The Crucifixion (1 Viewer)

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Here’s something a wee bit different... A few weeks back the Church I attend in Hong Kong was having a Gala Dinner to raise funds. Part of the evening was a Charity Auction where church members donated items, goods or services to be auctioned off on the night.

Yours truly donated this small 15” x 12” diorama / display of the Crucifixion... and here it is... a mixture of “Life of Jesus” figures with “Ancient Rome” pieces.
Hope you like it.

All the best,
Andy

 

[FrankDrake]

Super Diorama. {bravo}}

Unfortunately, no one would understand at home, very Catholic with us.
I already hear my mother-in-law "the crucifixion as a toy, that's not possible".

Günther

 

[Alexander the Great]

Super Diorama. {bravo}}

Unfortunately, no one would understand at home, very Catholic with us.
I already hear my mother-in-law "the crucifixion as a toy, that's not possible".

Günther

I had the same moral reservations on this piece (and one from Russia). Did not feel right to place a piece such as this amongst toy soldiers/model figures.

 

[Horus]

I done similar dioramas of crucifixion both depicting enemies of Roman, one a tribal leader and the other representing Christ on his cross a while back.




I also was a bit leery of owning and displaying such a powerful image, but then thought we are happy to depict the Nativity scenes and celebrate the birth of Christ. But are squeamish of displaying rebels / Christ being tortured and being put to death in such a sadistic way. Though for the Romans they found this for their purposes, such displays of violence pretty effective to a degree in helping them keep a lid on unrest.
To the Romans Empire of the time, Christ was seen as just another trouble maker in their troublesome province of Judea.

K&C making such figures is not very different in that sense to other figures suffering torture under an occupying force in their ww2 ranges that while it stirs some thought and comment. But not same as portraying a Crucifixion

Food for thought perhaps .
Any way that's my tuppence worth.

Steve

 

[Currahee Chris]

To the Romans Empire of the time, Christ was seen as just another trouble maker in their troublesome province of Judea.

Hello Steve

I like your pictures- especially the first one- the dark clouds look very ominous and foreboding.

The Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth is a very interesting tragedy in history. The scholarly works from both the Biblical side as well as the Roman/ antiquities side are really portraying a balanced set of actors all with very human motivations. The whole process was not a black and white Jesus=bad therefore crucifixion is the only option (as I am sure you are aware as you strike me as very knowledgeable on the Ancient world). There were several instances where the Romans tried to intercede on the behalf of Jesus's life. Roman law didn't warrant his actions as death by crucifixion- many actors were involved to bring the ultimate sacrifice to bear. Unfortunately, these events had a massive butterfly effect from that point on and throughout time resulting in the death of millions of people (as I feel this was the catalyst for anti-Semitic views throughout history). I cannot imagine there was a bigger event in history than this.

Best regards
CC

 

[Horus]

Always too easy for those who are too lazy to look into things themselves to point the finger at a different way of doing things and say, This is wrong

Steve

 

[Horus]

Hello Steve

I like your pictures- especially the first one- the dark clouds look very ominous and foreboding.

The Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth is a very interesting tragedy in history. The scholarly works from both the Biblical side as well as the Roman/ antiquities side are really portraying a balanced set of actors all with very human motivations. The whole process was not a black and white Jesus=bad therefore crucifixion is the only option (as I am sure you are aware as you strike me as very knowledgeable on the Ancient world). There were several instances where the Romans tried to intercede on the behalf of Jesus's life. Roman law didn't warrant his actions as death by crucifixion- many actors were involved to bring the ultimate sacrifice to bear. Unfortunately, these events had a massive butterfly effect from that point on and throughout time resulting in the death of millions of people (as I feel this was the catalyst for anti-Semitic views throughout history). I cannot imagine there was a bigger event in history than this.

Best regards
CC

Sadly you're quite right and almost everyday you hear in the news of pathetic anti Jewish rhetoric seeping out of the lips of those who cannot take the blame for their own faults and problems they have caused themselves and others to suffer. Always easy to point a finger away from their own deficiencies. No one ever wants to put their hand up for their own faults.

