RUSSIANS !! The Battle is LOST before it has begun ! (1 Viewer)

[Capitolron]

Here are some of my K&C Napoleonics - Russians !

Awaiting a sure and quick death from the Grande Armee

 

[wellington]

Very nice set up.....




WELLINGTON

 

[Harrytheheid]

Here are some of my K&C Napoleonics - Russians !

Awaiting a sure and quick death from the Grande Armee

That looks like a really nice display Ron. Well, actually it looks like it might be, but unfortunately, I left my telescope at home today.....
Cheers
H

 

[chiefs70]

Hmmmm, I see the Russians have Winter at their back... Nappy better look out as I have a feeling things are about to take a turn for the worse for Ol' Boney and his boys...

 

[kilted vampire]

That is what it is ! It is all snow. Uh Ron, I don't know how to tell you this but Shorty lost that one!

 

[Capitolron]

KV

I speak of 1805 - Austerlitz !

The DEFEAT of THE THIRD COALITION !

www.napoleonguide.com/campaign_3coalit.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Third_Coalition

 

[Capitolron]

It has always been interesting to me that when british allies speak of NAPOLEON it always falls around 1) Russia campaign & 2) Waterloo

There were several years upon years of Victories that never seem to make it into the discussion ? Hmmmm.....Wonder if thats why it is called....wait for it.....

THE NAPOLEONIC PERIOD !

 

[wellington]

Who won the war.....Don't wait for it cause its coming your way whether you like it or not



WELLINGTON


FOR KING AND COUNTRY....



WELLINGTON...

NOT TO MENTION THE BUTT KICKING WE GAVE THEM AT SEA BY MY OTHER HERO NELSON!!!!

 

[Rob]

Sad fact is Ron,ask anyone who is not a History Buff what was the most famous battle Napoleon fought in and the answer you will get nine out of ten times is 'Waterloo'.His most famous battle and his biggest defeat,its why we named a station after it!

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

Rob

True - It was the final battle of an ERA in Europe.

But, You have to admit the man was a genius at Warfare and had many Victories across Europe - against many Empires - that the tactics are still being study to this day.

Ron

 

[wellington]

UNTIL HE MET.......SIT DOWN RON........
WELLINGTON....




WELLINGTON

 

[Rob]

Absolutely Ron,he was indeed a genius and i don't think anyone can deny that.And as you say an era is named after him.However as with many of the great warriors of History perhaps Waterloo was just one battle too far.Is it possible Ron that Waterloo saw Napoleon past his best whilst it was Wellingtons turn to shine?.(as Napoleon had done for many years).Can you accept Ron that the Brits didn't 'get lucky' on that day but stood firm and took everything Napoleon could throw at them and in the end out fought the French?.This is no slur on Napoleon,its a fair and justified recognition of the British army and Wellingtons performance that day.

Rob

 

[wellington]

Thank-you Rob I agree....Ron take the time to look at my Wellington Thread (documentary)it talks about Napoleon being an expert on the attack...but....Wellington being an expert at defense.....very interresting documentary, it was a world championship so to speak. very much like a chess game, which decided the fate of Europe.

Don't worry Ron I still luv ya....



WELLINGTON

 

[Capitolron]

Gentlemen

I totally agree that Wellington was a great General of his time as well. He was very terrain driven and knew how to use the tactics of the day to his advantage.

At Waterloo - No Doubt in my mind the world shifted to a English driven World by the resolve of the British Soldiers who fought that day. I would call them "RED STEEL" from Cannon Fire, Calvary Attacks and finally the Old Guard.

In the Hundred Days - it really wasnt a failure of Napoleon's fighting spirit - but, more of blunders of NEY which cost the Grand Armee their Total Victories.

Ron

 

[Rob]

Now that Ron sounds like a fair and even handed response to me.There is a new Osprey book on British army tactics from the period.It states the British army were never beaten by the French in a large open field battle.Now if we take Wellingtons statement that Napoleon was the master of attack and Wellington of defence,we can only imagine how different the whole campaign might have been if the two old warriors had met more than once.Would Napoleons dash and verve have swept all aside or would Wellingtons resolve have won through?.Napoleon was without doubt one of the greatest generals in the history of Warfare and deserved the era named after him.Wellington deserves his place for defeating a legend.(and Ney derserves a kick up the a***)

Rob

 

[wellington]

I wouldn't blam it all on NEY, it was Napoleon who put him in this position to start with.....only my opinion but maybe some of the mistakes Napoleon made were easily blamed on Ney....in some ways Ney has been shafted with all the errors made....


I have to admit that there is one thing that really bothers me about Napoleon....he was known for leaving his men behind when things got bad costing them their lives while Napoleon would head back to France and report his successes to the French government when it wasn't true......The French troops of Napoleons army were expert veterens who LOVED and trusted Napoleon....I don't know how a general could do this to the men who would follow him into hell and back.

This happened more than once...and in my opinion only to make himself look good while his army suffered at his decision making.

 

[Rob]

Don't you think though that a great general has to both love his men but at the same time observe a healthy distance for purposes of morale and discipline?.Not an easy balance to strike.Wellington famously described his men as the 'Scum of the earth' and was quick to execute wrong doers.

Rob

 

[wellington]

I don't think a general should be calling his men scum of the earth either...it can't do much for moral....I think it was the documentary that I posted that said this statement was taken out of context...but none the less wrong....
I don't think that a general should continue to ask his men to do the impossible and if his decision making was wrong slip out the back door....I would have more respect if he stayed and tried to save some of his men....If you look at a general such as General LEE he would never have done this...he would have surrendered before slipping out the back door...

WELLINGTON

 

[Rob]

Am i right in thinking Wellington had men executed for looting and running riot in a city following a battle,i just can't remember the name?

Rob

 

[damian]

Siege of Badajoz it was Rob.