Self casting of Plumes for K&C Russian Guards (1 Viewer)

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I just came up with an idea of self casting the plumes for the upcoming Napoleonic Russian Guards release. Do you guys think it's gonna work?

I am just getting very upset that these Russians set are so well painted but losses authenticity without the plumes!
 
A possible easy option (although brave one, as it would mean drilling pilot holes in to the headgear) could be cut down and painted pipe cleaners.

Still not sure if I'd want to mess around with a newly purchased figure, but....


Simon
 
Get some wood putty and mold it around the existing K/C stub, let dry and sand it to your wants...Paint the appropriate color...I mess about, with my K/C figures all the time..Michael
 
I wouldn,t do this myself because I think you risk the chance of ruining the figure and would also affect the figures future value but if your serious about doing this I would form 2 part putty over a piece of thin heavy gauge wire and drill a very small hole into the shako and use a small amount of zap a gap to glue them in and touch up any paint when your done but paint the plumes first before inserting and then touch them up after.

I,ll live with mine as is though!
 
wow, even Mr. Fish (with a vast and elaborated collection on Napoleonic subjects) decides to tolerate the missing plumes on those proud Russian guards!:eek:

In fact I am contemplating if I plan to purchase any of the Russian Guards...

Just want a show of hands... how many of you will not buy the Russian Guards because there's no plumes?
 
Speaking for myself - I think the "plume argument" is a little much. :rolleyes:

Yes, it would be nice that everything that we buy would be 100% historically correct.

But, sometimes there are factors that require some changes - I am sure the fear of all those plumes breaking in shipping and the ugly cry from collectors / dealers alike on that event was probally one reason for a "NO PLUME" decision.

Another decision (IMHO) which was done for the collector is the cost factor. If you had plumes on those guys - it would require a LARGER BOX to pack it in and if Andy is trying to keep costs down on this individual figure - smaller boxes is one way to do that. Everything in packaging cost MONEY $$$ - all this factors in on the final price.

For me - I will be glad to give up the PLUMES for a lower cost figure - but thats just me.

What seems to amaze me is there is always this non-appreciation of the work that goes into help us the collector. Look - Andy could pushed the cost of figures through the roof five years ago when he knew he had reached the top of the industry - he didnt - instead he looked for more items and ways to improve all our collections.

I know that he is a businessman selling a product - but in the same sense ... profit is a motive he has not taken advantage of from us his collectors. All the time a few people get on the forum to gripe about this or that - some are using this place to work out their social disfunctions - whatever :rolleyes: - but, what we are fortunate is to have a great company to listen to us from time to time and make great wonderful Toy Soldiers.

Russian Soldiers Look Great ! Once again wonderful action and I for one am happy we are bringing in other Nations to the Napoleonic Period. Yes, they should have plumes - but, come on other than us - how many people in the general public know - or care?

I am sure the winds of the critics will dive on this defense of Andy and K&C - so let me say - I am directing my comments on the Russian Figures. As far as the other historic problems with other releases well thats another post for another day.

I appreciate all the work that King and Country puts in to provide wonderful Toy Soldiers for our collections. And I especially appreciate the efforts they take to keep the prices down for the average collector.

So can we calm down a bit and enjoy the figure for the look of the figure? Everyone has their right to complain and I guess thats what 50% of this forum has turned into - the complaining section ;)

But, lets give credit where credit is due and say THANK YOU for quality Toy Soldiers at a great price.

Lets end this with something we all have missed for sometime:

VIVE L'EMPERUER !

NAPOLEON !

:D :D :D
 
I had the intention to buy the Russian but will not because of their inaccuracy, no matter the reasons why the plumes are missing.

If K&C had decided to produce toy (soldiers) instead of military miniatures, it is too bad.

Pierre.
 
Ron raises some good points about the packaging. I've seen photos or pictures of what the Russian Guards look like and it wouldn't surprise me if not so much the cost but the concern about the plumes breaking off was a motivating factor in leaving them off. There's no point in making a great looking collectible if you can't deliver it safely to the collector.
 
jazzeum said:
Ron raises some good points about the packaging. I've seen photos or pictures of what the Russian Guards look like and it wouldn't surprise me if not so much the cost but the concern about the plumes breaking off was a motivating factor in leaving them off. There's no point in making a great looking collectible if you can't deliver it safely to the collector.
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Hi Brad-

IMHO, it is not a reason to produce them.

Mes meilleures amitiés,
Pierre.
 
Look,
I am the first to say I bought the Heydrich set and the Rammjager regardless of accuracy, I just liked the sets. BUT I am also the first to say on something like plumes, why leave them out? Packaging if that is a reason, kind of odd since they I believe have been done before by others. In this case, I would like them better if the plumes were present. I am not a big buyer of the K&C Napoleonics, but this is one set I will most likely skip.

