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Hi,
Does anybody have any tips on 1/30th scale sandbags...are there any (cheap) solutions available?

Thanks

Pete
 
I've used TAMYIA 1/35 which look OK scale wise.

This is what I did for Wayne on a Figarti Wagon, and with a TGM A/A gun and crew and K&C searchlight.

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John
 
John is spot on here plus I find a combination of both Tamyia and Italeri works well. Below is Italeri.
Wayne.
 

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waynepoo said:
John is spot on here plus I find a combination of both Tamyia and Italeri works well. Below is Italeri.
Wayne.
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Tamiya are cheaper, well that's in my local hobby shop here in Perth.

John
 
Thanks for the advice chaps!

Another question. Can anybody suggest some paint colours for sandbags? This would be for WW1, Western front.

Thanks

Pete
 
If you can get hold of some plaster of paris bandages cut out a square piece,fold it to the size you need, dip in water and then as it is drying you can mold it to shape with you fingers. this method allows you to make really effective rows of bags as you can mold each new row to the lower one. it takes a bit of practice to get the right amount of folds but once you get it right it is quite a fast technique. you can even with a little practice by rubbing off the top layer of plaster as it is drying expose the weave of the bandage and when the bags have thouroughly dried paint and then drybrush this picks up on the weave and leaves you with IMO really realistic sandbags.....good luck!!.


Steve
 
Checkout Treefrog's Manufacturer's list...under Juweela Scenics...sandbags. Comes in set of 50 sandbags
 

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Bessieres said:
make 'em yourself out of Play Doh
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Some will laugh, but I have made sandbags out of foam packing peanuts. I shape them, glue them together with a mix of white glue/superglue. When dry, sand and shape end setup, then paint using weathering( dab of antique white,yellow,light browns till they look right..Michael
 
Play-Doh is a good suggestion. That's close to how Shep Paine made them for his Sherman dioramas for Monogram, back in the day. He used putty, and pressed a piece of an old T-shirt onto the surface, for the texture. You could use Milliput, Green Stuff, Aves A&B, Sculpey, or even an air-drying clay. Look at your local hobby shop, or arts-and-crafts store (eg, Michael's, AC Moore, HobbyLobby).

As far as colors go, anything in the range from khaki to light tan would be appropriate.

Prost!
Brad
 
Interesting topic, but I do have a question. Does anyone know when sandbags were first used as "defensive mechanism" ?
Iv'e seen them in US Civil War photos, but was that the first time?

For me, the question is mostly for using them in a War of 1812 or American Revolution scene.

Thanks folks.

--- LaRRy
 
Larry Allen said:
Interesting topic, but I do have a question. Does anyone know when sandbags were first used as "defensive mechanism" ?
Iv'e seen them in US Civil War photos, but was that the first time?

For me, the question is mostly for using them in a War of 1812 or American Revolution scene.

Thanks folks.

--- LaRRy
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Instruments of War: Weapons and Technologies That Have Changed History ...By Spencer C. Tucker states

"Used since at least the 19th Century and ever since. First recorded instance However used by Loyalists defending Fort Ninety Six, South Carolina during the American Revolutionary War (1775-1783)"

But it was generally accepted Sand Bags were used on any large scale was during the Crimean War of 1854 at the Battle and Siege of Savastapol. The ground was so sandy in places that to form a trench wall when little wood was available some British Soldiers beseiging improvised and used abandoned grain bags from their provisions the Port and Vessels then laying abandoned. So successful were they that large scale production and supply for sand bags started during this war.
 
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Captain Smart said:
Instruments of War: Weapons and Technologies That Have Changed History ...By Spencer C. Tucker states

"Used since at least the 19th Century and ever since. First recorded instance However used by Loyalists defending Fort Ninety Six, South Carolina during the American Revolutionary War (1775-1783)"

But it was generally accepted Sand Bags were used on any large scale was during the Crimean War of 1854 at the Battle and Siege of Savastapol. The ground was so sandy in places that to form a trench wall when little wood was available some British Soldiers beseiging improvised and used abandoned grain bags from their provisions the Port and Vessels then laying abandoned. So successful were they that large scale production and supply for sand bags started during this war.
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Thank you Captain ... good information.

So for my AWI and 1812 scenes it looks like fallen trees, logs, rocks and redoubts of dirt are the best options. To bad, since making sand bags looked like it was easy and fun. I'll have to do some more research on Fort Ninety Six.
Again thanks for the effort.

--- LaRRy
 
Larry Allen said:
Thank you Captain ... good information.

So for my AWI and 1812 scenes it looks like fallen trees, logs, rocks and redoubts of dirt are the best options. To bad, since making sand bags looked like it was easy and fun. I'll have to do some more research on Fort Ninety Six.
Again thanks for the effort.

--- LaRRy
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Larry, gabions were certainly in use. Chris
 
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Larry, gabions were certainly in use. Chris
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Hummmm ...:rolleyes2:n.... really! Now that is interesting.

I would have guessed that taking the time to build a "Gabion" would have been a negative factor in their use. Seems like most AWI battles and skirmishes were not against fortified positions but more open fields or wooded areas.

I have seen 1000's of paintings and pictures of Gabions in the Civil War and beyond but not for AWI or 1812 .... :redface2:

Can you tell me where you discovered this fact?

Of course building a series of Gabions (for a diorama) might be a trick! Anyone built one before???

Thanks Chris!
--- LaRRy

PS: I did a bit of reading on Fort Ninety Six and YES they do mention them, but I didn't see their use in the reconstruction of the fort as it is today ... but I'll keep looking.
 
Larry Allen said:
Hummmm ...:rolleyes2:n.... really! Now that is interesting.

I would have guessed that taking the time to build a "Gabion" would have been a negative factor in their use. Seems like most AWI battles and skirmishes were not against fortified positions but more open fields or wooded areas.

I have seen 1000's of paintings and pictures of Gabions in the Civil War and beyond but not for AWI or 1812 .... :redface2:

Can you tell me where you discovered this fact?

Of course building a series of Gabions (for a diorama) might be a trick! Anyone built one before???

Thanks Chris!
--- LaRRy

PS: I did a bit of reading on Fort Ninety Six and YES they do mention them, but I didn't see their use in the reconstruction of the fort as it is today ... but I'll keep looking.
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My, aren't we prickly today!

Field fortifications constructed at Boston 1776, during the British siege of Charleston and the American/French siege of Yorktown come to mind where Gabions could have and probably were used.
This site: http://xenophongroup.com/mcjoynt/yrtnsieg.htm
states the use of Gabions during the Yorktown siege, "30 September, As allied engineers planned the layout of siege lines, troops began construction of gabions, fascines and other items for siege warfare. British artillery attempted to disrupt the allied efforts."

I suppose you could weave your own baskets Larry. I used some resin based versions. Yes, I know this is not AWI, but is what I used and illustrates what's available.



Cheers
Chris
 
Thank you again. Wonderful photos for examples.

Oh yes .. that was an interesting link, thank you.
Larry
 
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