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I have not looked at the clip you posted but this was a diplomatic issue rather than any win by a military force.
The lead reconnaissance troop in the race to Pristina was commanded by British officer Captain James Blunt (the singer). Your Wikipedia link shows "he has been quoted as saying he would rather have faced a court martial than use force against the Russians". British General Jackson refused to enforce Clark's orders, reportedly telling him "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you". Clark was NATO Commander and Jackson was ready to resign rather than follow Clark's order.
If you look at that link the "good guys" had far superior forces available and the Russians were cut off. The Russians should consider themselves lucky the British did not agree with the Americans in how to deal with the Russians.
However no doubt the Communist propaganda machine has promoted this as some sort of glorious battle showing their superiority.
You may find this article about hazing helpful. You will note it directly relates to the conscription in Russian army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
I am just wondering what is your purpose being on this forum ? You aim seems to be to promote and glorify the Russian army and have no interest in toy soldiers. Not only that your posts also seem intended to show the armies/soldiers of the west in a bad way.
Here is a simple question. If you had to join an army as a soldier which would you rather serve in : Russian, British, NZ or USA ? Or if you were in an African country and needed Peacekeepers which would you prefer to help ?
Let me make this clear. Russia is a communist country and for those in the west that makes it the "enemy". However I think we all prefer peace to any conflict.
You lost the Cold War and the USSR collapsed in 1991 and left in its place 15 independent states that we know today:
Armenia
Moldova
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Georgia
Azerbaijan
Tajikistan
Kyrgyzstan
Belarus
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Kazakhstan
Russia
Wow impressive job. Russia was spending huge money on its military whilst its people were poor and suffering hardships.
Happy to help if you have any further points you would like to raise.
I have not looked at the clip you posted but this was a diplomatic issue rather than any win by a military force.
The lead reconnaissance troop in the race to Pristina was commanded by British officer Captain James Blunt (the singer). Your Wikipedia link shows "he has been quoted as saying he would rather have faced a court martial than use force against the Russians". British General Jackson refused to enforce Clark's orders, reportedly telling him "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you". Clark was NATO Commander and Jackson was ready to resign rather than follow Clark's order.
If you look at that link the "good guys" had far superior forces available and the Russians were cut off. The Russians should consider themselves lucky the British did not agree with the Americans in how to deal with the Russians.
However no doubt the Communist propaganda machine has promoted this as some sort of glorious battle showing their superiority.
You may find this article about hazing helpful. You will note it directly relates to the conscription in Russian army.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
I am just wondering what is your purpose being on this forum ? You aim seems to be to promote and glorify the Russian army and have no interest in toy soldiers. Not only that your posts also seem intended to show the armies/soldiers of the west in a bad way.
Here is a simple question. If you had to join an army as a soldier which would you rather serve in : Russian, British, NZ or USA ? Or if you were in an African country and needed Peacekeepers which would you prefer to help ?
Let me make this clear. Russia is a communist country and for those in the west that makes it the "enemy". However I think we all prefer peace to any conflict.
You lost the Cold War and the USSR collapsed in 1991 and left in its place 15 independent states that we know today:
Armenia
Moldova
Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Georgia
Azerbaijan
Tajikistan
Kyrgyzstan
Belarus
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Kazakhstan
Russia
Wow impressive job. Russia was spending huge money on its military whilst its people were poor and suffering hardships.
Happy to help if you have any further points you would like to raise.
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Hi Mark.
Thanks for your honest post.
To make it clear: I do not trust the facts in the Wikipedia and always checking the info at an independent sources.
I forced to use the Wikipedia as a proof only because for many guys on the forum the Wikipedia is like the last resort on the history.
Kind Regards.
Serge.
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The “9th Company"
Hi there.
Sorry don’t know your name as you didn’t introduce yourself.
1. To do what Russians did in 1999 they had to have a balls of the still as at that time Russia had been in the lowest point of her history.
And the 200 Russians were ready to take a fight. British General Jackson knew about that and that why the British turned and walked away.
Here is another Russian soldiers video “16 Elite Russian Soldiers Fought a Swarm of 300 Syrian Jihadists”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mmxpx7B1vY
I’m dying to see your posted “good guys” video in reply to my.
2. Well, here you are right the dedovshchina probably still exist and that is a real shame.
Now tell me: how a newspaper would know what is going on in Russian Army?
