T34 ~ 15 years on.... (2 Viewers)

[Mitch]

Steve..

We could probably go on for months about the alleged strengths and weaknesses of a high profile General like Patton. Suffice-to-say he was the right men to get what had to be done, done. Its easy to get embroiled in the debate after the war to say well, they should have done this or, that but, they were imperfect men doing what had to be done in difficult circumstances and, in very fluid situations.

I see what you are saying about sandbag a tank make you feel safer and act more aggressively towards a superior force (tank for tank) but, I wonder and doubt if that had the desired effect. As I mentioned tankers knew what they faced in terms of German tanks and, knew theirs were not up to the same calibre. what they did knowing these facts was pretty aggressive in my mind as they took them on even knowing that.

The germans used tank tracks as extra protection but, it also did not work. The projectiles they were firing at that time were just too powerful to be stopped by extra tracks or sandbags. I read somewhere about losses with sandbagged AFV's which, showed there were very little difference to those in units not sandbagged.
Mitch

 

[AIDMAN]

Mitch

No problems friend.....Thats what this forum is all about, discussing history,ideas, and suchlike!!. we are all entitled to our own beliefs and we can all learn from each other...it"s all part of the
wonderfull world of toy soldier collecting, it draws you back into history and makes you want to learn more and more...which in turn gives you an even greater respect and admiration for the
generation that gave all for the sake of freedom.

Steve

 

[Mitch]

Steve..

I absolutely agree and, if it were me I would not have got in one of those tanks when I knew what was against me so, I don't condemn what they did to protect themselves when the powers that be would rather have more tanks than less better armoured ones.
Mitch

Mitch

No problems friend.....Thats what this forum is all about, discussing history,ideas, and suchlike!!. we are all entitled to our own beliefs and we can all learn from each other...it"s all part of the
wonderfull world of toy soldier collecting, it draws you back into history and makes you want to learn more and more...which in turn gives you an even greater respect and admiration for the
generation that gave all for the sake of freedom.

Steve

 

[Cyber Field Marshall]

RA013 is a great piece and still stands up well to K&C's current releases of T-34's. I must say if I didn't have RA013 I would have definitely jumped on the new releases. The winter T-34 sorely tempted me however I'm not really an Eastern Front enthusiast so I decided due to a lack of space I'm not going to increase my Soviet collection. I'm happy with the little sample of Soviets I have ( being RA-013 and the tank riders RA009 ). :smile2:

 

[ChrisTay]

Steve..

I absolutely agree and, if it were me I would not have got in one of those tanks when I knew what was against me so, I don't condemn what they did to protect themselves when the powers that be would rather have more tanks than less better armoured ones.
Mitch

Yes, love the ideas bring exchanged which were about retrofits and adaptations made to their hardware on the field. The Germans with the side plates on the older Panzers, the bed springs on the T34s, the sandbags on the Shermans. Each had a different way to make the best of the situation with whatever is available.

As for Patton, I think he brought a spirit of diversity as opposed to Eisenhower, Bradley, Montgomery. If he had not passed that quickly, the what if scenarios after the end of the war would be interesting debates and discussions as well.