SdKfz 232 DAK (1 Viewer)

[stevel40831]

I received my pre-ordered SdKfz 232 DAK today and when I opened the box the main gun was broken off and loose inside the box. Can someone confirm that the gun should be attached? It does appear to have broken off but I may be able to fix it with a spot of glue and some touch up paint. I am fairly new to the Collectors Showcase pieces and wonder what others would do in this case -- repair it or contact CS for a replacement?

Thanks!

Steve

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I received my pre-ordered SdKfz 232 DAK today and when I opened the box the main gun was broken off and loose inside the box. Can someone confirm that the gun should be attached? It does appear to have broken off but I may be able to fix it with a spot of glue and some touch up paint. I am fairly new to the Collectors Showcase pieces and wonder what others would do in this case -- repair it or contact CS for a replacement?

Thanks!

Steve

CS is very good at standing behind their product. I would contact where you bought it for a replacement or directly with CS.

Terry

 

[johngambale]

Hello Brian! Just Received my DAK SDKFZ-232, its Beautiful BUT, the RAdio Antennae, keeps falling OFF and the Hole on the Rear wasn't Drilled enough -also the Tipod on thr turret that suppossed to support the Radio antennae , doesn't fit properly! ---- OVERALL, the Tripod and Radio Antennae and the Front Grille Guard, should have been made of METAL instead of Plastic, Last the Wheels dont Rotate! I know you make Great WW2 Sets, but when we have to spend $150.00US and MORE we Collectors want the Best for the Money! Please tell the Marketing in China to do much better in the Future! CIAO!

 

[villagehorse]

Thanks Brian, Normandy 232 8-rad came today, happy to have it. Front grille broken in box, both struts had come away and floating in the back of the vehicle. All can be put fine with some glue. Rotating wheels would have been a nice touch. As stated glad to have it. Cheers, Robin.

 

[uksubs]

Starting to be a regular thing with Cs that they come broken and maybe they should come already with a tube of super glue ! For me it a on going problem with packaging that need to be put right .poor show by CS

 

[Mitch]

I fix stuff and repaint but, still at the end of the day you pay your money for a set not to be broken and have to glue it yourself. I would return it for a complete one.

Neil...

Love the superglue idea!!!!!LOL
Mitch

Starting to be a regular thing with Cs that they come broken and maybe they should come already with a tube of super glue ! For me it a on going problem with packaging that need to be put right .poor show by CS

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Thanks Brian, Normandy 232 8-rad came today, happy to have it. Front grille broken in box, both struts had come away and floating in the back of the vehicle. All can be put fine with some glue. Rotating wheels would have been a nice touch. As stated glad to have it. Cheers, Robin.

Such a tough model, very cool but tough in regards to the framing parts. Really at the end of the day the 232 has three frame assemblies! The front frame, the turret frame, the antennae top. My goodness how we worked with the box plan: oh how we evaluated the prospect of shipping the grill in a separate compartment vs. the customer having to assemble it.

But as folks are finding once its assembled what an excellent vehicle, I took my winter home two days ago and had some of the same issue, fixed it quick enough but I would have preferred not having to do anything. As per usual contact me if there are any problems, we'll do whatever it takes. But I'm glad folks are happy to own it ( Normandy: 5 units remaining ). You guys are the best and we'll keep trying to do the complex models and perfect the shipping at the same time.

Enjoy!

Best regards,

Brian

 

[maddadicus]

Thanks Brian, Normandy 232 8-rad came today, happy to have it. Front grille broken in box, both struts had come away and floating in the back of the vehicle. All can be put fine with some glue. Rotating wheels would have been a nice touch. As stated glad to have it. Cheers, Robin.

I am grateful that my dealer opens up each box before it is shipped to his customers. It seems like such a simple, common sense thing to do by any dealer to avoid the customer having issues..Michael

 

[maddadicus]

Because of recent CS overscale issues, I had my dealer measure the model before I chose to buy it. I received it safe and sound and really like the detail and Africa paint scheme. As to size, using my convert charts, it is close enough to legit 1/30 scale and fits in with most all other mfg. For kicks, it would be nice if a member had a F/L and or K/C version to sit next to for a compare pic. I really miss the wheels not turning and may fix that myself....Otherwise, nice offering Brian. Michael

 

[buffalohibernia]

Because of recent CS overscale issues, I had my dealer measure the model before I chose to buy it. I received it safe and sound and really like the detail and Africa paint scheme. As to size, using my convert charts, it is close enough to legit 1/30 scale and fits in with most all other mfg. For kicks, it would be nice if a member had a F/L and or K/C version to sit next to for a compare pic. I really miss the wheels not turning and may fix that myself....Otherwise, nice offering Brian. Michael

I have both versions of the SdKfz 232. The FL one seems to be more toward the 1/32 nd scale side. It is smaller than CS version. Both have great detail but are not compatible side by side if you are a scale purist.

