The NJ Toy Soldier Military & Miniature Figure Show and Sale - March 3rd. (1 Viewer)

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The NJ Toy Soldier Military & Miniature Figure Show and Sale

Hilton Hotel, 650 Terrace Avenue, Hasbrouck Heights, NJ

Sunday, March 3, 2019

9:00a - 3:00p

Admission for Adults: $6.00, Children Under 10: Free with Adult

For Information call: Ed Gries at 201-342-6475 or 201-257-2687

Hobby Bunker, AeroArt, Tom Dubel/Treefrog Treasures, Relic Amusements, The Jones Brothers and other dealers will be there!
 
The NJ Toy Soldier Military & Miniature Figure Show and Sale

Hilton Hotel, 650 Terrace Avenue, Hasbrouck Heights, NJ

Sunday, March 3, 2019

9:00a - 3:00p

Admission for Adults: $6.00, Children Under 10: Free with Adult

For Information call: Ed Gries at 201-342-6475 or 201-257-2687

Hobby Bunker, AeroArt, Tom Dubel, Relic Amusements, The Jones Brothers and other dealers will be there!


Matt is on the ball! Yes, we will do the fun all again in a short week nearer our Northeastern Friends!

Tom
 
This is a show I will not patronize anymore. I will be sorry to miss Tom, Matt and AeroArt but I will not attend this show any longer. It once used to be a great show, but no longer.
 
This is a show I will not patronize anymore. I will be sorry to miss Tom, Matt and AeroArt but I will not attend this show any longer. It once used to be a great show, but no longer.

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This is a show I will not patronize anymore. I will be sorry to miss Tom, Matt and AeroArt but I will not attend this show any longer. It once used to be a great show, but no longer.

I never went to this show. But what is bad about it?
 
The number and quality of dealers has been declining over time. Some of the people selling there have little in the way of toy soldiers. For example, last year I only went because I had to pick something up from Tom Dubel and see what AeroArt had. After I did that I was finished looking around in no more than 10 minutes. The last time I was there Hobby Bunker didn’t attend. Dutkins used to go but now he’s retired and doesn’t go to shows.

I wish this wasn’t the situation but sadly it is.
 
Brad and I differ on this and it is his right. Shows are getting more scarce, but I attend all that I can to either sell and trade or frankly to buy. As a hobby, the promoter of this show is trying to improve it. He has gotten a larger ballroom and is trying to make it a better show. I do know there will be some independent sales there this time and I believe if you have fun going to a show to search and visit, they are all worthwhile, if you are only looking for the brand new stuff, then I would say you are better shopping online. There are some unique finds at these shows to be sure.

We all continue to lament the fact that hobby stores are getting scarce, etc, well, you have to go and support them to keep them going, really it is about supporting the hobby.

And I will put something out there on this thread since I saw Brad James post a like. Brad is part of MFCA and quite frankly, this may sound harsh, but MFCA last year was one of the worst attended shows from a dealer sales perspective I have ever seen and I believe George and Matt will attest to that too. My sales consisted of a very large trade with a friend and some other misc items! It was 2 tough days. Additionally, Russ S. (owner of HM of Russia) told me that Zach and I were his two best customers and frankly it was b/c he was right across from us and we kept looking at his figures out of boredom that we bought every few hours!!!!!!!! All of that said, I will be back attending the show and hoping that it will improve, but if I turned in my hat, and George did and Matt did , etc etc, it would start to dwindle. As I think Matt's point was earlier, if you want the hobby to keep on going, you have to support it and that is not only attending shows, but also introducing new blood to the hobby, both young and old. History is a wonderful thing, and this is one of the best ways to enjoy it IMO.


Additionally, I can tell you as an avid buyer, deals are to be had at shows. If you stop supporting them, then the secondary market will consist solely of auction sales and I can attest that lately auctions are bringing some pretty outrageous bids on certain items and bargains are going to be scarce. Good as a seller, bad as a buyer and a model that will surely not be sustainable.

TD
 
Tom is fond of saying there are some unique finds there but having attended this show as it has become, there is little, if anything, that is unique or worthwhile seeing. With a show that has shrunk in size, it doesn’t take long to see if there is anything worth purchasing.

Although I didn’t mention the promoter or put his name in issue, since Tom has, I fail to see anything he has done to improve the show. As I have pointed out, this show is getting worse, not better. Tom, as a supporter of his shows, is not being completely candid or free of conflict of interest when he says otherwise.

I don’t necessarily agree that you shouldn’t come to a show if you are only looking for new stuff as it’s always useful to see the things “in the flesh.”

For me, it’s not worth the fifty minute drive to the show and the ten minutes I’m there. It’s just not a productive or enjoyable waste of time.

Regarding MFCA, I disagree somewhat with Tom. I managed to find some of those unique finds he likes to talk about, not to mention the drive is a bit more enjoyable.
 
Tom is fond of saying there are some unique finds there but having attended this show as it has become, there is little, if anything, that is unique or worthwhile seeing. With a show that has shrunk in size, it doesn’t take long to see if there is anything worth purchasing.