Tell us how? Do you believe everything in Wikipedia? I wouldn’t if I were you.
And because of that I trust the Russian military much more.
“The New York Times reported that in 2006 at least 292 Russian soldiers were killed by dedovshchina (although the Russian military only admits that 16 soldiers were directly murdered by acts of dedovshchina”
3. Firstly I’m a keen colectors for a 10 years. I have around 200 die-cast model tanks and guns of the WW2 period.
For the last few years i do tanks myself. You probably would be able to see some of them them in my older posts.
Yes, I’m trying to promote the Russian army as I annoyed by some guys on the forum who know nothing about Russia and Russia Army but they are
making a idiotic statements.
I believe that all the soldiers deseve some respect.
Here is a couple of the great soldiers I was waiting for you to name.
Dan Keighran and Cpl. Willie Apiata
Don’t you know them?
4. Here is a simple answer RUSSIA.
5. That’s amazing how deep the propaganda sitting inside you.
Please try to watch the TV less it is bad for you and please stop live in past. Russia is not a communist country anymore for quite a long time.
I would recommend you to go to Russia for a holiday.
I promise you would be surprised.
Kind Regards.
Serge.
Hi there.
Sorry don’t know your name as you didn’t introduce yourself.
1. To do what Russians did in 1999 they had to have a balls of the still as at that time Russia had been in the lowest point of her history.
And the 200 Russians were ready to take a fight. British General Jackson knew about that and that why the British turned and walked away.
Here is another Russian soldiers video “16 Elite Russian Soldiers Fought a Swarm of 300 Syrian Jihadists”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mmxpx7B1vY
I’m dying to see your posted “good guys” video in reply to my.
2. Well, here you are right the dedovshchina probably still exist and that is a real shame.
Now tell me: how a newspaper would know what is going on in Russian Army?
Tell us how? Do you believe everything in Wikipedia? I wouldn’t if I were you.
And because of that I trust the Russian military much more.
“The New York Times reported that in 2006 at least 292 Russian soldiers were killed by dedovshchina (although the Russian military only admits that 16 soldiers were directly murdered by acts of dedovshchina”
3. Firstly I’m a keen colectors for a 10 years. I have around 200 die-cast model tanks and guns of the WW2 period.
For the last few years i do tanks myself. You probably would be able to see some of them them in my older posts.
Yes, I’m trying to promote the Russian army as I annoyed by some guys on the forum who know nothing about Russia and Russia Army but they are
making a idiotic statements.
I believe that all the soldiers deseve some respect.
Here is a couple of the great soldiers I was waiting for you to name.
Dan Keighran and Cpl. Willie Apiata
Don’t you know them?
4. Here is a simple answer RUSSIA.
5. That’s amazing how deep the propaganda sitting inside you.
Please try to watch the TV less it is bad for you and please stop live in past. Russia is not a communist country anymore for quite a long time.
I would recommend you to go to Russia for a holiday.
I promise you would be surprised.
Kind Regards.
Serge.
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Tank mate, Wikipedia may conveniently fill a few gaps in knowledge, but its consumer fed information is at times questionable and open to interpretation.
Best option is do your own research and catch up on some reading from several sources IMO.
Judging by your posts I'm presuming you were born in Russia and emigrated to NZ at some stage?
Kind Regards.
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The 9th Company"
Tank,
I have no interest to click on any of your links.
However just want to make clear a point. If the Russians are fighting UK, USA, NZ Oz then they would be the bad guys. If Russia lose men fighting Chechens, ISIS etc I simply don't care.
Good to know you trust the Russian military more than other sources of information. I note you also would rather be in the Russian army over that of a Western country (incl. NZ) and that Russia is no longer communist.
I have met Dan Keighran VC as well as Ben Roberts Smith VC and Keith Payne VC (Vietnam). My business has mounted the replica medals of the first two. Ben has been in my shop 5 x.
Now perhaps you can tell us your thoughts on the brave Russians involved in shooting down civilian airliners : Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983 and more recently MH17 over the Ukraine. Actually don't bother as your Russian military sources no doubt classify them as air battles equal to the Battle of Britain.
Interesting that you say 1999 was lowest point in Russian history and by co-incidence 20 years since you left the motherland.
I have zero interest to visit Russia.
Tank,
I have no interest to click on any of your links.
However just want to make clear a point. If the Russians are fighting UK, USA, NZ Oz then they would be the bad guys. If Russia lose men fighting Chechens, ISIS etc I simply don't care.
