Treefrog and Minutemen No Longer Carrying Country Honour (1 Viewer)

Warrior said:
It was stated easily Mitch and in the initial statement, there was no mention of any alleged legal issues, a forum member threw that out there, not Shannon.
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Hi George ,
I think it was I who first mentioned any legal Issue back on post 7 of this thread and it was posed in the form of a question " is this the result of some legal action filed against Country Honor " it was just a question as I was just as surprised as everyone else to see what was thought to be an up and coming company suddenly pulled from the shelves so to speak . I think some other guys just ran with it but hey know its all irrelevant..... It was theft of that there can be no doubt as can clearly be seen by the images posted by Matt . Good to see it out in the open for all to see . Regards Gebhard
 
It never ceases to amaze me why some think that they are entitled to know the facts of a situation in what is clearly a private matter. That Shannon and George chose to post it here is not relevant. Why do you think they posted it here? Because this is the place where they can get the word out. It's equivalent to companies releasing the news to the Wall Street Journal.

As it is a private matter, with litigious and financial considerations, we have no entitlement to know why the decisions that were made were made. Making statements in a contentious situation -- and I'm not referring to this case, but in general -- is never to the advantage of the party/parties prosecuting or involved in the matter and is unwise. Having been a litigator and otherwise involved in large litigation, the less said the better. Let the parties work it out in court or privately through settlement.

However, we have seen Shannon and George put upon because they didn't give the disclosure inquiring minds wanted, a situation which was both unfair and unwarranted.
 
Gebhard said:
Hi George ,
I think it was I who first mentioned any legal Issue back on post 7 of this thread and it was posed in the form of a question " is this the result of some legal action filed against Country Honor " it was just a question as I was just as surprised as everyone else to see what was thought to be an up and coming company suddenly pulled from the shelves so to speak . I think some other guys just ran with it but hey know its all irrelevant..... It was theft of that there can be no doubt as can clearly be seen by the images posted by Matt . Good to see it out in the open for all to see . Regards Gebhard
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Understood and agreed that it's now out it the open for all to see.

It was there all along.

Case closed, time to move on.
 
Gebhard said:
Yes it was but only if you were looking in their WWII section and I don't think anyone was doing that :wink2:^&grin^&grin
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Understood and I am sorry if any of this confused people, was not our intent, we just wanted to put it out there rather than people wondering why we both dropped the line, as Brad said, this is a place collectors come for information and we felt this was the best thing to do at the time.

Again, sorry if this confused any of you.
 
It's human nature to want to know what happened.I'm sure Brad,George,Shannon and Matt watch the news to see what's going on in the world even if it doesn't pertain to them or what happened to Joe Everybody and his wife down the street even if it's a private matter.Human nature that's all.
Mark
 
Time to close the thread? I think so.
We have all had our chance to be heard, George, Shannon, and FL have also had theirs.
I think we can agree on some basic tenants, and move on.
 
jazzeum said:
My comment was only made for comparison, not for any precedental value.

As far as discussing the merits of Mr. Justice Potter Stewart's reasoning, I don't believe a toy soldier forum is the place for that. Are you a constitutional attorney?
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Well actually you added the quote so yes I think that put the notion in play. The constitution is the most fundimental of our laws. It exists for all citizens, not just lawyers. So yes, I believe any citizen is entitled to question how it is applied and whether that application is correct.

In any event, it is good to have a clear understanding of the story here. I do not think that was evident from the initial post.
 
In closing I would like to point out the following (or, "My view from under the bus"):
This issue between Country Honour and First Legion affected the business of Treefrog and Minutemen in that we both dropped the Country Honour line and removed it from our websites. As a courtesy to our customers and collectors on the forum we let you know here and included an explanation with the details that pertained to Treefrog and Minutemen.
To say anything further would have been inappropriate and unprofessional, since with allegations of intellectual property theft, obviously there are legal implications and to prematurely pour out all the details could jeopardize the case for the manufacturer. They were not ours to give and it was quite disheartening to say the least to read all the browbeating posts demanding to know everything about the issue as if we were doing people a disservice by not saying more than we did.
We believe we handled this issue appropriately, doing right by both our customers and collectors as well as doing our best to assist and support the manufacturer.
 