Although I didn’t mention the promoter or put his name in issue, since Tom has, I fail to see anything he has done to improve the show. As I have pointed out, this show is getting worse, not better. Tom, as a supporter of his shows, is not being completely candid or free of conflict of interest when he says otherwise.

I don’t necessarily agree that you shouldn’t come to a show if you are only looking for new stuff as it’s always useful to see the things “in the flesh.”

For me, it’s not worth the fifty minute drive to the show and the ten minutes I’m there. It’s just not a productive or enjoyable waste of time.

Regarding MFCA, I disagree somewhat with Tom. I managed to find some of those unique finds he likes to talk about, not to mention the drive is a bit more enjoyable.

Brad,

I am not sure where I was not being transparent. There are 2 large dealers in our hobby (Treefrog and Hobby Bunker) that are trying to support this show. Eddie has moved the show for this Sunday to the larger ballroom to provide a better atmosphere for the show instead of the smaller lower level show rooms. He has been working with a lot of the vendors who came to the East Coast show in Hackensack to push for more momentum for Jersey Shows. He is not online which doesn't help him, but that is why Matt and Julie are promoting the show to their customer bases. Additionally, for all the grief Eddie receives, it really isn't that fair because I can tell you if it were not for him and a number of Bill Lango's hobby friends (George included), there probably would not have been an East Coast show this year and quite frankly, that show was one of the best in years and I hope the family (if they want to) continues it.

The whole point of my post is that if as a hobby you want shows to continue, you have to support them.

Additionally - MFCA - I am not saying it is not enjoyable or unique in the least. What I was pointing out was - as a dealer - it was poorly attended compared to the past and quite frankly, sales were much less than desirable last year - a common theme among shows. Point being, it is suffering the same pressures as any other show.

As far as unique - The Jones Brothers - dealers who work from the East coast to the Chicago shows have some very nice traditional toy soldiers that range from Mignot to Artist Figurines (Labell, MCC, etc). And quite frankly, you never know what Eddie will bring from his inventory that ranges from Metal Shed to Dimestore. I am not sure how you get much more unique than his tables!

I understand the show may not be for you and you didn't enjoy it, but I think you have to be fair to the hobby in saying, that at least someone is trying to make it a go.

TD
 
Tom,

I think we've discussed these points sufficiently and I've been sufficiently clear so I don't there's anything more substantially to add, except for a couple of points. As the saying goes, "I don't chew my cabbage twice."

As far as the Jones Brothers, who are very nice people, they tend to bring the same merchandise show after show.

ut I think you have to be fair to the hobby in saying, that at least someone is trying to make it a go.


No comment.
 
...And I will put something out there on this thread since I saw Brad James post a like. Brad is part of MFCA and quite frankly, this may sound harsh, but MFCA last year was one of the worst attended shows from a dealer sales perspective I have ever seen and I believe George and Matt will attest to that too. My sales consisted of a very large trade with a friend and some other misc items! It was 2 tough days. Additionally, Russ S. (owner of HM of Russia) told me that Zach and I were his two best customers and frankly it was b/c he was right across from us and we kept looking at his figures out of boredom that we bought every few hours!!!!!!!!...

Your comment is a good one, Tom, because it illustrates the personal nature of impressions of any given show. Every vendor I talked to had the opposite comment. Generally, vendors reported having a good show.

As far as Russ Sahlberg goes, he may have had slow sales on the Russian figures, but he sells other things, too. I buy old Stadden castings from him, for example. It may be that Russian connoisseur pieces are in a special category of their own, because of their price. There were other vendors selling them, who did well, by their own account.

As George always says, if you have products that people want, you will do well.

Prost!
Brad
 
The number and quality of dealers has been declining over time. Some of the people selling there have little in the way of toy soldiers. For example, last year I only went because I had to pick something up from Tom Dubel and see what AeroArt had. After I did that I was finished looking around in no more than 10 minutes. The last time I was there Hobby Bunker didn’t attend. Dutkins used to go but now he’s retired and doesn’t go to shows.

I wish this wasn’t the situation but sadly it is.

...since I saw Brad James post a like...

I should offer a clarification of my "like" to Brad's (jazzeum's) comment above. I understood him to mean that the number and quality of dealers at this particular show has been declining, and I've observed that myself. So I showed my agreement with a "like".

I know the promoter, and in my observation, he has made a couple of mistakes, over the past ten years or so. One is that he overreached himself in adding some additional, smaller shows to his schedule. The other is that he has been more, frugal, shall we say, than perhaps was wise. As a vendor, as a businessman, of course making money on your ventures is the primary goal. But my observation of this particular promoter is that he's pushed the pendulum too far in the direction of saving money.

An example is his now-defunct Langhorne show. For about ten years, he staged a show in Langhorne, PA, on an off-weekend in November. It was a small show, about fifty tables, but a good one for a number of years. But eventually the venue priced him out. He moved the show to Neshaminy, a little north of Philly, to a small, dingy venue, hard to get to, and with only about 25 tables. Of the vendors who followed the show to the new location, half fled after the first year, and it lasted about another two years. The promoter had the majority of tables himself in those two years.