Fran

 

[Blowtorch]

I have both versions of the SdKfz 232. The FL one seems to be more toward the 1/32 nd scale side. It is smaller than CS version. Both have great detail but are not compatible side by side if you are a scale purist.

Fran

Both the FL & K&C are 1/30 exactly

 

[maddadicus]

Both the FL & K&C are 1/30 exactly

Is that because of any scale conversion programs used to verify ^&confuseor are we going with just because the owner says so:rolleyes2:...I used 2 different conversion programs for my opinion and have no problem boring folks about the actual data if wanted. I got the real life measurements from online and reference books ,punched them into a modelers 1/30 scale program to get downsized inches for the model. CS model fits within 1/4" of where it ought to on height, width and length..Michael

 

[Blowtorch]

Is that because of any scale conversion programs used to verify ^&confuseor are we going with just because the owner says so:rolleyes2:...I used 2 different conversion programs for my opinion and have no problem boring folks about the actual data if wanted. I got the real life measurements from online and reference books ,punched them into a modelers 1/30 scale program to get downsized inches for the model. CS model fits within 1/4" of where it ought to on height, width and length..Michael

I took the drawing out of George Bradford's book & resized it to 1/30. The FL & K&C models exactly superimpose over it. I don't think I will have time to snap a photo before Saturday. Out of curiosity I've been doing that to a lot of Bradford's drawings in the past few weeks to find out what is going on with scale in this hobby

It's pretty clear to me by now that CS has made a business decision to go with a new scale...1/28. Granted yes, it does look better with the K&C/CS size figs, but it's great for people in one demographic. NW Europe 1944/45. Being that CS has never made a Brit or Russian vehicle, or a pre-1943 German tank, the supersized CS scale is going to create a lot of awkwardness in a lot of people's dioramas that focus on something other than NW Europe 44/45. Perhaps CS plan is to broaden their horizons & focus on other periods & be comprehensive, but it's making a mixing headache for me as of this moment in time

 

[maddadicus]

I took the drawing out of George Bradford's book & resized it to 1/30. The FL & K&C models exactly superimpose over it. I don't think I will have time to snap a photo before Saturday. Out of curiosity I've been doing that to a lot of Bradford's drawings in the past few weeks to find out what is going on with scale in this hobby

It's pretty clear to me by now that CS has made a business decision to go with a new scale...1/28. Granted yes, it does look better with the K&C/CS size figs, but it's great for people in one demographic. NW Europe 1944/45. Being that CS has never made a Brit or Russian vehicle, or a pre-1943 German tank, the supersized CS scale is going to create a lot of awkwardness in a lot of people's dioramas that focus on something other than NW Europe 44/45. Perhaps CS plan is to broaden their horizons & focus on other periods & be comprehensive, but it's making a mixing headache for me as of this moment in time

How can the online conversion programs be that far off? I saw your other thread about the drawing comparison you did, which I thought was well done, but since most of us cannot duplicate your efforts, it makes it hard for us to hold any mfg's. feet to the scale fire without some actual factual backup. Would you mind measuring either of your other models in inches just to compare against the CS model? I still like the CS model, which seems fine next to my current collection of K/C and Figarti. Michael

 

[Hunter Rose]

Love these thread drifts on holding manufacturers feet to the fire for exact 1/30 scale conversions. How come no one wants to put King and Country's and all the other manufacturers feet to the fire and demand realistic 1/30 figures? You're only addressing half the ultimate issue, i.e. that everything matches in size and looks correct.

Honestly, the only two manufacturers products I can think of that figures and vehicles match in scale are Collector's Showcase and First Legion. Seems to me Collector's Showcase made a smart move, since First Legion's vehicles only really work with their figures, whereas CS vehicles work with the figures from King and Country, Thomas Gunn, etc.

Edited to add: Dang, just realized I got sucked into a scale thread derail. Sorry about that. Move along, there is nothing to see here.:salute::

 

[Mitch]

Hunter rose...

It should be accepted by all that manufacturers make larger figures. CS and K&C and TG. On the whole vehicle size is 1/30th or thereabouts. Why I think people discuss CS is that scale had dogged them from their very first releases and, much has been said from Brian about these scale issues over the years. Often, this has not been helpful to the issue.

Making AFV's or, at least the argument that they should move into line with larger figures for me, was a mistake. You cannot make the AFV's larger and, try to make it sound like doing so makes them fit with the figures and thus 1/30th which was done.

