were not good to be honest so don’t know how you can say it compare favourably with other companies king tiger tank

 

[katana]

You may wish to consider when criticizing Y-Weido, that many figures on his Ebay site are clearly labeled as pre owned!

Pre owned figures could have been purchased on the secondary market or are consignment pieces. Many TG and K&C pieces are labeld as pre owned, including the Dickens figures. Check the Ebay site.

Interesting comments this and your previous about Y-Weido I think Matt's comments about FL figures appearing on his EBay site speaks volumes.

For someone who correctly labels figures et maybe can explain Kind and Country WOD032 looking identical to World of Dickens WoD032 from King & Country

Mark

 

[uksubs]

I find the eagle design KT is superior in detail and quality to the TCS an K&C KTs. The ED KT is more accurate than the FL
KT. The Ideler is correctly positioned and the bevel is present on the lower turret side.

Do you own an ED KT?

Well this is Steve review of the Eagle design king tiger
Scale is 1/29-ish as standard for Eagle. The hull is essentially the same size as the FL King Tiger. The Eagle turret is noticeably larger in height and width. The cannon barrel is HUGE. Looks more like a 120 mm cannon on an M1 Abrams than an 88 mm.

- Works decently well with FL figures.

- Mudguards are not great. They look OK from the side and rear, but they are much too flat on top in shape and too wide for the tracks. They look bad when viewed from the front. Same issue the TCS King Tiger had.

- My barrel was a little curved as it arrived.
Sorry for taking the thread of topic :redface2:

 

[katana]

I read Steves evaluation and his modifications to the ED KT. The proportions of the turret to the hull are correct and the same as the Figarti KT; which is the most accurate KT in 1/30 scale to date IMO. The over size muzzle brake and fenders can be corrected as Steve has demonstrated. The price is 1/2 the other 1/30 KT that has more problems that do not lend themselves to correction.

Well this is Steve review of the Eagle design king tiger
Scale is 1/29-ish as standard for Eagle. The hull is essentially the same size as the FL King Tiger. The Eagle turret is noticeably larger in height and width. The cannon barrel is HUGE. Looks more like a 120 mm cannon on an M1 Abrams than an 88 mm.

- Works decently well with FL figures.

- Mudguards are not great. They look OK from the side and rear, but they are much too flat on top in shape and too wide for the tracks. They look bad when viewed from the front. Same issue the TCS King Tiger had.

- My barrel was a little curved as it arrived.
Sorry for taking the thread of topic :redface2:

 

[uksubs]

I read Steves evaluation and his modifications to the ED KT. The proportions of the turret to the hull are correct and the same as the Figarti KT; which is the most accurate KT in 1/30 scale to date IMO. The over size muzzle brake and fenders can be corrected as Steve has demonstrated. The price is 1/2 the other 1/30 KT that has more problems that do not lend themselves to correction.

You made this statement “I find the eagle design KT is superior in detail and quality to the TCS an K&C KTs. The ED KT is more accurate than the FL “ That just your opinion the end of the day and not based on fact

 

[Mark IV]

You may wish to consider when criticizing Y-Weido, that many figures on his Ebay site are clearly labeled as pre owned!

Pre owned figures could have been purchased on the secondary market or are consignment pieces. Many TG and K&C pieces are labeld as pre owned, including the Dickens figures. Check the Ebay site.

Certainly very careful when it comes to making comments.

The comment I made wasn't about Pre owned Figures one it was just referring to Matt from FL previous comments regarding sale of FL figures on that Ebay site.

The main question which you completely overlooked was the Kind and Country Figures and that has nothing to do with pre-owned

I will also add that I have purchased considerable number of Eagle Design AFV but after consistantly receiving items that I have had to repair or poorly put together I have ceased purchasing and would personally perfer FL 1/30 and pay the considerable extra cost. If War park solve the drooping gun barrel & mantel issue I will get more of their AFV when released

Mark

 

[katana]

Fact not opinion. I am sure as a King Tiger collector of note you will have a copy of Osprey New Vanguard #1 King Tiger Heavy Tank 1942-1945 by Tom Jentz and Hilary Doyle; the acknowledged experts on the KT. Please refer to Plates C and E
front, back and side elevation drawings of the KT. Refer to the front view, note the height of the turret relative to the height of the hull from bottom to the deck. The size ratio is almost 1:1. The turret sides extend to the edges of the hull deck. Note the clearance bevels on the lower turret sides. The FL turret is too small in height and width. The key detail of the clearance bevels is missing on the FL KT. A major omission. The ED KT is correct in both turret size and the presence of the bevels.

Refer to the side elevation drawing of the KT on plate C or E. Note the position of the Idler relative to the Bogies. The Idler is incorrectly positioned on the FL KT. The position is correct on the ED KT.

The ED KT also has issues; but not as major as with the FL KT. The ED muzzle brake is too large and the fenders are oversize. Steve has shown how to correct these errors in his product evaluation.

The reference I have cited show the errors in both products clearly. All products have flaws; some worse than others. The higher priced the product the fewer flaws it should have; however in this instance the opposite is true.

You made this statement “I find the eagle design KT is superior in detail and quality to the TCS an K&C KTs. The ED KT is more accurate than the FL “ That just your opinion the end of the day and not based on fact

 

[tdubel]

Correct me if I am wrong here, but Andy of K&C has spoken on this previously in public on the forum as well as I personally spoke with him on this matter. He has indicated that the World OF Dickens pieces are either samples or a batch he rejected, etc and he indicated the factory could do what they want with them.

