Ticonderoga - Wall Pieces (2 Viewers)

You won my award! Truly SUPERIOR!!:eek::eek::eek: Even a wall gun I see.... I just can't wait to see. Very VERY VeRy VEEEEEEEEERRRRRRYYYYYYY nice. By the way, are those reeds, like I had suggested, and how are they working? Whatever they are, just incredible....

Sandor...

thanks for the vote of confidence...

they are tree branch clippings...I try to find the similar size branches out of neighbors yard work remnants on their curbs...and snip them off...the hard part is finding really straight ones that are the same width...just the slightest bow in one and it won't work...

I think my neighbors think I'm crazy...I walk my dog two or three times a day and find the tree clippings...then at night...when it's dark...I attack...hehehe...

I have seen them slow down at night...even turn on their bright lights...I can almost hear them thinking...

"What is that nut doing"

every time I steal them...I half expect them to call the cops on me...but I take care to never make a mess...
 
Mike:

You ARE crazy...you must know that! Do you wear camo and blacken your face when you are cutting these twigs?!

You should really ask John if he can sculpt a few figures cutting and placing the logs....think of the time it would save you...it would be like the shoemaker and the elves...come back in the morning, and it's all done!
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TiconderogaJeffreys1758.jpg

This map is zoomable and may be of interest to those doing dioramas. You can see two entrances or passages through the breastwork and it shows the locations of the paths that Mike talked about. Explains how the french screening troops and scouts were safely able to enter the breastwork after being driven off by the British in the first stages of the battle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:CarillonBattle.svg

From this map, you can figure out where the french regiments were in relation to the first map. For example, the Bearn were to the immediate right of one of the paths leading through the breastwork and the Berry to the left (French view). I am thinking that this position was at the center of much of the battle.

I could be wrong, but the second passage throught the breastwork might be centered on the Languedoc.
 
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FRAXIMUS.....
Thankyou for a very interesting post with very good
information on fort Carillon for deployment of troops, road made
by french, and openings in abattis for french troops to enter. I
have been doing research for the past few weeks to start working
on my project I am glad I waited. Thanks again.
 
Mike:

You ARE crazy...you must know that! Do you wear camo and blacken your face when you are cutting these twigs?!

You should really ask John if he can sculpt a few figures cutting and placing the logs....think of the time it would save you...it would be like the shoemaker and the elves...come back in the morning, and it's all done!

Nicely commented on Nicholas an with all the building he's been doing he could use a little help from the Shoemaker an Elves. By the way Sir Michael very nicely done to date an looking forward to the finishing results an seeing it manned.......PapaZ
 
That's a nice link Sandor...I like the Culverin but it's 22mm...should be extremely small...Ken should love this sight...guns at wholesale prices...he needs to man 4 walls of a very large fort he is building....
 
That's a nice link Sandor...I like the Culverin but it's 22mm...should be extremely small...Ken should love this sight...guns at wholesale prices...he needs to man 4 walls of a very large fort he is building....

I know about the culverin... I tried to find a larger one, but couldn't find any. If you take some brass wire, you could add a mount and a handle thing to the other one, though.
 
I rounded up a ton of branches today...making some progress on gluing timbers to the green foam...here's some pictures...it sure is easier building this thing with something to glue to (the foam) instead of building it free standing...I will notch the highest timbers with loopholes for musket protection...I'm happy with the way it's progressing...

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I rounded up a ton of branches today...making some progress on gluing timbers to the green foam...here's some pictures...it sure is easier building this thing with something to glue to (the foam) instead of building it free standing...I will notch the highest timbers with loopholes for musket protection...I'm happy with the way it's progressing...

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These look great Michael.

Cheers

Martyn:)
 
From Ian Steele's book on the Siege of Fort William Henry:

Besides cannon, mortars and howitizers, the British at Fort William Henry had 13 swivel guns on fort walls and 4 swivel guns at the colonial encampment outside the fort -- (on the log breastworks). I expect the French had more than a handlefull of these available for use during the Battle of Carillon (Ticonderoga).
 
I expect the French had more than a handlefull of these available for use during the Battle of Carillon (Ticonderoga).

