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1st Rifle Brigade

1st Rifle Brigade

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Hi all -

I have been thinking about changing my 1917 British soldiers to a different regiment. I wanted to represent soldiers of the 1st Rifle Brigade, a regiment that my great uncle was in on the Somme offensives of 1916.

This means painting new battle insignia and painting the buttons black. Not too difficult, but I have a dilemma...will this undermine their value? Not that I am going to sell them anytime soon, but later on in life, I may need a hip replacement. Well you know what I mean.

Just wanted to know if anyone else has done something like this.

Rif
 
1st Rifle Brigade said:
Hi all -

I have been thinking about changing my 1917 British soldiers to a different regiment. I wanted to represent soldiers of the 1st Rifle Brigade, a regiment that my great uncle was in on the Somme offensives of 1916.

This means painting new battle insignia and painting the buttons black. Not too difficult, but I have a dilemma...will this undermine their value? Not that I am going to sell them anytime soon, but later on in life, I may need a hip replacement. Well you know what I mean.

Just wanted to know if anyone else has done something like this.

Rif
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This is meant in no offence mate, but depending on how good the painting is, they could go for more, the same, or less, for instance I have seen an old King and Country German Panther tank which was originally an early normandy Panther tank painted grey on ebay for about $200 and I think it was sold, but at that time the original tank would have went for about £400 odd.

I am having 4 vehicles repainted soon:

Old quad Limber and Tractor x2 into Normandy camo
Old 8th army 25lb gun into Normandy camo,
m10 French tank destroyer into British guards armoured division markings

And for an Allied British D-Day, or Market Garden collector these may be sets that they would like to have, however it does depend on who is buying it and how good the repaints are!:)

Hope this helps:D
Cheers, Scott
 
Rif mate,
I have 45 sets (FW40 to FW48) with the painter at the moment being converted from their British Regiment to the 46th Aust. Bn. The round yellow shoulder emblem is easily changed to a blue and yellow patch and the black British boot is to be repainted to Aussie brown. The rest remains the same.
Also with the painter at the moment are two (FW49) Mark IV Tanks having their names and numbering changed to give with the original one, three different looking tanks of the one British Troop
When completed their will make up a dio on the Battle of Amiens. My first attempt at this was with the Lighthorsemen, converting some 20 from the 4th LH Regt to the 12th LH Regt. This one was easier because only the patch and guidon had to be changed.
Cheers Howard
 
Scott, thanks for your input. You brought up some interesting points.

Howard, it sounds like you have a major project going on. When completed I would be interested to see the finished display. How big is this going to be?

Cheers, Rif
 
Rif...

I have to agree with these guys. K&C painting is very nice, but it is sometimes difficult to fit a manufacturer's idea of a unit into your dio or display. If that regiment is meaningful to you, by all means, do the repaint. When it comes to value (presuming the level of the repaint was reasonable), you now have a unique set, and that will appeal as much to some buyers as getting their hands on originals. Hell, man...go for it!
 
Howard,

I'd love to see the conversions to the 46th Bn AIF..... I had thought of doing a similar project, but to 48 Bn AIF because my uncle served with them at Battle of Amiens.

He'd be represented by FW045 - Dead Casualty... he copped a bullet and didn't come home in 1918... an 18 yo kid.....

John
 
John mate,
Should be easy to convert to 48th Bn. Blue and White patch painted over the yellow one. Brown boots. You can do it with your painting skills, cobber. Go for it.
I choose the 46th Bn because it was a Victorian Battalion being my home State.
Selected the Battle of Amiens because as General Erich Ludendorff described it as "The black day of the German Army" because of the major advances made. Canadians (Sir Arthur Currie) 8 miles, Aussies (Sir John Monash) 7 miles, British 2 miles and the French 5 miles. A year early if you gain a 100 yards it was considered a major sucess.
I am waiting until I go to Chicago to see what destroyed buildings are available to complete the dio. When finished I will post.
Cheers Howard
 
1st Rifle Brigade said:
but I have a dilemma...will this undermine their value? Rif
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Hey Rif...back to your original question...

I don't want to tick anybody off here...

they are your figures...you can do whatever you want with them...

but I am taking the other side...

I would never re-paint a figure from factory standards if I planned to sell it in the future...

I know nothing about vehicles...re-painting may enhance their value...I don't see how...but I won't give an opinion on a vehicle's resale value because I have never owned or tried to sell any...

I'm just one guy...and I can only speak for what I would purchase...

I would never consider buying a figure that has been repainted...unless it was repainted by the original manufacturer...