Furthermore, Matt of First Legion was not happy with the output he received and got rid of the factory. He also previously believed that the Country Honor brand was copying his figures, again, all of this has been previously posted and is fact. First Legion has stated they no longer use this factory.

Additionally, Weido's factory has produced nearly all of the brands at some point or another, it is a well established factory. I am not going to go any farther than above as that was previously disclosed, but from a private conversation with a very well known maker, this factory still does plenty of work for a lot of brands as well as its own brand.

Point is, the speculation on this thread is pointless and pretty far off base. A logical conclusion in my opinion is that if this factory is still operating and still producing for a number of the major brands as well as making its own and operating in public on ebay, then figure its on the up and up in conjunction with previously public comments by some of the major brands.

TD

 

[theBaron]

Upshot is, FairCloverLand is not engaging in piracy.

 

[tdubel]

Upshot is, FairCloverLand is not engaging in piracy.

They are the now owners of Guard Corps. Unfortunately, the original releases IMO are much better done and in different metal. The new ones are very "China produced" in style paint and metal. Again IMO.
Tom

 

[uksubs]

I read Steves evaluation and his modifications to the ED KT. The proportions of the turret to the hull are correct and the same as the Figarti KT; which is the most accurate KT in 1/30 scale to date IMO. The over size muzzle brake and fenders can be corrected as Steve has demonstrated. The price is 1/2 the other 1/30 KT that has more problems that do not lend themselves to correction.

How can the ED turret be correct when Steve say it to big and he own the tank !!?{sm2}

 

[katana]

I cannot speak for Steve; but i own the ED KT too and the proportions of the turret to the hull are correct. Refer to Osprey New Vanguard #1 King Tiger by Jentz and Doyle. Plate C shows frontal , rear and side elevation drawings of a King Tiger.
The turret height from base to cupola is slightly less than the height of the hull from base to deck. The turret is a wide as the deck. The ED KT turret proportions are the same as the drawing.

How can the ED turret be correct when Steve say it to big and he own the tank !!?{sm2}

 

[uksubs]

I cannot speak for Steve; but i own the ED KT too and the proportions of the turret to the hull are correct. Refer to Osprey New Vanguard #1 King Tiger by Jentz and Doyle. Plate C shows frontal , rear and side elevation drawings of a King Tiger.
The turret height from base to cupola is slightly less than the height of the hull from base to deck. The turret is a wide as the deck. The ED KT turret proportions are the same as the drawing.

What about the over size gun barrel then ?

 

[theBaron]

They are the now owners of Guard Corps. Unfortunately, the original releases IMO are much better done and in different metal. The new ones are very "China produced" in style paint and metal. Again IMO.
Tom

They've owned Guard Corps for ten years, at least, or however long it's been since Alan Silk and Ed Lober passed. FCL did the casting, at the end. I recall hearing talk shortly after, that one of the families was going to continue the brand, with FCL casting and painting, but that apparently fell through. I agree, the original figures were better. Cheaper, too. The prices listed on eBay for individual figures are almost what the entire sets cost when they were in production.

Prost!
Brad

 

[katana]

The gun barrel diameter and length is correct. The muzzle brake is the larger size used on the Tiger I. I am quite pleased with mine. The dimensions are correct for 1/30 and the details are accurate except for the fenders and muzzle brake, neither of which are obvious.

The custom order Figarti King Tiger is superior to both the FL and ED King Tiger IMO. The price is the same as the FL; but without the errors. The turret is the correct size with the bevels and the Idler is correctly positioned relative to the Bogies. The barrel, muzzle brake and fenders are all correct. Plus you can specify paint and unit!

What about the over size gun barrel then ?

 

[uksubs]

The gun barrel diameter and length is correct. The muzzle brake is the larger size used on the Tiger I. I am quite pleased with mine. The dimensions are correct for 1/30 and the details are accurate except for the fenders and muzzle brake, neither of which are obvious.

Well this is what Steve said about ED king tiger gun barrel “
Eagle turret is noticeably larger in height and width. The cannon barrel is HUGE. Looks more like a 120 mm cannon on an M1 Abrams than an 88 mm.“ you both can’t be right ^&confuse

 

[katana]

Subjective comments cannot be compared in a meaningful way. Dimensions would be needed for accurate comparison. Does huge refer to the length or the diameter of the barrel?

The ED KT barrel length from the front of the turret to the end of the Muzzle brake is 175mm. The diameter of the first reinforce is 12.5mm. The second reinforce is 8.7mm. The barrel than tapers from 6.7mm to 5mm at the rear of the muzzle brake. I would not think the JJD Jagdpanther barrel is significantly smaller.

Other than the oversize muzzle brake I did not see a significant size difference between the original barrel size and the JJD Jagdpanther barrel Steve used to replace it. Steve could provide dimensions for both barrels to compare them more accurately.

Well this is what Steve said about ED king tiger gun barrel “
Eagle turret is noticeably larger in height and width. The cannon barrel is HUGE. Looks more like a 120 mm cannon on an M1 Abrams than an 88 mm.“ you both can’t be right ^&confuse

 

[FrankDrake]

There is another variant, SS012B (Spring) with fur hat.
Maybe he was cold.

 

[sfarrelly]

That TGM Cavalryman is real. TGM made a few and sold them.