Good to know you trust the Russian military more than other sources of information. I note you also would rather be in the Russian army over that of a Western country (incl. NZ) and that Russia is no longer communist.
I have met Dan Keighran VC as well as Ben Roberts Smith VC and Keith Payne VC (Vietnam). My business has mounted the replica medals of the first two. Ben has been in my shop 5 x.
Now perhaps you can tell us your thoughts on the brave Russians involved in shooting down civilian airliners : Korean Air Lines Flight 007 in 1983 and more recently MH17 over the Ukraine. Actually don't bother as your Russian military sources no doubt classify them as air battles equal to the Battle of Britain.
Interesting that you say 1999 was lowest point in Russian history and by co-incidence 20 years since you left the motherland.
I have zero interest to visit Russia.
tank
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The “9th Company"
Look... How should I put that.
1. This is the Movies and Media part of the Forum.
I posted the movie trailer and the clip of the movie to share it to the other forum users.
That was all I wanted to do.
2. Than you come with your funny questions and slowly brought to the topic a political crap.
3. After I refused to talk about politic you come from another side with a stupid REMBO questions and eventually you managed to separated SOLDIERS for a bad Russian and good Western soldiers.
Durring the conversation about Chechnya you showed no knowlege about the subgect and you made a sily statement based on propaganda.
After I posted some info about Chechen rebels you admitted that you was wrong.
I thought we are done with our coversation.
4. in my next post I did ask the Topic readers:
Does anyone knows about any heroic act of the USA forces or US allies in Afghanistan.
And here you come again with this controversial statement:
I would say a NZ or Aussie soldier would be vastly superior to a Russian. Better training, pay, food, equipment, weapons.
Well, to reply this accusation I posted 2 videos to debunk your statement and I asked you to provide any evidence to prove your words.
The next day you reply but your answer was full of propaganda and there wasn’t a single evidence to support your statement.
Here is my conclusion: From my point if view you are a typical TIRE KICKER so from now I will ignore you.
Have a good day.
P.S.
As you all know there was a drones airstrike on oil factory in Saudi Arabia.
And there were many drones and missiles attack on Russian Khmeimim Air Base in Syria.
Plase see the difference.
Western military
Saudis couldn’t stop attack on oil facilities, even with top US defenses
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-on-oil-facilities-even-with-top-us-defenses/
Russian millitary.
Khmeimim Air Base in Syria. Fight off drones and missiles attack
https://twitter.com/JamesBond_Rus/s...&ref_url=https://glav.su/forum/4/16/messages/
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Look... How should I put that.
1. This is the Movies and Media part of the Forum.
I posted the movie trailer and the clip of the movie to share it to the other forum users.
That was all I wanted to do.
2. Than you come with your funny questions and slowly brought to the topic a political crap.
3. After I refused to talk about politic you come from another side with a stupid REMBO questions and eventually you managed to separated SOLDIERS for a bad Russian and good Western soldiers.
Durring the conversation about Chechnya you showed no knowlege about the subgect and you made a sily statement based on propaganda.
After I posted some info about Chechen rebels you admitted that you was wrong.
I thought we are done with our coversation.
4. in my next post I did ask the Topic readers:
Does anyone knows about any heroic act of the USA forces or US allies in Afghanistan.
And here you come again with this controversial statement:
I would say a NZ or Aussie soldier would be vastly superior to a Russian. Better training, pay, food, equipment, weapons.
Well, to reply this accusation I posted 2 videos to debunk your statement and I asked you to provide any evidence to prove your words.
The next day you reply but your answer was full of propaganda and there wasn’t a single evidence to support your statement.
Here is my conclusion: From my point if view you are a typical TIRE KICKER so from now I will ignore you.
Have a good day.
P.S.
As you all know there was a drones airstrike on oil factory in Saudi Arabia.
And there were many drones and missiles attack on Russian Khmeimim Air Base in Syria.
Plase see the difference.
Western military
Saudis couldn’t stop attack on oil facilities, even with top US defenses
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...-on-oil-facilities-even-with-top-us-defenses/
Russian millitary.