Again...I'm just one guy...but if I saw an ad on Ebay for a set I wanted and it had been altered...I would pass on it immediately...same for figure body conversions...

the only exception...if I knew I never planned to see them...

but your question was...

"would it undermine their value"...

to me...YES...it would...

I would not buy altered figures unless it was done by the manufacturer...
 
Rif...

Pay no attention to Michael...he's been drinking all night, and even though I believe he would never paint over a manufacturer's paint job, I know he also appreciates unique sets. Just to prove a point (or at least make an exception, if it is one), if you decide to sell your altered set and can't get the going rate for the piece, I'll buy it! :)
 
I'm sending you a Paypal right now Nick...

I got some sets for you to buy...:D:D:D

then we can drink some Dewar's Red...

smoke your non-filtered $7.00 Camels...

and cast your teeeeeny tiny bricks all night...

ps...be careful dealing with him Rif...he has a bad reputation for swindeling good people like you and me....
 
mikemiller1955 said:
I'm sending you a Paypal right now Nick...

I got some sets for you to buy...:D:D:D

then we can drink some Dewar's Red...

smoke your non-filtered $7.00 Camels...

and cast your teeeeeny tiny bricks all night...

ps...be careful dealing with him Rif...he has a bad reputation for swindeling good people like you and me....
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You joke..but I AM casting teeny tiny bricks right now!
 
I'm getting my K&C King tiger painted as we speak but I'm doing it to improve it but don't think it will add to the value as there already going below RRP on ebay
 
Again, this is a thread of great interest but, one where nobody is right and nobody is wrong. Its your hard earned money and you do as you wish.

There is nothing wrong with repainting I have done hundereds over the years some, for myself the majority for collectors. The value thing is meaningless for the majority as they are after a specific item and, are not bothred about resale value. Thats why you do not see very many on nthe market but, if its done well the ones I have seen will increase in value or, at worst hold original RRP.

There are always those collectors who believe its heracy to do such things but, its not and if you have a specific genre that is not recieving the attention you feel it should then you can repaint. I am currently doing two Tiger II's for a mate who wants SS tigers in Hungary 45. As long as collectors are happy with the collection however it looks is all thats important
Mitch
 
Mitch said:
As long as collectors are happy with the collection however it looks is all thats important
Mitch
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I'd have to agree whole heartedly with that comment.

Be Happy :) :) that's important!

John
 
I have to assume Michael is joking but even if he isn't, I think the important thing is how the piece looks to you. I have had many figures painted and a fair number converted since the originals just didn't have the details or pose I wanted. Of course I sought out the best talent I could find for this purpose and I have even had the affected manufacturers tell me they had to check their inventory lists to be sure the converted figures were not theirs. So if you want to change units I'd say go far it unless you bought for re-sale and not your own pleasure. FWIW, I'd also say some re-painted or converted figures may end up being worth more if they are well done.;)
 
Mitch said:
Again, this is a thread of great interest but, one where nobody is right and nobody is wrong. Its your hard earned money and you do as you wish.

There is nothing wrong with repainting I have done hundereds over the years some, for myself the majority for collectors. The value thing is meaningless for the majority as they are after a specific item and, are not bothred about resale value. Thats why you do not see very many on nthe market but, if its done well the ones I have seen will increase in value or, at worst hold original RRP.

There are always those collectors who believe its heracy to do such things but, its not and if you have a specific genre that is not recieving the attention you feel it should then you can repaint. I am currently doing two Tiger II's for a mate who wants SS tigers in Hungary 45. As long as collectors are happy with the collection however it looks is all thats important
Mitch
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Look forward to you posting photos of the king tigers Mitch ;)
 
1st Rifle Brigade said:
Scott, thanks for your input. You brought up some interesting points.

Howard, it sounds like you have a major project going on. When completed I would be interested to see the finished display. How big is this going to be?

Cheers, Rif
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Glad to help mate!:DHope to see some of your repaints if you do any, love seeing people's own customized figures!:D

Scott
 
uksubs...

I recieved both on monday and have just started looking at the pics of the Hungary SS tigers its going to be interesting with a bit extra pressure as you will be posting yours from your model mate.
Mitch

uksubs said:
Look forward to you posting photos of the king tigers Mitch ;)
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Mitch said:
uksubs...

I recieved both on monday and have just started looking at the pics of the Hungary SS tigers its going to be interesting with a bit extra pressure as you will be posting yours from your model mate.
Mitch
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I like the choice of Hungary SS King tigers :cool:, witch books are you using for reference ?
I found Pz.Kpfw. VI Tiger Ausf. B Konigstiger - Technical and Operational History by Waldemar Trojca is good for colour profiles
 
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