TD
 
Capitolron said:
Speaking for myself - I think the "plume argument" is a little much. :rolleyes:

So can we calm down a bit and enjoy the figure for the look of the figure? Everyone has their right to complain and I guess thats what 50% of this forum has turned into - the complaining section ;)

But, lets give credit where credit is due and say THANK YOU for quality Toy Soldiers at a great price.

Lets end this with something we all have missed for sometime:

VIVE L'EMPERUER !

NAPOLEON !

:D :D :D
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Everyone has their right to complain and I guess thats what 50% of this forum has turned into - the complaining section

You know Ron.....on occasion you can be so perceptive.
Complete and utter drivel and a 100% NON-ISSUE.
Add plumes, don't add plumes. Please yourseves. Buy them, don't buy them. Please yourselves.......
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Pierre said:
Hi Brad-

IMHO, it is not a reason to produce them.

Mes meilleures amitiés,
Pierre.
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I would have to agree with you Pierre. If a job's worth doing.....it's worth doing right :)

I must say since joining the forum, I've noticed how enthusiastic you guys are about King & Country. One of the quotes in here suprised me though. I read it as though K&C were doing US a favour! and without them we wouldn't have our collections.

Regarding the plumes, all they had to do was make them separate, so when the collector receieved said item he/she just had to plug in the plume.
 
I'm sure K&C has produced figures with sharp edges which are very fragile in the past! Just look at all those bayonets on the marching figures (Napoleonic old guards, LAH on parade, etc...) In fact, I think K&C packaging has been very well done.

To recall, when I was a kid without earning power I used to walk into K&C's shop doing window shopping, several times I caught Gordon, while he was on sales duty, broke a couple of figures with his large hands when he took them out for display.:eek:

Back then the shop used to have a display section putting the broken pieces on discounted price (and I was only able to afford those).

With the newer, higher quality releases (and with Gordon hanging out less in the shop;)), K&C toy soldiers suffer much less casualty. So not adding the plumes because of the packaging problem is not the true reason. I just think that they've made a darn historical research mistake and seems like its too late to fix now.

Moreover, the Mounted Russian officer does have a nice plume!!!!!!
 
Capitolron said:
But, sometimes there are factors that require some changes - I am sure the fear of all those plumes breaking in shipping and the ugly cry from collectors / dealers alike on that event was probally one reason for a "NO PLUME" decision.

Another decision (IMHO) which was done for the collector is the cost factor. If you had plumes on those guys - it would require a LARGER BOX to pack it in and if Andy is trying to keep costs down on this individual figure - smaller boxes is one way to do that. Everything in packaging cost MONEY $$$ - all this factors in on the final price.

For me - I will be glad to give up the PLUMES for a lower cost figure - but thats just me.

Russian Soldiers Look Great ! Once again wonderful action and I for one am happy we are bringing in other Nations to the Napoleonic Period. Yes, they should have plumes - but, come on other than us - how many people in the general public know - or care?

I am sure the winds of the critics will dive on this defense of Andy and K&C - so let me say - I am directing my comments on the Russian Figures. As far as the other historic problems with other releases well thats another post for another day.

I appreciate all the work that King and Country puts in to provide wonderful Toy Soldiers for our collections. And I especially appreciate the efforts they take to keep the prices down for the average collector.

So can we calm down a bit and enjoy the figure for the look of the figure? Everyone has their right to complain and I guess thats what 50% of this forum has turned into - the complaining section ;)

But, lets give credit where credit is due and say THANK YOU for quality Toy Soldiers at a great price.
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Ron,

Being a K&C Napoleonic collector I have to agree with most of what you have said, but of course there are already figures which have plumes for instance the French Artillery gunners, French mounted officer, French Cuirassiers and the special French Old Guard Gunner. I know that all these have larger boxes apart from the last mentioned and that came in a standard size infantry box, so I'm not sure whether the costs of packaging was the reason.

Whatever the reason, with or without plumes they are welcome additions to the Napoleonic range.

Jeff
 
Plumes or no plumes, I will be buying the Russians.

I just buy this range for the colorful uniforms anyway! ;)
 
Jeff

All my statements were my opinion only - not to be confused with any type of inside knowledge of decisions made by K&C.

I do know - from my own experience and reports from other dealers - that several of the Napoleonic figures with plumes (and bayonets) have been damaged due to shipping - even with the great packaging they come in. Also, I have had problems with a few axe wielding Crusader Figures.

I am sure there is a good reason for the decision.

Ron
 
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