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For all you collectors, the signs are there!

Trains are coming to extend the hobby.

What is your personal opinion?

JP
 
don't think size is an issue, look at the warbirds, trains are more versatile for diplaying the figures , you can put anybody on a train platform, not a LAH collector but a train at a platform with the band , and top brass is one of countless diorama's. The flatbed, panzertruppenwagon etc can display the vehicles and then as Gordon's diorama shows, the derailed train in all its glory.
"ALL ABOARD"
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JPB said:
For all you collectors, the signs are there!

Trains are coming to extend the hobby.

What is your personal opinion?

JP
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Yes, yes, yes. Been looking for armoured trains especially in the larger scales. Hope ot comes true.
Bill W
 
Would be a pretty cool strictly limited piece for sure. A safe place to start would be the WW2 schwerer Panzerspähwagen (Heavy Railcar) single-unit German armored artillery wagons. They were stand-alone powered units that don't require a separate locomotive to run. K&C could make one and see how it sells. There's already 1:35 model kits of this piece by Dragon Models etc.
 
A natural evolution in periods such as ACW through WWII as mechanization played an ever increasing role in battle from rear echelon troop movements to armored trains etc.

Hey, how about the Amerika for LAH range:D!
 
My dad is a big fan of armored trains from all eras. I was just talking to him and I asked him which WW2 German one would be the best (given this is K&C's best selling line), and he told me the Panzertriebwagen Nr. 16 would be cool. Like the one I mentioned above, the Panzertriebwagen was a self-powered unit which makes it easier for K&C to get away with not producing a whole series of cars. The diesel engine of this train was in an armored housing protected on either end by two 76mm cannons in turrets. My dad has a book on it written by Polish author Wojciech J. Gawrych that shows detailed photographs and schematics of this monster. Here's a shot of what a K&C model might look like: http://www.jadar.com.pl/5star/72002/bigimages/panzertriebwagen 16_01.jpg
 
Canadian Samurai said:
My dad is a big fan of armored trains from all eras. I was just talking to him and I asked him which WW2 German one would be the best (given this is K&C's best selling line), and he told me the Panzertriebwagen Nr. 16 would be cool. Like the one I mentioned above, the Panzertriebwagen was a self-powered unit which makes it easier for K&C to get away with not producing a whole series of cars. The diesel engine of this train was in an armored housing protected on either end by two 76mm cannons in turrets. My dad has a book on it written by Polish author Wojciech J. Gawrych that shows detailed photographs and schematics of this monster. Here's a shot of what a K&C model might look like: http://www.jadar.com.pl/5star/72002/bigimages/panzertriebwagen 16_01.jpg
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What a train, any more examples?
 
Here's pics of the first self-contained unit (Panzerspähwagen) I mentioned above: http://membres.lycos.fr/barkmann/galerie/panzer/artilleriewagen.html. It is well known and would be the easiest to make but is kind of short and so the least "train-like" I suppose.

A third type of German self-propelled unit was the Panzerjager-Treibwagen (tank destroyer car), which had two panzer iv turrets: http://tracks-n-troops.com/shop/images/5 star/5S72001.jpg. It is very sleek looking but unfortunately was made too late to see combat.

On the same site is a model of the WW1 Russian/Austro Hungarian self-propelled armored rail cruisers: http://tracks-n-troops.com/shop/images/5 star/5S72003.jpg. I love the domed turrets on these things. The most famous unit was named "Zaamurets" and it saw action in the Russian Civil war on the Red side before it was captured by the Czech Legion fighting for the Whites, then fell into Chinese hands, and finally captured by the Japanese.

