Tiger help (1 Viewer)

[The collector]

Is the "kursk" tiger suitable for a batttle of the bulge dio?

 

[Mitch]

Do you mean colourway and unit markings or variant?
Mitch

Is the "kursk" tiger suitable for a batttle of the bulge dio?

 

[fmethorst]

I'm aware of only two Tiger I units associated with the battle of the Bulge, schwere Panzer-Kompanie "Hummel" (attached to schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506 as 4th company) and schwere Panzer-Abteilung (Tiger/Fkl) 301. The 301 was a Funklenk unit (had remote controlled demolition carriers) but didn't really see action in the main battle.

This leaves schwere Panzer-Kompanie "Hummel" as the only real option. Interestingly this unit was formed from the Panzerersatz and Ausbildangsabteilung 500 (replacement and training units) so it was composed of a variety of old and new Tigers in various configurations. If you aren't fussy about the numbering or unit emblems I suppose the "Kursk Tiger" could stand in for one of these vehicles.

Frank

 

[Guy]

The 301st was not even near the Ardennes. On dec 15th they received word that they were to be attached to the 9th Panzer Div;Transport was scheduled to begin on Dec 20th, however before the rail transport of the Tiger I's couls happen,all of the rail lines had been destroyed. So on Dec 25th the 301st was released from its attachment to the 9th PD.Tigers were unloaded and moved to Nörvenich were it became an Army Group reserve of the LXXXI korps. During the 1st half of Jan 45 they carried out maintenance and personnel reorganization. Hence they never took action in the Ardennes offensive. They did not enter action before Jan 20th against the British at Waldfeucht;
guy

 

[PanzerAce1944]

The 301st was not even near the Ardennes. On dec 15th they received word that they were to be attached to the 9th Panzer Div;Transport was scheduled to begin on Dec 20th, however before the rail transport of the Tiger I's couls happen,all of the rail lines had been destroyed. So on Dec 25th the 301st was released from its attachment to the 9th PD.Tigers were unloaded and moved to Nörvenich were it became an Army Group reserve of the LXXXI korps. During the 1st half of Jan 45 they carried out maintenance and personnel reorganization. Hence they never took action in the Ardennes offensive. They did not enter action before Jan 20th against the British at Waldfeucht;
guy

Thats what I call an answer {bravo}}

 

[Mitch]

Guy....

This unit actually engaged british armour earlier than you state. They fought british tanks and destroyed some anti tank guns without loss at Annendaal on the afternoon of the 8th Jan and the following day the 9th Jan.

As for the use of the K&C Tiger some good info has been supplied but, as Frank has said I would change the unit numbers and divisional emblems or, its just not really usable as it stands.
Mitch

The 301st was not even near the Ardennes. On dec 15th they received word that they were to be attached to the 9th Panzer Div;Transport was scheduled to begin on Dec 20th, however before the rail transport of the Tiger I's couls happen,all of the rail lines had been destroyed. So on Dec 25th the 301st was released from its attachment to the 9th PD.Tigers were unloaded and moved to Nörvenich were it became an Army Group reserve of the LXXXI korps. During the 1st half of Jan 45 they carried out maintenance and personnel reorganization. Hence they never took action in the Ardennes offensive. They did not enter action before Jan 20th against the British at Waldfeucht;
guy

 

[HAWKEYE]

i'm aware of only two tiger i units associated with the battle of the bulge, schwere panzer-kompanie "hummel" (attached to schwere panzer-abteilung 506 as 4th company) and schwere panzer-abteilung (tiger/fkl) 301. The 301 was a funklenk unit (had remote controlled demolition carriers) but didn't really see action in the main battle.

This leaves schwere panzer-kompanie "hummel" as the only real option. Interestingly this unit was formed from the panzerersatz and ausbildangsabteilung 500 (replacement and training units) so it was composed of a variety of old and new tigers in various configurations. If you aren't fussy about the numbering or unit emblems i suppose the "kursk tiger" could stand in for one of these vehicles.

Frank

good to have you back contributing your knowledge to the forum

 

[The collector]

I'm aware of only two Tiger I units associated with the battle of the Bulge, schwere Panzer-Kompanie "Hummel" (attached to schwere Panzer-Abteilung 506 as 4th company) and schwere Panzer-Abteilung (Tiger/Fkl) 301. The 301 was a Funklenk unit (had remote controlled demolition carriers) but didn't really see action in the main battle.

This leaves schwere Panzer-Kompanie "Hummel" as the only real option. Interestingly this unit was formed from the Panzerersatz and Ausbildangsabteilung 500 (replacement and training units) so it was composed of a variety of old and new Tigers in various configurations. If you aren't fussy about the numbering or unit emblems I suppose the "Kursk Tiger" could stand in for one of these vehicles.

Frank

ill use this one until a more suitable version of the Tiger is released. But since i saw the dispatches ,that wont happen for awhile.:rolleyes2:

 

[GJB22]

Just use the King Tiger, much more appropriate.

 

[Guy]

Panzerkompanie"Hummel" assigned to the Schw Panzer Abteilung 506 had 8 Tiger Is ( a mix of all sorts of production types and even a few reconstructed ones using several parts of other knocked out TigerIs) They were attached to the 506th as it's 4 Kompanie, hence the numbers on the turrets starting with 4. I attach a picture of tiger I number 411, knocked out about 10 miles S-E of Bastogne ;
guy

 

[Mitch]

Guy..

I have pics of this Tiger covered in snow with GI's posing in front around 14th Jan 1945 so, it must have stayed in situ for a long time before being removed as there is no snow on the pics you posted and you can clearly see the numerals. what stands out for me on this is the fact that the explosion from inside the tank must have been so ferocious that it blew the gun mantlet cover down the barrel. Not much chance of getting out of a situation like that.
Mitch

 

[Guy]

Guy..

I have pics of this Tiger covered in snow with GI's posing in front around 14th Jan 1945 so, it must have stayed in situ for a long time before being removed as there is no snow on the pics you posted and you can clearly see the numerals. what stands out for me on this is the fact that the explosion from inside the tank must have been so ferocious that it blew the gun mantlet cover down the barrel. Not much chance of getting out of a situation like that.
Mitch

It is the same tiger Mitch, a hybrid model, notice the lower hull of a late production Tiger and the turret of an early production one + steel road wheels. This picture was taken according to my sources in March 45 by some locals of the village of Oberwampach, S-E of Bastogne
guy