Shannon Reuss said:
In closing I would like to point out the following (or, "My view from under the bus"):
This issue between Country Honour and First Legion affected the business of Treefrog and Minutemen in that we both dropped the Country Honour line and removed it from our websites. As a courtesy to our customers and collectors on the forum we let you know here and included an explanation with the details that pertained to Treefrog and Minutemen.
To say anything further would have been inappropriate and unprofessional, since with allegations of intellectual property theft, obviously there are legal implications and to prematurely pour out all the details could jeopardize the case for the manufacturer. They were not ours to give and it was quite disheartening to say the least to read all the browbeating posts demanding to know everything about the issue as if we were doing people a disservice by not saying more than we did.
We believe we handled this issue appropriately, doing right by both our customers and collectors as well as doing our best to assist and support the manufacturer.
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Given the constraints, I don't see how it could have been handled any differently or any better. If Shannon and George jointly say there is a problem, I trust them that it is an actual problem and not an overreaction or a plot by a big manufacturer against a small manufacturer as was suggested by some.

Terry
 
Terry...

your the second person to make a point of highlighting my comment so, it seems it needs clarifying. when that was mentioned everyone in open forum, PM and e-mail was convinced that it was in relation to the Nap range. I also mentioned in private to several that I could see no issues with the Naps in terms of any form of copying. So, that was the reason for my comment which, is now being brought up.

Considering the stuff that has been said openly and privately its amazing that its being highlighted but, as Matt has shown what the issues were and, without endangering any action, as unlikely as it may be being taken, another storm in a tea cup has unfolded because of the manner in which it was done. I revert back to my comment of know your audience.
Mitch

Phantom Warrior said:
Given the constraints, I don't see how it could have been handled any differently or any better. If Shannon and George jointly say there is a problem, I trust them that it is an actual problem and not an overreaction or a plot by a big manufacturer against a small manufacturer as was suggested by some.

Terry
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Mitch said:
Terry...

your the second person to make a point of highlighting my comment so, it seems it needs clarifying. when that was mentioned everyone in open forum, PM and e-mail was convinced that it was in relation to the Nap range. I also mentioned in private to several that I could see no issues with the Naps in terms of any form of copying. So, that was the reason for my comment which, is now being brought up.

Considering the stuff that has been said openly and privately its amazing that its being highlighted but, as Matt has shown what the issues were and, without endangering any action, as unlikely as it may be being taken, another storm in a tea cup has unfolded because of the manner in which it was done. I revert back to my comment of know your audience.
Mitch
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Mitch,
So simply put you jumped to your own conclusion without any actual evidence other than the fact you could see no issues with the Naps. Did you actually have any CH figures in your physical possession when you came to your conclusions ? The fact you (and your several contacts) did not even consider the WWII figures is a bit of a flaw in your explanation. Seems surprising for somebody who pays so much attention to the details.

There was another way to look at this. The only two American dealers of CH publicly announced there was a problem and they would no longer handle the range. Now as far as I am aware both George and TF have excellent reputations. Surely you (and others) might have concluded there was actually some substance to their announcement. In your case you went further and suggested a bigger brand was trying to impede a new cheaper competitor without knowing this to be the case. So as far as storm in a tea cup goes you were quite happy to stir the cup.

I was going to post earlier on this but I saw George's post as I was about to post mine and then did not bother to put mine up.

Now it raises the interesting question about what other CH dealers will be doing. I note there are three in Canada, three in UK and a few in Europe.

Brett
 
Hi Guys ,
Like George said " Case closed time to move on " .. we have heard from all three of the parties involved and there is really nothing more to say in the matter thanks for to Shannon , George and Matt of First Legion for taking time to include the members and collecotrs here as much as they could ... no need personally for me to hear from CH I think its clear to all what they did . I also don't think its appropriate for anyone to use this thread as an opportunity to launch personal attacks or pile on a poster they may bear a grudge against . I think this adds nothing to the conversation at all and really all it does is help permeate some of the hard feelings already around and who needs more of that . Case closed time to move on .... Regards Gebhard
 
Alright- we all know this thread will just be closed: just say your last word and cut out.
 
I followed this story because I am curious about it or if you prefer nosey.
Mark
 
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Gebhard said:
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Gebhard - You are quite correct! ^&grin
 
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