Many liked the big tiger (many did not) and, this was the only one done to this overscale. as I mentioned earlier with the jagdpanther thread they are now back in line with 1/30th and away from the 1/28th ish scale to align with the figures. This seems the case with the RAD and other stuff. so, when people ask about what size the new CS stuff will be they have a right to do so and, its not just aiming it at CS.

Much of the scale debate involving CS has come from the company and its attempts to see where they wish to be with that issue. I think looking back over the years they have never really decided what they want to be in terms of scale.

There is no confusion to this matter. make 1/30th AFV's that is simple, as these are based on determined measurements and, should be easy and, importantly, are not playable with manufacturers fancies. The figures are either going to be the larger scale we are used to produced by many manufacturers or, they reduce the size of the figures to 1/30th scale. its the only way to align the two. playing around with AFV scale and semantics does not solve the problem it only adds to it.
Mitch

 

[maddadicus]

Love these thread drifts on holding manufacturers feet to the fire for exact 1/30 scale conversions. How come no one wants to put King and Country's and all the other manufacturers feet to the fire and demand realistic 1/30 figures? You're only addressing half the ultimate issue, i.e. that everything matches in size and looks correct.

Honestly, the only two manufacturers products I can think of that figures and vehicles match in scale are Collector's Showcase and First Legion. Seems to me Collector's Showcase made a smart move, since First Legion's vehicles only really work with their figures, whereas CS vehicles work with the figures from King and Country, Thomas Gunn, etc.

Edited to add: Dang, just realized I got sucked into a scale thread derail. Sorry about that. Move along, there is nothing to see here.:salute::

How can this be a derail when we are talking about the object of the threads origin. I bought the Rad after passing on a number of CS recent releases because of their oversizing. I feel the RAD was not one of these and is a nice addition to my collection. SO WHATS THE BEEF.......Michael

 

[Hunter Rose]

Maddadicus,

No beef. If this is another scale discussion no problem. I just think that everyone of Collector's Showcase's tanks that have been labelled oversize (like the Panzer IV, Easy 8 Sherman, and Tiger) look way more realistic when their is a 60mm figure next to it than a "true" rivet counted 1/30 tank. I just want to see TCS continue making armor of whatever scale these tanks have been in, and don't want to see them downsize their armor to the size of King and Country.

I don't care in the least that my tanks measure/convert to 1/30 when the figures are 1/28. I care what it looks like when the tanks/figures are together on the shelf.

King and Country and other makers like Thomas Gunn have been very successful making 1/28 figures. In my opinion, I highly doubt this will ever change. Why would it? No one complains about the scale of these figures and tries to hold the manufacturers feet to the fire to make true 1/30 figures. No one complains, they just dismiss it with a "well, people are different heights." Sure people are different heights, but 1/30 math works for figures too, and I highly doubt that 99% of all German and Allied infantry was 7-8 feet tall.

Here's a WW2 pic, a true 1/30 Snow Tiger, and an "oversized" CS Winter Tiger.







I think the King and Country Tiger looks puny and the CS Tiger looks way better.

In the end I just like having the option to purchase armor that looks right with the figures. I don't want to see TCS move to making smaller armor like King and Country, Figarti, etc. I don't think I am alone in this. Plenty of company's make 1/30 tanks. TCS is the only one who consistenly makes armor that looks correct with figures. I just want to see this trend continue.

p.s. If anyone wants a true 1/30 King and Country Snow Tiger let me know, I am selling mine. Just the tank though, I am keeping the fingers to display in my CS Winter Tiger. :salute::

 

[Blowtorch]

Would you mind measuring either of your other models in inches just to compare against the CS model?

Alright, I measured the K&C, FL, & Bradford drawing resized to 1/30. The width measurements are by caliper, so are accurate, but the length might have some more error into it as I didn't have a caliper that long, & the FL has a tire in the rear which I had to work around

K&C L194.5mm W74.14mm
FL L191.5mm W71.50mm
Bradford L195.0mm W72.04mm

 

[Beaufighter]

Is that because of any scale conversion programs used to verify ^&confuseor are we going with just because the owner says so:rolleyes2:...I used 2 different conversion programs for my opinion and have no problem boring folks about the actual data if wanted. I got the real life measurements from online and reference books ,punched them into a modelers 1/30 scale program to get downsized inches for the model. CS model fits within 1/4" of where it ought to on height, width and length..Michael

Hi Michael,

I too use a conversion program having input actual spec. measurements as you have done. If anything, I do it for my own curiosity. In short, the numbers do not lie.