Some remarks about the future Hetzer BB078 (6 Viewers)

[Mastercom10]

Assignment unit is correct and camouflage painting scheme is well done and quite accurate.
As usual with FL, weathering is very fine.
But, according to historical sources and wartime photos, here are some remarks :
- Hetzer #233 was abandoned and captured on the western front during the Autumn 1944, so before the battle of the bulge in December.
- The rear idler wheel should have been the six holes version and not the eight holes as the model.
- The running wheels should have been the 32 bolts version and not the 16 bolts as the model.

 

[tmanthegreat]

Rivet counting at its finest, lol!

Nevertheless, it is really great to see they’ve got the markings and camouflage patterns correct this time and I can’t wait to see this Hetzer in person in a few weeks

 

[Mastercom10]

Rivet counting at its finest, lol!

Nevertheless, it is really great to see they’ve got the markings and camouflage patterns correct this time and I can’t wait to see this Hetzer in person in a few weeks

And you are absolutely right, enjoy yourself with this model !.
But, IMHO, a little critical thinking is not useless in a discussion forum.

 

[tmanthegreat]

And you are absolutely right, enjoy yourself with this model !.
But, IMHO, a little critical thinking is not useless in a discussion forum.

Mastercom10, I completely agree on the critical thinking being an essential element in a forum like this.

Several years back, it was almost like I committed blasphemy, or at least engendered incredulousness, when I criticized the John Jenkins P-51D aircraft model. I even went as far as posting some pics I’d taken myself of an actual P-51 (ironically enough in the same livery of the JJD plane) to show just how off that model was… If there was something that needed to be shredded for inaccuracy, that was about as good an example as I can think of, lol!

 

[Mastercom10]

Mastercom10, I completely agree on the critical thinking being an essential element in a forum like this.

Several years back, it was almost like I committed blasphemy, or at least engendered incredulousness, when I criticized the John Jenkins P-51D aircraft model. I even went as far as posting some pics I’d taken myself of an actual P-51 (ironically enough in the same livery of the JJD plane) to show just how off that model was… If there was something that needed to be shredded for inaccuracy, that was about as good an example as I can think of, lol!

Tmanthegreat, about the JJD P-51D you had a lot of merit in telling the reality of things.
I also see that mentalities have not evolved since because critical thinking is still not so appreciated in this forum.
Effectively, it seems that the majority of collectors are systematically ecstatic about each new release as long as it is well painted and weathered, rather than paying some attention to historical reality.
Of course, it is necessary to have fun with our hobby and for this there is everyone's "degree of inaccuracy".
But that shouldn't stop us from saying criticals, this could make the brands aware to make improvements.

 

[Beaufighter]

Assignment unit is correct and camouflage painting scheme is well done and quite accurate.
As usual with FL, weathering is very fine.
But, according to historical sources and wartime photos, here are some remarks :
- Hetzer #233 was abandoned and captured on the western front during the Autumn 1944, so before the battle of the bulge in December.
- The rear idler wheel should have been the six holes version and not the eight holes as the model.
- The running wheels should have been the 32 bolts version and not the 16 bolts as the model.

Assignment unit is correct and camouflage painting scheme is well done and quite accurate.
As usual with FL, weathering is very fine.
But, according to historical sources and wartime photos, here are some remarks :
- Hetzer #233 was abandoned and captured on the western front during the Autumn 1944, so before the battle of the bulge in December.
- The rear idler wheel should have been the six holes version and not the eight holes as the model.
- The running wheels should have been the 32 bolts version and not the 16 bolts as the model.

Cheers,

Any historical Intel. & thoughts on Hetzer #232? Thanks for the detailed assessment of #233!

German Jadgpanzer 38 "Hetzer" PzJg Abt 741 - Ardennes, Jan '45​

 

[Panzer ace]

To each their own but the last thing I do when I look at a dio is a check of the number of bolts on the wheel of a vehicle.

The next to last thing I do is check the idler wheel.

 

[OzDigger]

To each their own but the last thing I do when I look at a dio is a check of the number of bolts on the wheel of a vehicle.

The next to last thing I do is check the idler wheel.

Yeah well, people are different aren't they.

 

[OzDigger]

Tmanthegreat, about the JJD P-51D you had a lot of merit in telling the reality of things.
I also see that mentalities have not evolved since because critical thinking is still not so appreciated in this forum.
Effectively, it seems that the majority of collectors are systematically ecstatic about each new release as long as it is well painted and weathered, rather than paying some attention to historical reality.
Of course, it is necessary to have fun with our hobby and for this there is everyone's "degree of inaccuracy".
But that shouldn't stop us from saying criticals, this could make the brands aware to make improvements.

Yes, you would think that after 20 years, members of this forum would recognize that members have different education, experience, expectations and opinions.

Even after all these years it seem most TS companies still have FANatics that can't tolerate people posting critical comments about 'their' brand, they seem to perceive Critique as Hatred

 

[Beaufighter]

To each their own but the last thing I do when I look at a dio is a check of the number of bolts on the wheel of a vehicle.

The next to last thing I do is check the idler wheel.

Cheers,

The question I floated had nothing to do with a “dio” but I get your point. The first thing I do when I check a new AFV or aircraft that pertains to my primary interests is to see if it is remotely historically accurate. Is is the correct Unit, Squadron, etc? Was it at least in the right Theatre of OPS? I do not expect anything close to perfection regarding bolts or rivets, but I do expect that the released item matches the manufacturer marketing material. JJD & WB do a great job with providing detailed historical background on their releases and I appreciate that. Others give just enough and some like War Park make you hunt for the Intel. I do like their releases very much by the way. In short, I very much like and expect reasonable historical accuracy and of course, the look. Thanks for reading.

 

[Beaufighter]

Yes, you would think that after 20 years, members of this forum would recognize that members have different education, experience, expectations and opinions.

Even after all these years it seem most TS companies still have FANatics that can't tolerate people posting critical comments about 'their' brand, they seem to perceive Critique as Hatred

I hear you and thanks for your thoughts. All I was asking was for some historical Intel. on Hetzer #232. Mastercom 10 already did the work on #233. My AFV library is growing but it pails in comparison to my aviation collection. I appreciate the knowledge from others who have the resources. As we were…

 

[Mastercom10]

To each their own but the last thing I do when I look at a dio is a check of the number of bolts on the wheel of a vehicle.

The next to last thing I do is check the idler wheel.

I know very well that some collectors absolutely don't care about accuracy issues.
For them, the essential thing is only a model with nice painting and weathering.
But, without particulary wanting to count the bolts, a simple question : why did the manufacturer not release its model with a correct running gear ?.
I don't think the production costs were higher.
And all the issues I point out could easily be avoided with a little more research in specialized documentation and/or archiv photos (very accessible at all with internet).

 

[Mastercom10]

Cheers,

Any historical Intel. & thoughts on Hetzer #232? Thanks for the detailed assessment of #233!

German Jadgpanzer 38 "Hetzer" PzJg Abt 741 - Ardennes, Jan '45​

Unfortunately, I don't find wartime photo of #232.
But, on the other hand, I found two colored profiles of this Hetzer with a different unit ( PzJg Abt 510 ) and theatre of ops (eastern front 01-02/1945).