At the same time, his New Jersey suffered its decline. That's why Brad's (jazzeum's) comment is apt. It's an accurate observation.

Now, also at the same time, the promoter's Heart of the South show has been consistently successful, at least, to hear everyone's comments after each show.

If he is trying now to bring his New Jersey show back, then good for him. Perhaps he learned the lesson and is concentrating again on his core shows, instead of trying to do too much.

Prost!
Brad
 
I should offer a clarification of my "like" to Brad's (jazzeum's) comment above. I understood him to mean that the number and quality of dealers at this particular show has been declining, and I've observed that myself. So I showed my agreement with a "like".

I know the promoter, and in my observation, he has made a couple of mistakes, over the past ten years or so. One is that he overreached himself in adding some additional, smaller shows to his schedule. The other is that he has been more, frugal, shall we say, than perhaps was wise. As a vendor, as a businessman, of course making money on your ventures is the primary goal. But my observation of this particular promoter is that he's pushed the pendulum too far in the direction of saving money.

An example is his now-defunct Langhorne show. For about ten years, he staged a show in Langhorne, PA, on an off-weekend in November. It was a small show, about fifty tables, but a good one for a number of years. But eventually the venue priced him out. He moved the show to Neshaminy, a little north of Philly, to a small, dingy venue, hard to get to, and with only about 25 tables. Of the vendors who followed the show to the new location, half fled after the first year, and it lasted about another two years. The promoter had the majority of tables himself in those two years.

At the same time, his New Jersey suffered its decline. That's why Brad's (jazzeum's) comment is apt. It's an accurate observation.

Now, also at the same time, the promoter's Heart of the South show has been consistently successful, at least, to hear everyone's comments after each show.

If he is trying now to bring his New Jersey show back, then good for him. Perhaps he learned the lesson and is concentrating again on his core shows, instead of trying to do too much.

Prost!
Brad


Brad,
You make some valid points, but I think the point is there is effort from more than just Eddie to bring back his shows and he is trying. Big issue is venues in Jersey - the majority of affordable hotel space (Sunday space) in that market is booked by Church, Synagogue, Religious groups as they can't afford their own venues, so they give a 2 year contract to a hotel for every Sunday! Tough one to go against. Admittedly I like shows b/c I like the social aspect and the hunt. If I was only concerned about sales, I would sit on my backside and sell on ebay all day as it will over time and beat every show revenue possible.

Regarding MFCA, I love the show and the exhibits, hence the reason I go and participate and will continue. However, as in all shows, sales expectations have declined, the attendance is not what it used to be from a dealer or attendee as I am sure you are well aware. I recently reviewed a map of vendor area from MFCA about 6 or so years ago. Unfortunately, a lot of the vendors were either retired, passed away or out of business. Compared to last years vendor hall, it was probably at least double the number of vendors.

As to what sells, well I gave up on figuring that out a long time ago b/c I have shows where stuff I never think will sell all sells and vice versa. That is part of the fun.

Again, I am going to promote not only the shows I got to as a seller, but the ones I am a buyer at and in between. The more they continue, the more the hobby carries on. As long as someone is willing to put a show together, I am going to do my best to be there in some capacity. For me, that is part of my hobby.

TD
 
Tom,

I think we've discussed these points sufficiently and I've been sufficiently clear so I don't there's anything more substantially to add, except for a couple of points. As the saying goes, "I don't chew my cabbage twice."

As far as the Jones Brothers, who are very nice people, they tend to bring the same merchandise show after show.



No comment.

Brad,

I am not downplaying your opinion or experience nor am I degrading it, we all have different viewpoints. I try to support all the shows I can in some capacity as I stated, it makes the hobby fun for me.

TD
 
I love shows great and small. It truly is the only time I get to hang out with most of you. There have been many shows I walk away from empty handed, but still feel that it was worth the trip. For me, finding that rare piece is bonus, not the reason to go.
 
I just returned from the VA show. Similar in size to this NJ show. Attendance was good, sales were good and myself and my customers left happy. I picked up some toys for my kids and did some trading with 2 dealers.

I didn't attend NJ last year because I was at the West Coaster.

I send out a few emails and turns out several of my good long time customers and friends will be there. I will make it worth while for them and they will make it worth while for me.

I am also tying in a side trip to do an appraisal for someone.

So if I don't catch Sunday I'll see you another time. Worse case scenario I'll have a beer with Tom!
 
I just returned from the VA show. Similar in size to this NJ show. Attendance was good, sales were good and myself and my customers left happy. I picked up some toys for my kids and did some trading with 2 dealers.

I didn't attend NJ last year because I was at the West Coaster.

I send out a few emails and turns out several of my good long time customers and friends will be there. I will make it worth while for them and they will make it worth while for me.

I am also tying in a side trip to do an appraisal for someone.

So if I don't catch Sunday I'll see you another time. Worse case scenario I'll have a beer with Tom!

I can only do Vodka rocks right now due to diet, but still happy to have the drink!!
Tom
 

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