Tanks and Men K&C Gets IT Right! (2 Viewers)

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The size of a tank in relation to soldiers is often in error where Toy Soldiers are concerned. Often the soldiers are too large in relation to the tank and the combination is unrealistic. 1/35 scale models usually have the size relationship correct. I am very happy to see that K&C has done an excellent job with the height relationship of the Fury Sherman tank and the US Tanker sets. The photos show the height of WW II US Soldiers in relation to a Sherman tank; very interesting is the range in height of the soldiers, as is their size compared to the tank. The Sherman is a large vehicle. The deck is 5 inches higher than a Tiger I and the overall height is the same. Fury and the US Tanker sets is one of the most realistic WW II vehicles K&C has done to date!
 
Excellent vintage picture for size comparison with K&C's Fury and Figures. Thanks for sharing!
 
Well, someone has to be the wet blanket
1) It helps that the figures have no bases.
2) The photo clearly shoes how much more slender real soldiers are compared to chunky toy soldiers.
3) Someone answer this please: do you have both FURY and BBA054 and are they different scales? They are the same version of Sherman, right? I have BBA054 and was led to believe THAT WAS A TRUE 1/30th. Are they moving the goalpost again? I have always thought K&C vehicles are too small/figures too big. I would probably be really P.O.ed if they decided to remedy this situation now after all my years of collecting. Oh well, I guess better late than never.

Armchair Warrior
 
I also think the fact that most figures have bases is a big factor for height.

Scott
 
armchair warrior said:
Well, someone has to be the wet blanket
1) It helps that the figures have no bases.
2) The photo clearly shoes how much more slender real soldiers are compared to chunky toy soldiers.
3) Someone answer this please: do you have both FURY and BBA054 and are they different scales? They are the same version of Sherman, right? I have BBA054 and was led to believe THAT WAS A TRUE 1/30th. Are they moving the goalpost again? I have always thought K&C vehicles are too small/figures too big. I would probably be really P.O.ed if they decided to remedy this situation now after all my years of collecting. Oh well, I guess better late than never.

Armchair Warrior
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Not sure of the model #, but I have Fury, Oddball's Sherman, and their recent Sherman ( Easy 8 ) as well as CS Sherman and all seem correct for size..( Easy 8 and Fury seem to be the same tank, accessoried different ) Michael
 
arnhem44mad said:
I also think the fact that most figures have bases is a big factor for height.

Scott
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The figure in front of the Sherman has a base. The War Daddy figure has a rather large base. The two figures with bases do not stand as high or higher than the deck; which is the correct size.
The question is; did the M4A3E8 Sherman increase in size? Western Outlaw measured the deck height at 2.250 inches/70mm. Most current K&C WWII figures range between 65 and 68mm tall measured from the top of the base to the top of the head. The base measures about 2mm thick and the figure measures 66mm tall in my test sample from 2010. The figure would be 2mm shorter than the deck height of 70mm. Interesting problem; either the Sherman is larger or the figures are smaller and the figures seem much smaller in the photo of Fury with the US Tanker sets. K&C could be moving to true 60mm figures as has W. Britains in response to First Legion. Great to have the vehicles and figures match in future!
 
Some have complained that K & C's figures are 1/28 whereas the tanks are 1/30, thereby supposedly creating a disparity. Have the figures been reduced to 1/30 or is the tank 1/28. Hopefully, it's the former, not the latter. Can you make a measurement. Thanks.

Brad
 
The Fury tank is 1/28.

Just like the previous K&C Easy Eight Sherman. The "Fury" is the same model just with added stowage and different paint.
 
jazzeum said:
Some have complained that K & C's figures are 1/28 whereas the tanks are 1/30, thereby supposedly creating a disparity. Have the figures been reduced to 1/30 or is the tank 1/28. Hopefully, it's the former, not the latter. Can you make a measurement. Thanks.

Brad
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Brad; Western Outlaw provided measurements of the Fury Sherman. The width was 4.5 inches and the length was 10.5 inches. A full size M4A3E8 measures 117.8 inches wide, 118.2 inches high and 297 inches long. The Fury Sherman is larger than 1/30 based on these numbers. I do not have any measurements of the US Tanker figures. I would be very interested to know how tall they stand.
 
Thanks. I'm not one who gets overly concerned about these kinds of things although I know many do. I was just curious. It sounds like the tank and figures may be (and I emphasize may) 1/28.
 
Hunter Rose said:
The Fury tank is 1/28.

Just like the previous K&C Easy Eight Sherman. The "Fury" is the same model just with added stowage and different paint.
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Thanks HR. Didn't see your response before I made the prior post. That would answer my question.

Brad
 
1/28 sounds close. The deck height of the M4A3E8 is 1900mm, divided by the scale equals scale heights of:
1/32..............1/30.................1/28................1/27...............1/26.................1/25..................1/24

59mm...........63mm..............68mm............70mm............73mm..............76mm................79mm

Western Outlaw measured the deck height of Fury at 2.750 inches=70mm or 1/27 scale.
K&C tanks have increased size to have the correct size relationship with the figures. Realism rules!
 
Looking carefully at the photos, I'd say the sizing of the tank and figures are spot on. If I wasn't downsizing my collection, I'd buy the set in a heartbeat. Well done K & C!
 
Now that we know the size of Fury; what is the size of the figures without bases? I really like the concept of no bases; much more realistic. Plus you can position them on or in vehicles. K&C is doing neat things!
 
I hope that K&C continues this trend of maintaining the correct size relationship between the vehicles and figures. The Karl Otto figure and Tiger I also maintain this correct size relation ship; resulting in a very realistic display. I look forward to a K&C Comet tank in the same 1/27 scale!
 
I thought this was supposed to be a 1/30 hobby, not a 1/28 or even a 1/27 hobby. Making things larger and larger just adds further inconsistency. This is not only a one manufacturer problem but applies to many.

I expect nothing will happen. It's like the old Mark Twain saying. "Everyone talks about the weather but no one does anything about it."
 
katana said:
I hope that K&C continues this trend of maintaining the correct size relationship between the vehicles and figures. The Karl Otto figure and Tiger I also maintain this correct size relation ship; resulting in a very realistic display. I look forward to a K&C Comet tank in the same 1/27 scale!
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1/27 scale ^&confuse^&confuse:confused:
 
Brad: From a business perspective it makes perfect sense; controlled obsolescense. Forcing the customer to constantly upgrade their collection to remain current and/or compatable! The migration from the prior standard Toy Soldier scale of 1/32 (54mm) to 1/30 (60mm) and now to 1/27 (65 mm) is consistant with this philosophy. You move to a new scale with new products thus obsolete your old and your competitions products at the same time. FOV owned the 1/32 Armor market in terms of price/performance. Polystone could not compete so the answer was to create a new 1/30 scale, incompatable with the old 1/32 scale. The same process has occured many times in many different products. The new 1/30 scale offered larger figures with more detail and some unique vehicles not produced in 1/32. The same process is now being repeated with a move from 1/30 to 1/27 for the same reasons. Competition in 1/30 has increased; move to a new scale, bigger is better and you get more for your money! The old obsolete products feed the secondary market as [Rare Retired Collectables]! Everybody wins except the collector trying to build a collection of compatable scale pieces over time. Maddicus; who I confused with Jazzeum in a prior post; took extensive issue with TCS for this same problem of changing scales and obsoleting existing products; as his new TCS 1/28 Panzer IV looked silly with his TCS 1/30 Tiger I and Panther. The biggest problem I see in this whole process is the dishonest advertising that labels 1/27-1/28 figures/vehicles as 1/30. Toy Soldier manufacturers need to correctly label their products.
 
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