South Africa 2010 (2 Viewers)

LOVE so, and maybe very soon. If Brasil pass 1st of the G group they will play the 2nd of the H group, that's meant, if Spain do not recover and pass 2nd we will have the confrontation no later than June 28.

I will love to see that, Brasil loves play with STRONG teams....
 
I'm not sure Spain will recover which is why I said we are a long ways away from that. They have to beat Honduras, which they should do, and then Chile, which may not be easy. However, Chile should beat Swtizerland and Switzerland should beat Honduras, which would give them both 6 points. If Spain wins both their matches, they will have 6 points and it comes down to goal differential. They do not have an easy road ahead of them.

As you know I lived in Brasil and root for them as well so if Spain does not make it -- a bitter pill to be sure -- I will shift my allegiances to Brasil :)

I am also sure that FIFA is not happy about this outcome or about Brasil potentially playing Spain in the second round.
 
I know that you lived in Brasil, I think in Rio right. During the dictatorial time (the 60’s), so you can understand our feelings for the Seleçao. I understanding that is not very promotional to see one of the favourites leaving so early....:mad:

Anyways, I think if you want to be champions, you have to play whoever in front of you

Cheers
 
It is not normal to speak about strong team and not mention Slovenia....
This is just wrong!
Spain is not strong team,they are "first in the small village,but last in a big town".
They never make a big succes in world cup,they are just some mediocre players from strong spain leagues but if you ask who make the Spain League strong are the foreigners not Spanish players,....
I will not miss Spain if they do not qualifiad for the next round.
In fact i will not missed no one who will not qualifaid in the next round(even Slovenija if they failed) because that will mean that they are not good enough.
Simply as that.
So stop complaining!
Stop complaining about the Vuvuzela,about the ball,about the little number of goals,....it is the world cup,the biggest game in the world,hard defence,...everybody wannt to win and today everyon ecan know how to play football.
Why will be England,or Brazil,...better than Slovenia,Honduras,...they are 11 against 11 on the field.
-GO OUT ON THE PITCH AND PROVE ME WRONG!
Show me on the pitch how better you are,not by words, only the result count,and there can be only on e winner. It is not immportant if you lost in the group stage or in the final because 31 will lost and only one will be the winner,the true winner,....all other 31 will be the loosers,it is just a matter of days,someone become a looser today,someone tommorow and the last will become on the 11.7.2010

And since everybody wannt to win,only the best can,so Spain was not the best today,simply as that.
And England was not the best against USA or USA was not the best against England,...poor draw,count for nothing like in the real life.

ONLY WINNER TAKE IS ALL!
 
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Couldn't agree more with Dave on this one.

Casual soccer fans I know have tuned in, heard than mind bendingly annoying buzzing and tuned out.

This is the national stage for soccer the powers that be are blowing it and casual fans are dropping like flies as a result; whoever is running the show probably had relatives who ran the titantic and the 1978 Red Sox............
LOL Great Point
I have been trying to win friends over to the game for years and I usually get the same two responses . Not enough scoring , or they say its (insert your own derogatory word for a gay man ) because of the sometime over selling of a non foul . It is hard to defend some of the lame acting and rolling around that goes on sometimes . This year with the World Cup I have been able to get colleagues to tune in and now all I hear about is drum roll please.............. VUVUZELA HORNS . ... There is no doubt that these are killing the experience for millions of possible new fans in the US . Don't see why everyone is so worried to offend a tradition in South Africa that dates from the 1990's :confused: Like I said I'm a Super Fan so it don't really bother me but I'm not the audience they are trying to win over . All the best Gebhard
 
Wow Ales,

Why dont you tell us how you really feel...:eek::D

Good to see someone who is passionate about the game. But the simple fact is if the guys running FIFA want to get more fans in the USA which equates to $$ in the pocket for advertising etc, they really need to consider how the game sounds. I have been to games in Europe and here in the states and the cheering and chanting of various songs, slogans, etc, is great fun and really brings the fans into it but the stupid horns ruin it for far too many folks. I turn the sound down so I can still hear the commentators on the Canadian Channel because they call the game well and know a lot about the players, which keeps the game interesting especially in a draw situation.