Khmeimim Air Base in Syria. Fight off drones and missiles attack
https://twitter.com/JamesBond_Rus/s...&ref_url=https://glav.su/forum/4/16/messages/
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The “9th Company"
Just for the record three Australian servicemen have been awarded the Victoria Cross for their valor in Afghanistan which I think more than qualifies as heroic acts! As far as Chechnya goes it was invaded by Tsarist Russia long ago and regardless of them being Islamic they have fought ever since to rid themselves of the invaders. You complain about propaganda but you come from a country that mastered the art of it, kinda the kettle calling the pot black don't you think? And by the way Rambo is spelt with an A not an E.
Just for the record three Australian servicemen have been awarded the Victoria Cross for their valor in Afghanistan which I think more than qualifies as heroic acts! As far as Chechnya goes it was invaded by Tsarist Russia long ago and regardless of them being Islamic they have fought ever since to rid themselves of the invaders. You complain about propaganda but you come from a country that mastered the art of it, kinda the kettle calling the pot black don't you think? And by the way Rambo is spelt with an A not an E.
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The Â9th Company"
You had 8 threads in the discussion area closed so you decided to try the movie section instead. With you everything is about a "competition" to show the Russians are superior. Even your last comment on the recent drone strike is like that. I could equally say how about the anti missile defences of Israel when Iraq was sending Scuds there ?
You said it was "controversial" to say NZ and Aussie soldiers are better than Russians. I am talking individual soldiers and as I indicated a lot of the Russian army is conscripts. Nothing controversial about it all. It is my opinion.
Of course people on this forum are aware of heroic acts by USA and Aussie forces in Afghanistan. However we don't feel the need to constantly list them.
Since you are so excited about the drones strike how would you compare the navy of Russia against USA ? How many aircraft carriers do the Russians have ?
By the way I hope you noted there was hazing in the movie The 9th Company.
tank; 4. in my next post I did ask the Topic readers: Does anyone knows about any heroic act of the USA forces or US allies in Afghanistan. And here you come again with this controversial statement: [B said:
You had 8 threads in the discussion area closed so you decided to try the movie section instead. With you everything is about a "competition" to show the Russians are superior. Even your last comment on the recent drone strike is like that. I could equally say how about the anti missile defences of Israel when Iraq was sending Scuds there ?
You said it was "controversial" to say NZ and Aussie soldiers are better than Russians. I am talking individual soldiers and as I indicated a lot of the Russian army is conscripts. Nothing controversial about it all. It is my opinion.
Of course people on this forum are aware of heroic acts by USA and Aussie forces in Afghanistan. However we don't feel the need to constantly list them.
Since you are so excited about the drones strike how would you compare the navy of Russia against USA ? How many aircraft carriers do the Russians have ?
By the way I hope you noted there was hazing in the movie The 9th Company.
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Re: Russian in Afghanistan The “9th Company"
Well, there's nothing can be done. The Comic Generation.
They do have a clip thinking, if the info checking required more than 2 min they just scip it.
1. I don’t give a toss about this cooked-up hoolywood hero rambo- bambo or whatever his name. He is a fairytale anyway.
2. Could you please at least try to spend a time to learn the facts before you post them. Thanks.
List of the Australian servicemen awarded the Victoria Cross
1. Mark Gregor Strang Donaldson VC - 2008
2. Benjamin Roberts-Smith VC - 2010
3. Daniel Alan Keighran VC - 2010
4. Cameron Stewart Baird VC - 2013
I personally woud like to ad to this list the New Zealandre Cpl. Willie Apiata VC 2007 a real hero.
Waine, please read this and remember this I do not separate soldiers for your and mine
All of them deserved our respect !
