Still More Reflections on a Lazy Day (1 Viewer)

wadepat

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Gentle Friends,

Once again, I find myself seated at my desk sipping my coffee. As usual, I am surrounded by the many beautiful miniature military figures that constitute a portion of my collection. Today, instead of gazing admiringly at my figures, my thoughts wander to the recent set of conflicts that have exhibited themselves on our forum. I wonder, "Have we reached a crisis? Is our forum disintegrating before our very eyes?" I think not. Far from it. Could these conflicts have been avoided? Oh, yes. I think so.

As I consider the present forum atmosphere, I think much discomfort could be avoided if we took the time and energy to individually refine our skills of diplomacy. Let me attempt to illustrate my point.

It seems to me that diplomacy consists of at least three major components. Perhaps there are many more components, but the following three are the ones that occur to me. They are: 1) Knowledge; 2) Sensitivity and/or empathy; and 3) timing. Let me consider the first of these: knowledge.

It is most helpful if I have a good knowledge of the issue being discussed. If I know another person's preferences, concerns, issues, and personality traits, I can more skillfully judge the potential reactions that my actions/comments may have on others. In short, I may be able to avoid insulting others, angering others, and offending others by considering what I know about my audience. Armed with knowledge of my subject and knowledge of those who will receive my message, I can make my point more skillfully. Another way in which I am fond of making this point is to say, "If I know the rules of the game, I can play the game more skillfully."

The second of my three components of diplomacy is sensitivity or empathy. If I am able to see and appreciate the point of view of another, I can exercise more patience with our differences. If I know he loves Britains figures, I know he will not appreciate me shouting, "K&C is the best company alive!" If I know he loves traditional glossy figures, I know he will not fully appreciate me saying, "Glossy figures suck!" Taking the time to try to view an issue from another's point of view is time well spent. It is okay to own and express opposing points of view, and it is okay to express your point of view in a humorous way, but the most effective expression of these differences occurs in the context of mutual understanding and respect.

Thirdly, there is timing involved in diplomacy. When you say something is oftentimes as important as what you say. Hopefully, if you have appropriate knowledge and you exercise empathy, you will be able to know when another is more likely to receive your message in an appreciative way.

Therefore, it seems to me that a working definition of diplomacy would be as follows:

Diplomacy consists of the ability to say exactly the right thing (knowledge) in exactly the right way (empathy) at exactly the right time (timing).

However, my above definition falls short on one count. So let me add one final point to my definition. While diplomacy consists of the ability to say exactly the right thing in exactly the right way at exactly the right time, it also includes the knowledge of when not to speak.

Perhaps if we all worked to exercise greater diplomacy, we could further enrich an already great forum.

Those are just some of my thoughts on this lazy day.

See you down the road.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat :)
 
Pat,

You always seem to know exactly what to say, how to say it and when to say it. Always.

Enjoy the coffee.

Simon
 
Well thought out and stated. These are also the traits of a gentleman...and these traits are to be admired and emulated to the best of our abilities.
 
I just looked up the definition of class in the dictionary and there was a picture of Pat looking back at me :)
 
Amen to that!
Constant squabbling, rehashing arguements, baiting, and picking fights on this forum are annoying, tiresome, irritating, energy draining and of no use to anyone.
I am glad people are voicing their opinions about this topic. I feel that members have been extremely patient in hoping things would die down and go away but it hasn't happened and I and the moderators are getting really fed up with it as well. We try to avoid censuring and deleting posts and are all for free speech, but if the arguments keep up and have nothing to add to a discussion we may start deleting them. As administrator and moderators we can't put anyone on our ignore lists so that may be the way to go.

If members want to argue and fight--take it outside gentlemen. Outside the forum that is.

This is a fantastic toy soldier forum and what we have here is just a bump in the road. No one is going to let a few people ruin it for everyone else. There is plenty of room for differences of opinion, we just need to keep the points wadepat brought up in mind while posting and reading posts.

Let's move on from here--get out there and enjoy yourselves!

Best regards,
 
Dear Pat, I wish that I lived closer to you, that I might visit and in shaking your hand, have some of your dignity rub off on me.......Thanks, Michael
 
Pat,

I am honored to consider you my friend, and I agree with everything you said.

I would add one thought to your excellent points: It is easy to either overstate your point or misconstrue another's point when you are reading text on a computer, and not seeing the other person face to face, hearing their tone (i.e. aggressive or polite, serious or joking, sarcastic or humerous) and seeing their expression. Its also easy to say something by and to an anonymous screen name that a person would hesitate to say face to face.

So maybe the appropriate place to take up these issues is when we are in the same room together (say at the Chicago Show, the West Coaster, the London Show or the Symposium), where we can hash out our points over a drink or a meal, face to face, and can have a better grasp of what the other person is really feeling or thinking. Lets face it, I doubt we would even get close to the level of acrimony we have seen in some of the recent posts if the people were in the same room, instead of continents away.

I genuinely like the members of this forum, and would hate to lose the insights, humerous anecdotes and personal stories of even one of them. So guys, as I offered to two other members in the midst of a war of words, come to New York, I will stand you to dinner and drinks, and lets see if the combatants, full of good food and drink, can't find some common ground.
 
Pat-

As I said in another context, your posts are interesting, instructive and intelligent. You are a great man. Your students must be better people after you teached them.

Pierre.
 
