Russians recast in Russia? (1 Viewer)

I saw the link you provided. If you click at "see seller`s other items" you`ll fall on your back! It`s more than copyright infringement, it`s pure piracy!!{eek3}
 

There is a lot of copying going on in Russia, has been for a long time. There are only two things you can do that are effective. The first is to choose not to buy copies. The second is to let the original maker know, or the copyright holder, if it's not the same person, because he's the only one who has any standing to do anything.

Prost!
Brad
 
Maybe this is the cheap range being tested on the QT!!
Mitch
 
Clearly they are recasts of King&Country figures.The only issue now is based on the sellers location how difficult it will
be to get him to stop selling these copies.
 
Has anyone PM's or otherwise contacted Andy? That's the thing to do. He may see the post the next time he checks in, but it's up to him to decide to follow up or not.

Prost!
Brad
 
I saw the link you provided. If you click at "see seller`s other items" you`ll fall on your back! It`s more than copyright infringement, it`s pure piracy!!{eek3}

Hit the "Report item" link right above the auction Item Number and you can select the respective Violation Category (i.e. Copyright, Trademark); the Reason for the report; and finally the Detailed Reason which I assume would just be the counterfeit selection. Hope this helps a bit.

Print | Report item
DescriptionShipping and payments
Item number:281107000507
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.

Thanks,
Marc
 
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Hit the "Report item" link right above the auction Item Number and you can select the respective Violation Category (i.e. Copyright, Trademark); the Reason for the report; and finally the Detailed Reason which I assume would just be the counterfeit selection. Hope this helps a bit.

Print | Report item
DescriptionShipping and payments
Item number:281107000507
Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.

Thanks,
Marc

Marc

Do you really think ebay will do anything other than say it's ok. That the seller is selling unpainted castings which K&C does not - that all the K&C figures are painted. Have I become that cynical about ebay{eek3}

Terry
 
Marc

Do you really think ebay will do anything other than say it's ok. That the seller is selling unpainted castings which K&C does not - that all the K&C figures are painted. Have I become that cynical about ebay{eek3}

Terry

Too cynical might be pushing it! However, I still firmly believe in trying. There is also a message box for added details and I would have to imagine that contact logistics from the CEO himself might just provide enough thrust to ground or at least stall this operation assuming it is illegal...and in this case I am unless Andy posts otherwise on the Forum.

Check Six,
Marc
 
Has anyone PM's or otherwise contacted Andy? That's the thing to do. He may see the post the next time he checks in, but it's up to him to decide to follow up or not.

Prost!
Brad

I think it is best that someone from K&C contact ebay. They have the resources to put in a proper case to ebay and likely get a better response than if an individual does it.

Terry
 
I think it is best that someone from K&C contact ebay. They have the resources to put in a proper case to ebay and likely get a better response than if an individual does it.

Terry

We agree. K&C is the only one who has legal standing to do anything.

Prost!
Brad
 
I have no knowledge about copy right or steeling others ideas in any field. So I ponder this question . Did not K&C do some copies of old Airfix plastic soldiers and make them into painted metal figures when they were beginning. Is this the same thing or is there a difference between the two. Was there no copy right back then on the airfix figures and does K&C have copy right on it's figures. If they stole the moulds I can understand that it would be illegal but just to copy some great sculpted figures and sell as your own with out using K&C packaging or name . Can you guy's help me here and tell me what the big issue is here. Chris.
 
I have no knowledge about copy right or steeling others ideas in any field. So I ponder this question . Did not K&C do some copies of old Airfix plastic soldiers and make them into painted metal figures when they were beginning. Is this the same thing or is there a difference between the two. Was there no copy right back then on the airfix figures and does K&C have copy right on it's figures. If they stole the moulds I can understand that it would be illegal but just to copy some great sculpted figures and sell as your own with out using K&C packaging or name . Can you guy's help me here and tell me what the big issue is here. Chris.
Good question.....I hope you get a good reply.....from various discussion on copyright on this forum over the past 12 months...some forum member's take it seriously...other think it a joke and the rest dont care......there are so many different opinions that I have ceased to question copyright anymore even though I would like an answer to copywrite on certain popular TV figures which I wont attempt to make because if you question if the maker has the right to make these figures you get howled down by the usual suspects........cheers TomB
 