Fo your information:
Just for the last war in Syria
21 Russian officers and soldiers won the Hero of the Russian Federation
5 of them posthumously
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военная_операция_России_в_Сирии
Prokhorenko, Alexander Alexandrovich
Last battle
On March 17, 2016, Prokhorenko, who had been behind enemy lines for a week, was surrounded by militants of the Islamic State in the area of the village of Tadmor (Homs province, Syria). The senior lieutenant joined the battle with the terrorists, and not wanting to surrender, he called in an air strike on himself. Together with the heroically deceased Prokhorenko, the militants of the “Islamic State” [1] [4] [5] surrounding him were also destroyed.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прохоренко,_Александр_Александрович
Major Roman Nikolaevich Filipov
Last battle
On February 3, 2018, while flying over the Idlib de-escalation zone to control the ceasefire, the paired Russian Su-25SM attack aircraft, led by Major Filipov near the city of Serakib, was shot down [12] by a shot from a portable anti-aircraft missile system. Journalists V. N. Baranets and A. I. Kots note that, according to the experts interviewed by them, MANPADS was, presumably, the Stinger system [13]; according to other sources, it was a Soviet-made MANPADS. A member of the Syrian group "Jaysh Idlib Khur" Mahmoud Haj Ismail with the call sign "Castro" said that he shot down a Russian attack aircraft from the anti-aircraft installation ZU-23-2 [14]. The pilot tried to keep the plane in the air and reported that he was attacked by a rocket, after which he ejected. On the ground, the pilot was surrounded by militants and died in the ensuing battle: while firing on the attackers with a Stechkin pistol, he was seriously injured, and then blew himself up with a grenade with the words “This is for our guys!” [3] [13] [15]. The second pilot supported the commander with fire from the air, carried out several attacks, and worked on vehicles that were approaching the olive grove where Roman was. He destroyed two cars and left the area only when an emergency amount of fuel was left [16].
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Филипов,_Роман_Николаевич
Colonel Raffle Khabibullin and Eugene Dolgin
On July 8, 2016, in the Homs province of Syria, Russian instructor pilots flew around the Syrian Mi-25 helicopter (export version of the Mi-24) with ammunition.
Having broken through the defense east of Palmyra, a large detachment of IS militants attacked the positions of the Syrian troops and rapidly moved inland.
The crew of the Mi-25 decided to attack the terrorists. Having used up ammunition, the helicopter, when turning to the opposite course, was hit by fire from the ground and fell in an area controlled by the Syrian government army.
Both crew members were killed - pilot Colonel Ryafagat Khabibullin and pilot-operator Lieutenant Evgeny Dolgin.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хабибуллин,_Ряфагать_Махмутович
Well, there's nothing can be done. The Comic Generation.
They do have a clip thinking, if the info checking required more than 2 min they just scip it.
1. I don’t give a toss about this cooked-up hoolywood hero rambo- bambo or whatever his name. He is a fairytale anyway.
2. Could you please at least try to spend a time to learn the facts before you post them. Thanks.
List of the Australian servicemen awarded the Victoria Cross
1. Mark Gregor Strang Donaldson VC - 2008
2. Benjamin Roberts-Smith VC - 2010
3. Daniel Alan Keighran VC - 2010
4. Cameron Stewart Baird VC - 2013
I personally woud like to ad to this list the New Zealandre Cpl. Willie Apiata VC 2007 a real hero.
Waine, please read this and remember this I do not separate soldiers for your and mine
All of them deserved our respect !
Fo your information:
Just for the last war in Syria
21 Russian officers and soldiers won the Hero of the Russian Federation
5 of them posthumously
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Военная_операция_России_в_Сирии
Prokhorenko, Alexander Alexandrovich
Last battle
On March 17, 2016, Prokhorenko, who had been behind enemy lines for a week, was surrounded by militants of the Islamic State in the area of the village of Tadmor (Homs province, Syria). The senior lieutenant joined the battle with the terrorists, and not wanting to surrender, he called in an air strike on himself. Together with the heroically deceased Prokhorenko, the militants of the “Islamic State” [1] [4] [5] surrounding him were also destroyed.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Прохоренко,_Александр_Александрович
Major Roman Nikolaevich Filipov
Last battle
On February 3, 2018, while flying over the Idlib de-escalation zone to control the ceasefire, the paired Russian Su-25SM attack aircraft, led by Major Filipov near the city of Serakib, was shot down [12] by a shot from a portable anti-aircraft missile system. Journalists V. N. Baranets and A. I. Kots note that, according to the experts interviewed by them, MANPADS was, presumably, the Stinger system [13]; according to other sources, it was a Soviet-made MANPADS. A member of the Syrian group "Jaysh Idlib Khur" Mahmoud Haj Ismail with the call sign "Castro" said that he shot down a Russian attack aircraft from the anti-aircraft installation ZU-23-2 [14]. The pilot tried to keep the plane in the air and reported that he was attacked by a rocket, after which he ejected. On the ground, the pilot was surrounded by militants and died in the ensuing battle: while firing on the attackers with a Stechkin pistol, he was seriously injured, and then blew himself up with a grenade with the words “This is for our guys!” [3] [13] [15]. The second pilot supported the commander with fire from the air, carried out several attacks, and worked on vehicles that were approaching the olive grove where Roman was. He destroyed two cars and left the area only when an emergency amount of fuel was left [16].