Wise words as always Pat, often the better person is the one that remains silent. Hey I didn't say I do it very often, just more often that some of you may think ;)
 
Very wise words indeed Pat.I think another ingredient that is very helpful is forgiveness.You have to forgive some slights and move on otherwise moementary lapses become ongoing grudges.Everyone is human and prone to mistakes.(especially when in a high state of emotion)Louis showed me forgiveness when i spoke out of turn a while back.And i hope i showed forgiveness when someone upset me regarding a lost relative.Nothing is worth holding a grudge in this life.Life is to short and friendship is very important.I am very happy in that i feel all the recent arguments are over and we are all back to normal If you can call being a fully grown adult and collecting toy soldiers normal.

I would just like to add one thing.I really hope as many of you forum members from abroad who i have not met yet can come over in December to London it would be so good to meet you all.

Rob
 
Well said people, the fourm is here for everyone. This is a Hobby, it is a way to relax and unwind from the daily stresses of life. I don't know what the squabble is about, but I'll bet it is pretty silly. Remember this, Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Use the fourm to learn and make friends and have fun. Hobby On Mike.
 
Sad to say some people take themselves way too seriously. This is about fun. There will always be an element of "my stuff is better than yours" with some people. I say let their postings stand for themselves. Meanwhile I will continue enjoying the forum and camaraderie
 
I too felt this forum was losing its fun. So I got dramatic (there are drama kings too ya know, women don’t have an exclusive on that one) and posted a thread calling for myself to take a time-out. But, once again, Pat seems to ground me in a better sense of what this thing is all about. He has a well-developed method of writing his arguments in a manner that is very calming. May-be it's as simple as the salutation or closing you always seem to use or perhaps it’s the structuring of the gentle and non threatening presentation; I don't know, but thank you Pat. Your words strike home with me and apparently with others as well.
 
Pat,
Thanks for being the voice of reason that you always are; you are one class act, a true gentleman. It was my sincere pleasure to have met you at last years OTSN; and people wonder why I travel to over 25 shows per year............................
 
Thought this thread could use a bump. Not to mention just nice to read and think about. I will try and take some of this into my own life right now. Thakyou again Pat. You are a gentleman and a scholar.
 
Hi Pat,

Truer words have never been spoken. It's a shame more people don't take a leaf out of your book.

Scott
 
Fun is the name of the game for me as well... I do a bit of work here and there in the hobby as well - but it's truly a labor of love... Collectors will always have their own point of view about which line is best, what is better plastic or metal... and on and on... .We can all agree to disagree. Personally I enjoy it all - i just don't have the budget to collect it all (or nowhere near it!!). but i can still enjoy it all through dealer websites and forums like this where collectors of all kinds - share their collections with all of us. Not to mention diorama and conversion work... and great photography...

Keep the fun in toy soldiers!

Jim
 
Gentle Friends,

Once again, I find myself seated at my desk sipping my coffee. As usual, I am surrounded by the many beautiful miniature military figures that constitute a portion of my collection. Today, instead of gazing admiringly at my figures, my thoughts wander to the recent set of conflicts that have exhibited themselves on our forum. I wonder, "Have we reached a crisis? Is our forum disintegrating before our very eyes?" I think not. Far from it. Could these conflicts have been avoided? Oh, yes. I think so.

As I consider the present forum atmosphere, I think much discomfort could be avoided if we took the time and energy to individually refine our skills of diplomacy. Let me attempt to illustrate my point.

It seems to me that diplomacy consists of at least three major components. Perhaps there are many more components, but the following three are the ones that occur to me. They are: 1) Knowledge; 2) Sensitivity and/or empathy; and 3) timing. Let me consider the first of these: knowledge.

It is most helpful if I have a good knowledge of the issue being discussed. If I know another person's preferences, concerns, issues, and personality traits, I can more skillfully judge the potential reactions that my actions/comments may have on others. In short, I may be able to avoid insulting others, angering others, and offending others by considering what I know about my audience. Armed with knowledge of my subject and knowledge of those who will receive my message, I can make my point more skillfully. Another way in which I am fond of making this point is to say, "If I know the rules of the game, I can play the game more skillfully."

The second of my three components of diplomacy is sensitivity or empathy. If I am able to see and appreciate the point of view of another, I can exercise more patience with our differences. If I know he loves Britains figures, I know he will not appreciate me shouting, "K&C is the best company alive!" If I know he loves traditional glossy figures, I know he will not fully appreciate me saying, "Glossy figures suck!" Taking the time to try to view an issue from another's point of view is time well spent. It is okay to own and express opposing points of view, and it is okay to express your point of view in a humorous way, but the most effective expression of these differences occurs in the context of mutual understanding and respect.

Thirdly, there is timing involved in diplomacy. When you say something is oftentimes as important as what you say. Hopefully, if you have appropriate knowledge and you exercise empathy, you will be able to know when another is more likely to receive your message in an appreciative way.

Therefore, it seems to me that a working definition of diplomacy would be as follows:

Diplomacy consists of the ability to say exactly the right thing (knowledge) in exactly the right way (empathy) at exactly the right time (timing).

However, my above definition falls short on one count. So let me add one final point to my definition. While diplomacy consists of the ability to say exactly the right thing in exactly the right way at exactly the right time, it also includes the knowledge of when not to speak.

Perhaps if we all worked to exercise greater diplomacy, we could further enrich an already great forum.

Those are just some of my thoughts on this lazy day.

See you down the road.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat :)


Was looking at some older more seasoned posts and came across this one. In the always electrifying atmosphere of the forum, I thought I would bump this up.:):D
 

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