Ken...I might have misunderstood an earlier post of yours...do you have any actual research that swivel guns were used on the breastwork of Montcalm's defense at Carillion?^&confuse
 
Yes, wall pieces. From a Lt. William Grant of the 42nd as cited in William Nesters book - Ticonderoga.


"We laboured under insurmontable difficulties; the enemy's breastwork was about nine or ten feet high, upon the top of which they had plenty of wallpieces fixed and well lined with small arms. But the difficult access to their lines was what gave them a fatal advantage over us; they took care to cut down monstrous large fir and oak trees ....."

"which gave the enemy an abundance of time to mow us down like a field of corn with their wall pieces and small arms"

If making a diorama wall, you might want to have at least 1 spot on the top of the wall where it is wide enough to safely stand a single figure - a young french officer waving his sword at the British --- upon which he tied a red piece of cloth. The intent of the french officer was to taunt the British, but the British interpreted the action as the French surrendering to the British (he was waving the British Color - red). At the order of the regimental Colonel, the British then approached with clubbed muskets (upside down). Because the British were approaching with clubbed muskets, the French then assumed the British were surrendering to them and stopped firing on the British. The British advanced towards the breastwork. Neither side was firing. Eventually, another French officer figured correctly that neither side was actually surrendering and ordered the French line to again fire at close quarters on the approaching British. British journals are highly critical of the French and accuse them of treachery, deceit and dishonorable action.
Very likely a JJD club figure sometime in the future !!!!
 
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Ken...I might have misunderstood an earlier post of yours...do you have any actual research that swivel guns were used on the breastwork of Montcalm's defense at Carillion?^&confuse

Mike, I read a source recently that said that the French had used four swivel guns at Carillon but I can't put my finger on it just now. According to Amherst's returns of captured ordnance at Carillon in 1759, published in the London Gazette & the London Magazine, there were seven swivel guns & eight "patteraroes mounted on swivels without chambers" along, of course, with the bigger guns. If I can nail down that other source, I'll pass it along.
 
Yes, wall pieces. From a Lt. William Grant of the 42nd as cited in William Nesters book - Ticonderoga.


"We laboured under insurmontable difficulties; the enemy's breastwork was about nine or ten feet high, upon the top of which they had plenty of wallpieces fixed and well lined with small arms. But the difficult access to their lines was what gave them a fatal advantage over us; they took care to cut down monstrous large fir and oak trees ....."

"which gave the enemy an abundance of time to mow us down like a field of corn with their wall pieces and small arms"

If making a diorama wall, you might want to have at least 1 spot on the top of the wall where it is wide enough to safely stand a single figure - a young french officer waving his sword at the British --- upon which he tied a red piece of cloth. The intent of the french officer was to taunt the British, but the British interpreted the action as the French surrendering to the British (he was waving the British Color - red). At the order of the regimental Colonel, the British then approached with clubbed muskets (upside down). Because the British were approaching with clubbed muskets, the French then assumed the British were surrendering to them and stopped firing on the British. The British advanced towards the breastwork. Neither side was firing. Eventually, another French officer figured correctly that neither side was actually surrendering and ordered the French line to again fire at close quarters on the approaching British. British journals are highly critical of the French and accuse them of treachery, deceit and dishonorable action.
Very likely a JJD club figure sometime in the future !!!!

now that my friend was a piece of history worth reading...thank you for your research...I never heard of this aspect of the battle...very interesting...

YES...THAT WOULD MAKE A GREAT FIGURE...I HOPE JJ IS READING THIS

I may send him this link...fantastic anecdote...

Mike, I read a source recently that said that the French had used four swivel guns at Carillon but I can't put my finger on it just now. According to Amherst's returns of captured ordnance at Carillon in 1759, published in the London Gazette & the London Magazine, there were seven swivel guns & eight "patteraroes mounted on swivels without chambers" along, of course, with the bigger guns. If I can nail down that other source, I'll pass it along.

Sans Culotte...thanks for the confirmation on the wall pieces...what you have given me is good enough...but if you do find something else...I would appreciate your posting it...
 
The figure waving at the British would be Captain Jean d' Anglars de Bassignac --- with that name he deserves to be a JJD Club Figure.
 

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