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The DVD is definitely santized from the version I saw in the cinema, but only recently I read in a movie-mag why Britain has never seen the full uncensored version- there were too many horse-falls that were deemed as cruelty to animals.
Smoke on that for a while!

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Am I missing something here- In the UK mass killings of Indians is OK but hurting horses is not?
 
4th Hussar said:
The DVD is definitely santized from the version I saw in the cinema, but only recently I read in a movie-mag why Britain has never seen the full uncensored version- there were too many horse-falls that were deemed as cruelty to animals.
Smoke on that for a while!

Reb
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Am I missing something here- In the UK mass killings of Indians is OK but hurting horses is not?[/QUOTE]

I think you have hit the nail on the head
 
UKReb said:
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The DVD is definitely santized from the version I saw in the cinema, but only recently I read in a movie-mag why Britain has never seen the full uncensored version- there were too many horse-falls that were deemed as cruelty to animals.
Smoke on that for a while!

Reb
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Honestly horse falls are gratitous and cruel in many of those films. Of course the point is they should have never done them, not just that they should not show them.;)
 
4th Hussar said:
Am I missing something here- In the UK mass killings of Indians is OK but hurting horses is not?
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Exactly the point I was trying to make, however, like most of you on here I abhor cruelty to any animal especially for the sake of entertainment and horses in the movies have fared the worse.

The running trip wire being one of the worst methods of bringing a horse down (although banned by then used in a couple of scenes in Soldier Blue) a wire was attached to the horses front hooves one end while the other was tied to an anchor point off screen. The horse was then spurred to a gallop until the length of the wire was expended and down came the horse and rider-Cut- except in a lot of those early westerns the fetlocks were cut-clean off doing this stunt.
This went on until 1939 when the film Jesse James (Tyrone Power and Henry Fonda) killed 8 horses doing a stunt called the tilt shute-a horse jumping off a cliff except the horse didn't jump it was tilted over the side (next time you watch it on Turner TV give that a thought) A code was set up that cruelty to animals must stop in Hollywood-but on location shoots it still went on to get that realistic shot.

Now it doesn't happen and any animal stunts are strictly controlled by veterinary surgeons on the set. CGI has also taken over and if anyone has seen The Horse Whisperer the horrific injuries to the horse in the road accident was in fact an animatronic (robot) horse.

However, with all the above in mind I'm still not sure whether it was moral for us Brits to watch wholesale slaughter of the Cheyenne but unable to see a number of horses being brought down!

Reb
 
Yes it does seem a bit odd that we can stand slaughter of native peoples but don't hurt the cute little horsey worseys!!:eek::rolleyes:.Still i agree with Reb,the harming of any animals for a film is deplorable and unacceptable to me.

As Harold said i prefer 'Red Badge of courage',short straightforward story but really enjoyable.Its often being shown on TCM,to which my wife says 'Not this again'!!.......Hee Hee:D;)

Rob
 
Aah but the horses in the film were really hurt maybe whereas the Cheyenne were actors and no Cheyenne actors were harmed in the making of that production. :)

I guess anyway.

Haven't seen Cannibal Holocaust but i've heard that it was banned cause people thought it was real, that natives really were tortured and had poles inserted in unspeakable places. In reality the animal killing scenes were the only real events.
 
Eazy said:
Aah but the horses in the film were really hurt maybe whereas the Cheyenne were actors and no Cheyenne actors were harmed in the making of that production. :)

I guess anyway.

Haven't seen Cannibal Holocaust but i've heard that it was banned cause people thought it was real, that natives really were tortured and had poles inserted in unspeakable places. In reality the animal killing scenes were the only real events.
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'Unspeakable places'...do you mean Watford????;)

Rob
 
LOL there are some places even Cannibals would fear to tread... or insert Poles.
 
Eazy said:
Aah but the horses in the film were really hurt maybe whereas the Cheyenne were actors and no Cheyenne actors were harmed in the making of that production. :)
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Exactly my point. Also the actors were paid and given the choice whether to do the stunts and the horses were not.

