Stadden Full 3rd Guards Band 1815 (1 Viewer)

[Cardigan600]

Yo Troopers, just got the photo of probably the rarest 90mm Chas Stadden Band on the planet. Only three sets of this Band were made dont know why only three but they are in private collections. I have two pieces from the band so suppose I am lucky to have them. Counted 27 pieces in the Band with seven being the Colonial soldiers we were talking about that were used those days to make the Band look special. Need a musician to tell me what on earth the guy on the left is playing looks like a Anaconda lol. Some Band dont you think guys he says drooling down his chin.
Bernard.

 

[thebritfarmer]

Now I don't collect Staddens but I must say that certainly would be the coolest band to own.

Thanks for sharing it with us Bernard.

 

[trooper]

You were nearly right with your comment about anaconda, Bernard, the instrument is known as a serpent and was made of wood, leather and brass.It ws invented by French churchman at the end of the sixteenth cedntury for use in religious music. Although difficult to play it was popular in France and Britain and lasted until the early nineteenth century.

 

[Cardigan600]

You were nearly right with your comment about anaconda, Bernard, the instrument is known as a serpent and was made of wood, leather and brass.It ws invented by French churchman at the end of the sixteenth cedntury for use in religious music. Although difficult to play it was popular in France and Britain and lasted until the early nineteenth century.

Yo trooper, thanks mate for the info, your knowledge of Military history just amazes me. So it wasn't a bad guess after all. So thats one for all the Band people they can request a guy in the Band playing a Serpent lol.
Bernard.

 

[theBaron]

Now you have your Holy Grail of collecting, Bernard-you have to acquire a whole band!

Prost!
Brad

 

[blaster]

Hi Bernard,

That is SOME band! I am guessing that the uniforms and probably some instruments were acquired after Waterloo, as the Guards also adopted the bearskin after that period? Thus I see the serpent and Jingling Johnnie as copied from the French bands (the Jingling Johnnie being of Turkish origin and adopted via France's connections to Austria (Marie Antoinette) and the latter's connection to Turkey).

Rgds Victor

 

[trooper]

Hi Bernard,

That is SOME band! I am guessing that the uniforms and probably some instruments were acquired after Waterloo, as the Guards also adopted the bearskin after that period? Thus I see the serpent and Jingling Johnnie as copied from the French bands (the Jingling Johnnie being of Turkish origin and adopted via France's connections to Austria (Marie Antoinette) and the latter's connection to Turkey).

Rgds Victor

The uniforms are those as laid down in the changes of 1812. Bearskins were worn by grenadier companies of all regiments in full dress but were sanctioned for all companies of the 1st Guards in 1815 when the regiment was designated as a grenadier regiment. The 2nd and 3rd Guards didn't adopt the bearskin as a regimental headress until 1831. The serpent and jingling johnny had been in use by the British army for many years prior to the Napoleonic wars.

 

[Cardigan600]

The uniforms are those as laid down in the changes of 1812. Bearskins were worn by grenadier companies of all regiments in full dress but were sanctioned for all companies of the 1st Guards in 1815 when the regiment was designated as a grenadier regiment. The 2nd and 3rd Guards didn't adopt the bearskin as a regimental headress until 1831. The serpent and jingling johnny had been in use by the British army for many years prior to the Napoleonic wars.

Yo Blaster, cheers mate for the input. Have a Question for trooper he is the man on all things Military in my book. Why is the guy in the second row with the French Horn players wearing a Bicorne Hat, also doesn't seem to be playing an instrument, of course having the orginal photo I can zoom it really close, just seems he is going for a walk with the band lol.
Bernard.

 

[wayne556517]

Looks like he has a beer in his hand,cheers...................

 

[trooper]

Yo Blaster, cheers mate for the input. Have a Question for trooper he is the man on all things Military in my book. Why is the guy in the second row with the French Horn players wearing a Bicorne Hat, also doesn't seem to be playing an instrument, of course having the orginal photo I can zoom it really close, just seems he is going for a walk with the band lol.
Bernard.

He is the bandmaster. In charge of the band and responsible for the music. When the band plays at the halt he moves to the front and conducts.

 

[theBaron]

Yo, Bernard, does the bicorne wearer have musician's insignia, or is he otherwise identified as an officer? You don't have access to a closer photo of that figure, do you?

Prost!
Brad

 

[Cardigan600]

He is the bandmaster. In charge of the band and responsible for the music. When the band plays at the halt he moves to the front and conducts.

Yo trooper, your the man so when on the march did he just take a place in the Band, I always thought the Drum Major was the Music man. Just shows what I know
Bernard.

 

[trooper]

Yo trooper, your the man so when on the march did he just take a place in the Band, I always thought the Drum Major was the Music man. Just shows what I know
Bernard.

The Bandmaster still marches within the band, the Drum Major is responsible for drill and discipline, the Bandmaster for the music both content and performance.

 

[thebritfarmer]

Yo trooper, your the man so when on the march did he just take a place in the Band, I always thought the Drum Major was the Music man. Just shows what I know
Bernard.

The Bandmaster still marches within the band, the Drum Major is responsible for drill and discipline, the Bandmaster for the music both content and performance.

Learn something new everyday !! Thanks for the intel trooper.

 

[Martin Tabony]

Yo trooper, your the man so when on the march did he just take a place in the Band, I always thought the Drum Major was the Music man. Just shows what I know
Bernard.

Drummers aren't musician, they are signalers. Although the Drum Major marches at the head of the band he is not strictly part of the band but the corps of drums. The Director of Music is an officer the Band Master is a Warrant Officer.
I have a photo of the Grenadier Guards band with the Irish Guards D.M. leading.


Martin.

 

[trooper]

Drummers aren't musician, they are signalers. Although the Drum Major marches at the head of the band he is not strictly part of the band but the corps of drums. The Director of Music is an officer the Band Master is a Warrant Officer.
I have a photo of the Grenadier Guards band with the Irish Guards D.M. leading.


Martin.

In many regiments the Corps of Drums form the Heavy Weapons Platoon, the musicians were cross trained as medics. When the axe fell on the Army bands the resultant shortage of medical personnel led to the employment of Territorial Medical Corps in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another example of politicians not realising the consequences of their decisions.

 

[Martin Tabony]

In many regiments the Corps of Drums form the Heavy Weapons Platoon, the musicians were cross trained as medics. When the axe fell on the Army bands the resultant shortage of medical personnel led to the employment of Territorial Medical Corps in Iraq and Afghanistan. Another example of politicians not realising the consequences of their decisions.

They're using mixed units with R.N. AND R.A.F. medics! That's why the first female M.M. went to the navy.
Stick more politicians in the front line, the equipment would soon improve. I wouldn't mind them claiming for a moat if it was in the Stan.

Martin

 

[blaster]

Yo Trooper,

Thanks for clarifying the uniforms. I only have that old book by Jack Cassin Scott on military bands and those Historex info sheets.

I would be interested in seeing more pics of pre-Napoleonic British bands, including militia if you have any. Any idea on how the bass drum was actually supported???

Rgds Victor

 

[blaster]

Hello Trooper,

one more query. Why is the plume of the Guards musicians half white/red? Aren't British Guards plumes white in colour?

Rgds Victor

 

[trooper]

Hello Trooper,

one more query. Why is the plume of the Guards musicians half white/red? Aren't British Guards plumes white in colour?

Rgds Victor

Only the grenadier company had white plumes, the light company had green and the remainder of the regiment had half white/red. As the band wasn't attached to the flank companies they wore the same plume as the centre companies.