Steve

I'm C of E (Church of England) and have no axe to grind against another older religion then my own and I'd rather discuss Toy Soldiers and the collecting of same. ^&grin

 

[mikemiller1955]

I bought and own this figure...
it's not used in my display to represent Jesus...
but more of an unidentified enemy of Rome...
where crucifixions of slaves, enemies and criminals were comoon...
how you chose to use your figure in your photo...
or Andy's display...
doesn't upset me...
well done job to both of you...

 

[King & Country]

I bought and own this figure...
it's not used in my display to represent Jesus...
but more of an unidentified enemy of Rome...
where crucifixions of slaves, enemies and criminals were comoon...
how you chose to use your figure in your photo...
or Andy's display...
doesn't upset me...
well done job to both of you...

Many thanks Guys for all your responses...

Here's my take...The Crucifixion has been depicted in books, movies, television, plays, paintings and sculpture for almost two millennia...So, why not in miniature figures or toy soldiers come to that..?

Best wishes for the weekend,
Andy.

P.S. And it raised several thousands of dollars for our Church I'm delighted to say.

 

[wayne556517]

Politics and religion should not be apart of this forum like in real life will only cause Drama's.
So to me it's just some bloke hanging out lol

 

[King & Country]

Politics and religion should not be apart of this forum like in real life will only cause Drama's.
So to me it's just some bloke hanging out lol

No drama mate...By all means describe it or call it what you will...It's still mostly a free world.

In my mind, I designed it...I built it...and I 'christened' it too plus...just wanted to share it with some fellow collectors.

All the best,
Andy.

 

[Horus]

No drama mate...By all means describe it or call it what you will...It's still mostly a free world.

In my mind, I designed it...I built it...and I 'christened' it too plus...just wanted to share it with some fellow collectors.

All the best,
Andy.

And a brilliant job you done in the depiction of a Crucifixion and giving us collectors the ability to make various dioramic scenes of that side of Rome if we wish to. Not that other civilisations punishments were any less gentle to our 21st Century eyes. Think of the outrage the Sultan of Brunei recently experienced from other countries.

Of course if someone was wanting to depict the resolve of Crassus after putting down Spartacus and the Slave revolt you'd need quite a few of these.

And speaking of Spartacus, who can forget the final scenes of the Kirk Douglas film. Aimed at stirring emotions in viewers, which I think it certainly did as do all scenes of a Crucifixion do to me.

Steve

 

[hotel3alpha]

All,

Went to Mexico City last week for business and had a day to tour the museums and sites. Fortunately we had a chaperon who gave me a brief on Motezuma II. Awful story, and what is worse his nephew (Cuauhtémoc) who assumed the throne had his feet burned and and hanged by the Hernan Cortes. Brutal, and imagine that diorama.

I hold no judgement on the figures and the diorama and those who make them or do or do not buy them. Seen it in the bible, history books, movies and every time I walk into a Catholic church...there is Christ looking upwards, crown of thrones and hanging from the cross...life size for all to see. He is on the rosary, in taxi's in Mexico, the USA and the Philippines.

My two bits,

John from Texas

 

[Peiper007]

I am not overly religious, but having met Andy on a number of occasions I think his motives and ideals were honest and true, to raise funds for his church and I commend that. Look at why it was done and what the results were, all good.

Judge people by their actions and deeds.

 

[ccdc11]

I think it's very well done and while not a religious man myself I like it. That being said, the first thing that popped into my mind was the song " always look on the bright side of life"

 

[The Colonel]

I like it too, you took a lot of time making it and it looks very realistic. If the Pope collected model soldiers, He would most likely have it in His collection.

 

[tdubel]

I agree with Andy, it is probably one of the if not biggest events in history regardless of religion. No problem here, this is not a religious nor MODERN political discussion, it is a historical one, the same as the Huns, Mongols, Confederates, Nazis, it is history and deserves to be discussed and represented. And one more comment, historical politics play a role in any history lesson/discussion, in this case Roman and Judea politics played a big role here and are a fascinating study.

My 2 bits. As has been said many times, many ways...……... If you don't like that or cannot fathom it, simple, do not read the thread. A discussion of history should never be offensive, it is simply a study of facts and the generally accepted interpretation of said facts. The outcome has been decided, so to waste time trying to change/rewrite it is ludicrous, simply study it and learn from it.

TD