I am certainly no fan of the excesses and brutality carried out by the US in the pursuit of manifest destiny but showing those was a core theme of the movie afterall; unnecessary injury to stunt horses was not. However, as I said, the point was not to do it all; rather than just not show it but if showing it would make the practice stop more quickly than I would have been all for it. Pity we did not have that option to expedite fair dealing with our Native Americans.
 
Harrytheheid said:
Talking of which; Let's have a poll. Which is the better war movie?

Soldier Blue

Sleepless in Seattle
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I quite like Sleepless In Seattle. It's the only chick flick i like.
I get a bit misty eyed when the boy is waiting on top of the Empire State building for Meg to arrive :eek:
they also discuss the Dirty Dozen in it so yes it could qualify as a war movie in some strange and twisted way!
 
Harrytheheid said:
Red Badge of Courage or for REAL Civil War, try "Cromwell" with Richard Harris.
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Agree Red Badge of Courage was great, I remember seeing a lot of other good ones, but can't remember the names as they were on TV when I still had neurones joining up.......

Some of Clints films had great civil war moments as well, like the good bad and ugly and Josie Wales of course, post war.

As for Cromwell, thought it was quite boring, but that was thirty years ago....Ho hum.:rolleyes:
 
Some pretty good ACW or a ACW theme movies which haven't been mentioned are:

The Beguiled
Alvarez Kelly
Advance to the Rear
The Horse Soldiers
Keaton's- The General
The Great Locomotive Chase
Journey to Shiloh
Raintree County
The Raid
Shenandoah
The Tall Target
The Colt

and too many god-awful ones to list here

Reb
 
Reb, I remember some of those now.

BTW, may have let - when trumpets fade - slip into my top 5 war films....
 
panda1gen said:
Reb, I remember some of those now.

BTW, may have let - when trumpets fade - slip into my top 5 war films....
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Kevin,

That was a darn good movie and correct me if I'm wrong but the only film that has covered the Battle of Heurtgen Forest which is now almost forgotten in history by being over-shadowed a few weeks later by your dio epic BoB

The GI's involved called that forest-the green hell- and that movie depicted it

Reb
 
UKReb said:
Kevin,

That was a darn good movie and correct me if I'm wrong but the only film that has covered the Battle of Heurtgen Forest which is now almost forgotten in history by being over-shadowed a few weeks later by your dio epic BoB

The GI's involved called that forest-the green hell- and that movie depicted it

Reb
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Agreed,
When Trumpets Fade was a realy good movie. A bit overlooked when released as well. Just like the Battle of Heurtgen Forest in fact.

Cheers
H
 
damian said:
Has anyone seen this one or got any comments. I have only read about it. It came up as a suggestion on Amazon.com. Seems it is a 70's revisionist western supposed to be allegorical about Vietnam and includes graphic scenes of violence. Sounds a bit strong for me actually.
Regards
Damian
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I saw it! It was quite a good movie, but extreme violent! Never thought about it as a allegorical about Vietman, but as you mention it, yes - could easily be!

Allthough savage - it´s nothing compared with, what we can watch today! But in 1970 it was hard stuff!

Remember now most the title song by Buffy Sainte-Marie! And Candice Bergen
has allways been worth looking at! :)

Check it out here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066390/
 
Harrytheheid said:
Agreed,
When Trumpets Fade was a realy good movie. A bit overlooked when released as well. Just like the Battle of Heurtgen Forest in fact.

Cheers
H
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I posted a pic of a road on the west side of Hurtgen Forest, the good road, running north south in my album.

I have another shot of the side of the road that I didn't post, good quality wet mud!
 
UKReb said:
Kevin,

That was a darn good movie and correct me if I'm wrong but the only film that has covered the Battle of Heurtgen Forest which is now almost forgotten in history by being over-shadowed a few weeks later by your dio epic BoB

The GI's involved called that forest-the green hell- and that movie depicted it

Reb
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I agree 100%, its a great movie about a Battle no American should ever forget.
 
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