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[Horus]

Vermin control in I Corps




Steve

 

[Barkmann]

Vermin control in I Corps

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Steve

Bit much calling them rats and vermin, the Vietnamese are humans and they were defending, successfully, their country against foreign invaders, the Americans. Think the premise of this post may cross the line and is offensive.

 

[vincent1973]

I have to agree.

Bit much calling them rats and vermin, the Vietnamese are humans and they were defending, successfully, their country against foreign invaders, the Americans. Think the premise of this post may cross the line and is offensive.

 

[Horus]

Bit much calling them rats and vermin, the Vietnamese are humans and they were defending, successfully, their country against foreign invaders, the Americans. Think the premise of this post may cross the line and is offensive.

I have to agree.

My little dioramas are intended to show life in the field as opposed to Ceremonial Parades and as such,
Soldiers training in part is dehumanising the enemy and for the US troops at the time the Viet Cong / N.VA were the enemy and that is what I intended to show in my diorama.
Perhaps there are Americans and others who find your term of referring to Americans as Septic tanks offensive too !

Anyway, feel free to have the moderators remove the post. I have things to do

Steve

 

[Mike97]

Bit much calling them rats and vermin, the Vietnamese are humans and they were defending, successfully, their country against foreign invaders, the Americans. Think the premise of this post may cross the line and is offensive.

I think you have to 'put yourself in the moment'...back in my younger days, I used every bad name I could think of (and made up a few new ones) to use against the people who might've tried to kill me. I reckon that's what Steve was getting at in his post and I took no offense to it.

 

[Mike97]

My bad, meant to also compliment the scene---very well done as always.

 

[Barkmann]

My little dioramas are intended to show life in the field as opposed to Ceremonial Parades and as such,
Soldiers training in part is dehumanising the enemy and for the US troops at the time the Viet Cong / N.VA were the enemy and that is what I intended to show in my diorama.
Perhaps there are Americans and others who find your term of referring to Americans as Septic tanks offensive too !

Anyway, feel free to have the moderators remove the post. I have things to do

Steve

Had fun spending your time looking through my posts to justify yours, Septic Tank is slang for Yanks, pretty much like Limey is/was a slang term for Brits. Nice try at deflective justification thou, but not logical, as doing something offensive does not make it OK by pointing out something someone else has done which you think other people might have found offensive, but good to know you offended on someone else’s behalf, it saved them putting something on the forum, must have done because no one did………………………….

Showing real life, many of us do in our dios, but there is a line not to cross, will you have a My Lia dio, maybe one of the Hanoi Hilton, none of these are combat/fighting, they would be just crass and insensitive.

Training to dehumanise the enemy was true, there were derogative terms used for the Vietnamese [which I will not put here] but not Rats or Vermin, it is you, though the post, who have called them Vermin and Rats. Interest read on Rats in Vietnam is The Tunnels of Cu Chi by Tom Mangold, John Penycate, excellent read, but these Rats were from the US and their Allies.

 

[Barkmann]

I think you have to 'put yourself in the moment'...back in my younger days, I used every bad name I could think of (and made up a few new ones) to use against the people who might've tried to kill me. I reckon that's what Steve was getting at in his post and I took no offense to it.

I agree with your 'put yourself in the moment' comment as during my 16-year service I also used some derogative names for the then enemy, but I would not have put them a couple of decades later on a worldwide open forum. Plus, I do not think Rats or Vermin was a common name for the VC, I have not read it in al the many texts, fiction and non-fiction, I would recommend NFG, The Dying Place and Force Recon Diary 1969.
I actually thought the dio was quite good, just an ill-chosen title and text, because calling any race vermin and rats is not right [now individuals might be different]. For me it might have been better if it was Sniffing out the Enemy.
This will be my final comment on this thread, as with too many threads they start talking about non-Toy Soldier subjects.

 

[Horus]

Had fun spending your time looking through my posts to justify yours, Septic Tank is slang for Yanks, pretty much like Limey is/was a slang term for Brits. Nice try at deflective justification thou, but not logical, as doing something offensive does not make it OK by pointing out something someone else has done which you think other people might have found offensive, but good to know you offended on someone else’s behalf, it saved them putting something on the forum, must have done because no one did………………………….

Showing real life, many of us do in our dios, but there is a line not to cross, will you have a My Lia dio, maybe one of the Hanoi Hilton, none of these are combat/fighting, they would be just crass and insensitive.

Training to dehumanise the enemy was true, there were derogative terms used for the Vietnamese [which I will not put here] but not Rats or Vermin, it is you, though the post, who have called them Vermin and Rats. Interest read on Rats in Vietnam is The Tunnels of Cu Chi by Tom Mangold, John Penycate, excellent read, but these Rats were from the US and their Allies.

No I didn't need to look through your previous posts since I remembered you coming out with that and other comments, you think you are so clever making !
At least we can agree on one thing, depicting My Lai or the Hanoi Hilton would be crass and insensitive, though as I'm sure you know the Government of Vietnam does depict such events in their own museums.

Steve

 

[bridport]

I think the Government of Vietnam quite rightly depicts these events because they were crimes against humanity.

The narrative that the Americans were the ‘good’ guys is quite crass and naive.

A lot of Americans knew they were there for no good reason.

Any student of the literature & politics of the period confirms this.

The Vietnamese courageously resisted an aggressive invader by innovative & courageous means.

They were not ‘Rats’.

 

[Mike97]

Anyway, very good scene, well done, nuff said.

 

[OzDigger]

I agree with your 'put yourself in the moment' comment as during my 16-year service I also used some derogative names for the then enemy, but I would not have put them a couple of decades later on a worldwide open forum. Plus, I do not think Rats or Vermin was a common name for the VC, I have not read it in al the many texts, fiction and non-fiction, I would recommend NFG, The Dying Place and Force Recon Diary 1969.
I actually thought the dio was quite good, just an ill-chosen title and text, because calling any race vermin and rats is not right [now individuals might be different]. For me it might have been better if it was Sniffing out the Enemy.
This will be my final comment on this thread, as with too many threads they start talking about non-Toy Soldier subjects.

Hey no worries, don't let actual facts get in the way of your beliefs.

 

[GICOP]

Vermin control in I Corps

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Steve

Great pictures Steve :salute::

Stay safe mate

Martyn