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Филипов,_Роман_Николаевич
Colonel Raffle Khabibullin and Eugene Dolgin
On July 8, 2016, in the Homs province of Syria, Russian instructor pilots flew around the Syrian Mi-25 helicopter (export version of the Mi-24) with ammunition.
Having broken through the defense east of Palmyra, a large detachment of IS militants attacked the positions of the Syrian troops and rapidly moved inland.
The crew of the Mi-25 decided to attack the terrorists. Having used up ammunition, the helicopter, when turning to the opposite course, was hit by fire from the ground and fell in an area controlled by the Syrian government army.
Both crew members were killed - pilot Colonel Ryafagat Khabibullin and pilot-operator Lieutenant Evgeny Dolgin.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Хабибуллин,_Ряфагать_Махмутович
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Hi everyone.
For some reasons this topic became a bit tosic and it is really frustrated me.
I think some of us (me included) have foggoten that this forum had been created to let a man meet another man for a friendly chat not for a fight.
All of us have a beliefs and it is great when a man defend his position with a passion but there’s a line no one should not transgress.
So to cut it short: My appologies if I offended anyone.
I hope we can have a discussion with more respect to a interlocutor in future.
Thanks.
Serge.
For some reasons this topic became a bit tosic and it is really frustrated me.
I think some of us (me included) have foggoten that this forum had been created to let a man meet another man for a friendly chat not for a fight.
All of us have a beliefs and it is great when a man defend his position with a passion but there’s a line no one should not transgress.
So to cut it short: My appologies if I offended anyone.
I hope we can have a discussion with more respect to a interlocutor in future.
Thanks.
Serge.
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Hello Serge
Yes, I do recall the Beslan school massacre in 2004- it happened on my birthday unfortunately and I always pause to reflect on the terrible loss of innocence on that day. It was incredibly tragic.
To answer your question regarding American valor in Afghanistan, yes, there are currently 13 awardees of the Medal of Honor who are still living who received their MOH while serving in Afghanistan in particular. Here is the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_Medal_of_Honor_recipients
I'm not really sure that using MOH's awarded during a particular war is a air measure of any country's military expertise though I do know we did overrun Afghanistan several weeks after the events of 9-11 with a Brigade of Special Forces troopers and combat air support. It is what it is.
Overrunning a country is one thing, nation building so that they can stand on their own as responsible global citizens is quite another. Both Russia and the US struggled mightily in that area as, in my opinion, the Afghanis (or probably more accurately stated their leadership) simply don't want to move them out of the caves and huts they live in. Germany and Japan wanted to get WW2 over with and move on with their lives. They were industrialized nations prior to the onset of WW2, none of the countries the US has been involved with since has any grasp of what that was like so they don't try to achieve it- they simply don't know it exists.
Best regards
CC
Yes, I do recall the Beslan school massacre in 2004- it happened on my birthday unfortunately and I always pause to reflect on the terrible loss of innocence on that day. It was incredibly tragic.
To answer your question regarding American valor in Afghanistan, yes, there are currently 13 awardees of the Medal of Honor who are still living who received their MOH while serving in Afghanistan in particular. Here is the list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_living_Medal_of_Honor_recipients
I'm not really sure that using MOH's awarded during a particular war is a air measure of any country's military expertise though I do know we did overrun Afghanistan several weeks after the events of 9-11 with a Brigade of Special Forces troopers and combat air support. It is what it is.
Overrunning a country is one thing, nation building so that they can stand on their own as responsible global citizens is quite another. Both Russia and the US struggled mightily in that area as, in my opinion, the Afghanis (or probably more accurately stated their leadership) simply don't want to move them out of the caves and huts they live in. Germany and Japan wanted to get WW2 over with and move on with their lives. They were industrialized nations prior to the onset of WW2, none of the countries the US has been involved with since has any grasp of what that was like so they don't try to achieve it- they simply don't know it exists.
Best regards
CC
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Hi Chris.
Thanks for the link.
Great soldier stories. Love that!
Yes, you are right about the Afghanis.
No one can change the way those people live.
Rudyard Kipling ones sad: East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet.
Now come back to the “9th company".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIdFLGjaWfU&frags=pl,wn
Here is about the Islam and Afghanis from the movie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MtwVzA8aew&t=4s&frags=pl,wn
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Serge.