As for the ball its not a big deal because the Germans have been using it all year or at least thats what they said the other day. Maybe its a little lighter maybe not the players will get used to it and then the makers will change it again happens every time the cup comes around.

So relax man and enjoy the fact that there are a few Americans who enjoy the game and we are trying to convert others.

Dave
 
I see Spanish blame seems to be pointing at the goalkeeper,apparently even his girlfriend(who is being blamed for distracting him during the match), who in her job as an interviewer,berated him on the sideline after the match!.Bad day for him!:eek:

Rob

Postscript; I've just seen a picture of his Girlfriend and can fully understand if his mind was not on football!;)
 
Yo Ales, sorry Trooper you talk a load of nonsense about football, to say Spain is not a good team is total rubbish, they are one class act. Fact this world cup has seen so far the lowest number of goals scored, I have never seen so many class players having so much trouble trying to control a ball, if they hit it normally it just flies, so they are trying to under hit it and its leading to a lot of misplaced passes. OK the Germans May have used the ball a bit longer but last time I was serving in the forces in Germany it wasn't at ALTITUDE to my knowledge. It just shows how much thought went into making a new ball. Lets make the ball lighter HELLO the matches are at altitude so a lighter ball is going to fly when struck. Most of the players and coaches have said the ball is rubbish, so if they say that its a fact. If you give a Tradesman a tool and he tells you its no good for his job you have to listen, because he is an expert at what he does. Putting 11 players behind the ball to stop a team scoring is not football, its totally boring to watch, and almost impossible to score. It was 63 minutes last night before South Africa had a shot at goal, at least Spain tried to play football, but in Football you dont always get the rewards you deserve for good play. It will open up and you will see all the good teams go through, at the end of the day its about scoring more goals than the other team. These defensive teams just ruin what is a great game to watch. If you like watching boring football move to Italy their league just bores you to death, its like watching paint dry.
Bernard.
 
Yo Ales, sorry Trooper you talk a load of nonsense about football, to say Spain is not a good team is total rubbish, they are one class act. Fact this world cup has seen so far the lowest number of goals scored, I have never seen so many class players having so much trouble trying to control a ball, if they hit it normally it just flies, so they are trying to under hit it and its leading to a lot of misplaced passes. OK the Germans May have used the ball a bit longer but last time I was serving in the forces in Germany it wasn't at ALTITUDE to my knowledge. It just shows how much thought went into making a new ball. Lets make the ball lighter HELLO the matches are at altitude so a lighter ball is going to fly when struck. Most of the players and coaches have said the ball is rubbish, so if they say that its a fact. If you give a Tradesman a tool and he tells you its no good for his job you have to listen, because he is an expert at what he does. Putting 11 players behind the ball to stop a team scoring is not football, its totally boring to watch, and almost impossible to score. It was 63 minutes last night before South Africa had a shot at goal, at least Spain tried to play football, but in Football you dont always get the rewards you deserve for good play. It will open up and you will see all the good teams go through, at the end of the day its about scoring more goals than the other team. These defensive teams just ruin what is a great game to watch. If you like watching boring football move to Italy their league just bores you to death, its like watching paint dry.
Bernard.

I agree with a lot of this, but I disagree when it comes to playing overly defensive, or "boring", football. Switzerland beat Spain mainly because the Swiss out coached the Spanish and Spain couldn't finish. The Swiss coach basically said that if you want to play an attacking style against Spain and open up the game, they'll crush you. He is right and his strategy was absolutely perfect and lead to a huge upset. Was it exciting? Well, normally that strategy does lead to boring matches, but the Spain game was by far the most exciting of the entire tournament so far. I was on the edge of my seat the entire second half. For the record, I was rooting for Spain as I have them picked to win the world cup in my friendly betting bracket with friends and I had this game picked 4-0 Spain. So I wanted them to crush the Swiss, but I have to give the Swiss credit for winning the game. They made the most of the few opportunities that they had while Spain, particularly Torres whose first touch on several balls that could have sent him in alone was awful, choked and choked and choked. Spain dominated the game, had their chances, but they just didn't convert.