The Russians also made heavy use of armored rail cars in WW2. Though I am not sure how much Andy would want to make a Soviet piece (since we have been told they don't sell), there are some truly formidible rail cruisers like the MBV series: http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/galleries/armored_trains/MBV-2.JPG
http://www.themotorpool.net/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=GasSPE08

Here's a review of the new Osprey book on armored trains that shows most of the self-propelled armored rail cruisers I mentioned above:
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=3035

Then there were a whole bunch of longer multi-car armored trains operated by Germany, Russia and Poland in WW2 that required separate locomotives. These had all kinds of cars including flak cars, artillery cars, troop carrier cars, cars that deployed tanks directly into combat, cars that carried extra rails so they could build as they went, and flatbed cars at either end that would prematurely set off mines on the tracks, sparing the rest of the train. I don't think Andy would start by making one of these (maybe Figarti would try!) but you never know. A single-car rail cruiser like those above would be the most sensible piece to test the market waters with.
 
I'd like to see some standard flat cars and carriages initially but I do like the armored wagon with the two tank turrets on top.

The Germans also used light armoured cars that could be converted in the field to run on rails, these were especially useful in anti partisan duties.
 
CS,

Those are some great ideas especially the artillerywagon. I hope K & C is watching and takes note.
 
I have been looking for some time for a European train model of WW11 vintage,I have checked several hobby stores and i have been told that there are some companies that sell "G" gauge model trains,Despite numerous calls i have not found any. Ken Olsen seems to have located a company or a site and i would appreciate knowing about it ,If anyone else has this information please post it!
While i think the WARBIRDS are great, if andy produces a train or several train cars to go with the train, i would be first in line to get one, Since seeing pictures of Gordon's dio at at a train station several months ago i have imagined a dozen or more variations on the theme.ANDY PLEASE!
If anyone knows of a model train company selling 1/32 scale trains, please post.
thanks
harvey
 
Canadian Samurai said:
Here's pics of the first self-contained unit (Panzerspähwagen) I mentioned above: http://membres.lycos.fr/barkmann/galerie/panzer/artilleriewagen.html. It is well known and would be the easiest to make but is kind of short and so the least "train-like" I suppose.

A third type of German self-propelled unit was the Panzerjager-Treibwagen (tank destroyer car), which had two panzer iv turrets: http://tracks-n-troops.com/shop/images/5 star/5S72001.jpg. It is very sleek looking but unfortunately was made too late to see combat.

On the same site is a model of the WW1 Russian/Austro Hungarian self-propelled armored rail cruisers: http://tracks-n-troops.com/shop/images/5 star/5S72003.jpg. I love the domed turrets on these things. The most famous unit was named "Zaamurets" and it saw action in the Russian Civil war on the Red side before it was captured by the Czech Legion fighting for the Whites, then fell into Chinese hands, and finally captured by the Japanese.

The Russians also made heavy use of armored rail cars in WW2. Though I am not sure how much Andy would want to make a Soviet piece (since we have been told they don't sell), there are some truly formidible rail cruisers like the MBV series: http://rkkaww2.armchairgeneral.com/galleries/armored_trains/MBV-2.JPG
http://www.themotorpool.net/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=GasSPE08

Here's a review of the new Osprey book on armored trains that shows most of the self-propelled armored rail cruisers I mentioned above:
http://www.armorama.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Reviews&file=index&req=showcontent&id=3035

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Hi CS-

Thanks for another instructive post. Very interesting and great suggestions.

Pierre.
 
at least..trains played critical role,for the needs of german army,during the war!!nice dioramas could be for display..
 
I watched "The Train" on pay tv last night for the first time :eek: I don't know how I missed it all these years, I guess I had it confused with "Von Ryan's Express". I recall some members saying it was a great movie, but I didn't give it much thought as I'm not a Sinatra fan. I need not have worried as Burt Lancaster is the main actor and Sinatra isn't in it. Burt did all of his own stunts, fit old bugger.

"The Train" is actually in black and white and I was impressed with the action, stunts and overall quality of the film. Initially it features an armored train and then switches to the main event being a train load of art treasures that the Germans are attempting to get into Germany. The movie includes plenty of partisan activity and resulting wrecked trains.
 
It really is a good movie isn't it,thought Burt Lancaster was excellant.I also think it benefits from being in black and white.

Rob
 
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