Good question.....I hope you get a good reply.....from various discussion on copyright on this forum over the past 12 months...some forum member's take it seriously...other think it a joke and the rest dont care......there are so many different opinions that I have ceased to question copyright anymore even though I would like an answer to copywrite on certain popular TV figures which I wont attempt to make because if you question if the maker has the right to make these figures you get howled down by the usual suspects........cheers TomB

I would like to know more about copyright and if this Russian guy has done anything wrong. About getting howled down by the usual suspects you must be reading another toy soldier forum . This one is ok and I think the mods do a good job over all. Chris.
 
I would like to know more about copyright and if this Russian guy has done anything wrong. About getting howled down by the usual suspects you must be reading another toy soldier forum . This one is ok and I think the mods do a good job over all. Chris.
The mods do a great job.......go back a few months and read some of the copywrite discussions...there are many and varied...it may answer your question...cheers TomB
 
The mods do a great job.......go back a few months and read some of the copywrite discussions...there are many and varied...it may answer your question...cheers TomB

No need for that Tom. I am sure you are correct as there are plenty of issues talked about on this forum but I am not one for scratching around back posts to make any point. Keep well and I look forward to some more of you sculpts as they are eye openers with the materials you use.

Chris.
 
I have no knowledge about copy right or steeling others ideas in any field. So I ponder this question . Did not K&C do some copies of old Airfix plastic soldiers and make them into painted metal figures when they were beginning. Is this the same thing or is there a difference between the two. Was there no copy right back then on the airfix figures and does K&C have copy right on it's figures. If they stole the moulds I can understand that it would be illegal but just to copy some great sculpted figures and sell as your own with out using K&C packaging or name . Can you guy's help me here and tell me what the big issue is here. Chris.

Hi, Chris,

You may be right, that K&C copied Airfix figures. It's up to Airfix to pursue it, if they hold the copyright.

The big issue is that there is a legal principle that someone who creates something has the right to profit from his creation, at least for a specific span of years. That encourages inventors, innovators, artists, etc, to produce and share their work with the rest of us. That's why we have patents, trademarks and copyrights. Brad (jazzeum) is more expert on the subject and can provide more details than this high-level description that I've given.

As far as we collectors are concerned, we can educate ourselves on spotting fakes, and decide whether to buy or not to buy a pirated piece.

But generally speaking, it's the holder of the patent, copyright, trademark, who has any kind of standing to pursue the pirate legally. I suspect that many don't bother. For a company like Airfix, they might decide that it's not worth the expense to pursue K&C. But a single artist, sculpting, casting and painting figures in his garage and selling them, might feel otherwise. Or he might be stuck, because the pirate has more resources behind him, and the artist can't afford to pursue it.

That's the big issue.

Prost!
Brad
 
I personally prefer the factory made and painted originals. Isn't that we all pay for and wanted in the first place ....
A well detailed and painted miniature straight out of the box :wink2:
 
Hi, Chris,

You may be right, that K&C copied Airfix figures. It's up to Airfix to pursue it, if they hold the copyright.

The big issue is that there is a legal principle that someone who creates something has the right to profit from his creation, at least for a specific span of years. That encourages inventors, innovators, artists, etc, to produce and share their work with the rest of us. That's why we have patents, trademarks and copyrights. Brad (jazzeum) is more expert on the subject and can provide more details than this high-level description that I've given.

As far as we collectors are concerned, we can educate ourselves on spotting fakes, and decide whether to buy or not to buy a pirated piece.

But generally speaking, it's the holder of the patent, copyright, trademark, who has any kind of standing to pursue the pirate legally. I suspect that many don't bother. For a company like Airfix, they might decide that it's not worth the expense to pursue K&C. But a single artist, sculpting, casting and painting figures in his garage and selling them, might feel otherwise. Or he might be stuck, because the pirate has more resources behind him, and the artist can't afford to pursue it.

That's the big issue.

Prost!
Brad

Brad,

I think you've hit the issue right on the head. Intellectual property laws exist to protect the inventor, creator, etc. of the work so he/she can profit from those efforts. However, being right doesn't always mean it's always financially feasible to prosecute an infringer.

The Other Brad
 

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