Believe me, I would prefer two teams to play attacking football. It would be great if every game was Brazil against Brazil (in style), but you can't expect teams who have no hope of winning that style of play to go for it and then get crushed. So while I'm disappointed, particularly if it leads to a Brazil Spain first elimination round game, hats off to the Swiss for pulling off the upset and score one point for boring football, which in this case, was anything but boring.

And yes, the Italians play too much defense and can be the epitome of boring to watch. But my beloved Azzuri win world cups. It may not be pretty, but it's effective.

As for the low scoring in this world cup, I don't know if it's the ball or the tactics in play, but it is very disappointing. Really, it's shocking. But I think it has more to do with tactics than the ball. I do agree with you however that if the players say the ball sucks, then the ball sucks.

Oh, and finally, I think Spain still wins the world cup. This loss will wake them up. They may even win their group still as I really expect them to pile on the goals in the next few matches and win both.
 
Some interesting comments. I agree with Ales about stopping the complaints. If you get through, it's because you deserved to be there. I heard Del Bosque, the Spanish manager, whining about the Swiss and saying he doesn't intend to change what he's doing. That's a little worrisome. As for the ball, it is doing fuuny things. Giorgio Chinaglia is co-hosting a show on XM and he noted the ball is not what it should normally be doing.

As far as Spain not being a good side that's just nonsense but they are the most underachieving team there is. I also read something that there may be something wrong with Casillas. It goes without saying they better be ready next week.
 
Some interesting comments. I agree with Ales about stopping the complaints. If you get through, it's because you deserved to be there. I heard Del Bosque, the Spanish manager, whining about the Swiss and saying he doesn't intend to change what he's doing. That's a little worrisome. As for the ball, it is doing fuuny things. Giorgio Chinaglia is co-hosting a show on XM and he noted the ball is not what it should normally be doing.

As far as Spain not being a good side that's just nonsense but they are the most underachieving team there is. I also read something that there may be something wrong with Casillas. It goes without saying they better be ready next week.

Well re Ales points, its about differentiating between them. No question,anyone who is at the world cup absolutely deserves to be there, from Spain to Australia they've all earned the right to participate. Its a difficult one re the boring draws, as Matt said no one wants to risk getting caught on the break and punished as a result .However there really have been some dull games, but what is more important, the entertainment of the spectators or the national side in question progressing in the tournament?. Depends on your viewpoint I guess. But I am confident we will see some better games coming up.

I know its not what a lot of folk would want in the next round,but Brazil v Spain would be a real event.

And I too would not write Spain off, from what I've seen it looked like a goalkeeping error. (have we a recurring theme here?!)

Rob
 
I know its not what a lot of folk would want in the next round,but Brazil v Spain would be a real event.

I agree with this. The only reason I don't want them playing in the first elimimination round is because in my bracket, I have Brazil v Spain as the final game. So if they play too early it kills my chances of winning my pool! :D I agree, though, it would be a fantastic match.

And, you're right, things will get better as the tournament progresses. I almost feel as though most teams have been playing not to lose more than to win. As the groups shake out and teams need certain results to advance, I fully expect the games to open up quite a bit which will lead to more exciting play.
 
From a FIFA point of view, Spain v Brasil is probably not what they want to see at least not yet (although I'm not sure they would meet otherwise). In addition, SA crashing out (possibly) is a problem for them.
 
Argentina v South Korea,finally a class team playing attacking football,2-0 to Argentina now.

Rob
 
I've heard that the players are complaining about the ball not going where they kick it, but that they can't hear eachother on the field to make passes and set up plays because of the vavazuelas.

Of all the world cups I've watched back to the 1960's, this is the only one I have not thoroughly enjoyed.

Terry
 
Want to see France vs. Mexico later today and I plan to camp in front of the tube Friday to watch the US and later, Germany. May even turn on the sound for the US match!:D Sure need some more offense, though. -- Al
 
Hi Rob,

Please keep up your commentary.

I can follow this game on the forum now.:D:p

My ears need a rest for tomorrow's matches.;)

Cheers, Raymond.:)

:D

Its a rout now,4-1

Argentina looking good for this competion after this win.

Rob
 

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