Troubles in Ireland? (1 Viewer)

[arnhem44mad]

Please note that this is in no way political, but how about a range called 'The Troubles' and it could be focussed on the wars in Ireland between the British forces and the IRA?

Would definetly be an eye catcher seeing some British forces and IRA forces shooting it out in a suburban street with a shot up 1980s car and a police vehicle?

Would open up the possibility of modern day SAS figures?

Maybe some modern day civilians being ushered away by police or standing behind barricades?

Personally I would love to see this range done as I do not believe any other maker has even attepmted to produce this range?

 

[lancer]

Please note that this is in no way political, but how about a range called 'The Troubles' and it could be focussed on the wars in Ireland between the British forces and the IRA?

Would definetly be an eye catcher seeing some British forces and IRA forces shooting it out in a suburban street with a shot up 1980s car and a police vehicle?

Would open up the possibility of modern day SAS figures?

Maybe some modern day civilians being ushered away by police or standing behind barricades?

Personally I would love to see this range done as I do not believe any other maker has even attepmted to produce this range?

JMO, but I think a series on the 1916 Rising or the Irish Civil War would find more interest with it's more famous actions and especially the personalities involved. -- Al

 

[jazzeum]

I'd probably avoid modern day troubles but what about Irish Civil War. That might be interesting and might also appeal to the Irish (sales and so forth). Don't know how well this would do with the English though.

 

[rekp]

sometimes i wonder what you are on arnhem . would go down a storm in glasgow .

im no sectarian but a proud ger and when manager of hmv on union st i played sunday bloody sunday at top volume as the orange march went by .

 

[arnhem44mad]

sometimes i wonder what you are on arnhem . would go down a storm in glasgow .

im no sectarian but a proud ger and when manager of hmv on union st i played sunday bloody sunday at top volume as the orange march went by .

Don't know, come to Glasgow and ask me what I'm on and we can find out

And if we can produce Nazis, Iraqi soldiers, barbarians with heads in hands, why not Irish Repuclican Army?

 

[rayb]

not sure on that, the ira has left a bitter taste in english mouths and vise a versa, dont fancy terroist toy soldiers in my house so i dont think they would be popular,govements may have forgot but then again its us civis that still carry the scars so a big no from me. what next a plane crashing into a building with terroist toy soldiers on board. dont give rise to martyim these people

 

[arnhem44mad]

not sure on that, the ira has left a bitter taste in english mouths and vise a versa, dont fancy terroist toy soldiers in my house so i dont think they would be popular,govements may have forgot but then again its us civis that still carry the scars so a big no from me. what next a plane crashing into a building with terroist toy soldiers on board. dont give rise to martyim these people

Again I would point you back to Hitler, Himmler, and what they done to the Jewish people, yes maybe a defference of say 20 odd years, but still the same hard facts killing/death/rememberance/goods triumph over evil?

 

[Rob]

Scott has great enthusiasm for this hobby and its great to see in a youngster,we need it in this hobby. But I'm afraid I would never buy such a range its just too raw. If you think about it Scott,there are some subjects that it would be inappropriate to make such as Lockerbie,dunblane,Yorkshire ripper,london tube bombs etc. The difference for me in what Scott said about WW2 is that we were at least fighting a foreign power that fought army to army (and thankfully lost) whereas the IRA targeted innocent civvies, it is such a cowardly act that I simply would never feature such a figure in my house. There is something noble and good about WW2

Keep the ideas coming though Scott mate!

Rob

 

[IONA]

Irish uprising is a good idea but i would stay well clear of the troubles that could be a sore point for alot of people as it looks to be starting up again
Scott

 

[Rob]

I Don't think there will be any probs here, all ideas are worth talking about arn't they, we are all adults, always interesting to hear all suggestions and ideas. Scott comes up with some great ideas, like supporting the call for K&C to do Arnhem again!

Rob

 

[Stryker II]

Again I would point you back to Hitler, Himmler, and what they done to the Jewish people, yes maybe a defference of say 20 odd years, but still the same hard facts killing/death/rememberance/goods triumph over evil?

arnham44mad: one thing I have noticed about most of the people on this site, since I have been on here is exactly what you were referring too. I cannot understand how some people buy and glorify the Nazies, and what they did to alot of people, and then use the excuse that "well its historical, and after all----they are just toys" Please explain that to everyone that fought them during WWII from all the allied nations. I'm sure that the concentration camp inmates could care less about which model Tiger is next up or which is better panzer gray or cammo???????...............Stryker

 

[Rob]

I don't think of them as toys at all. For me they are models that represent the forces that my country and their allies had to defeat to gain world freedom 1939-45, simply that.

Rob

 

[Stryker II]

I don't think of them as toys at all. For me they are models that represent the forces that my country and their allies had to defeat to gain world freedom 1939-45, simply that.

Rob

Thats how I feel too Rob, however some people here tend to think that just one side of the world matters, and everyone in the pacific didn't. I will continue to beat this to death here, until they either kick me off or listen to facts. Nazies and nazi model/s or toy soldiers weren't the only enemy in WWII. I'm sure alot of your own countrymen never encountered a nazi, but they could tell you everything you ever wanted to know about the japs......Stryker

 

[jules118]

Uh oh... here we go again... it's distasteful, my war is more noble than yours etc etc.

The difference for me in what Scott said about WW2 is that we were at least fighting a foreign power that fought army to army (and thankfully lost) whereas the IRA targeted innocent civvies, it is such a cowardly act that I simply would never feature such a figure in my house. There is something noble and good about WW2

Rob

... Like the fire bombing of Dresden maybe? Fact is that both sides had little hesitation in killing civilians when it suited. War is sometimes necessary, but I don't think that it is every good or noble.

Placing all emotions and moral arguments aside, I think a series about the 'Troubles' will not happen because of simple economics. It's not viable.

 

[Rob]

Uh oh... here we go again... it's distasteful, my war is more noble than yours etc etc.



... Like the fire bombing of Dresden maybe? Fact is that both sides had little hesitation in killing civilians when it suited. War is sometimes necessary, but I don't think that it is every good or noble.

Placing all emotions and moral arguments aside, I think a series about the 'Troubles' will not happen because of simple economics. It's not viable.

Hang on a minute, why are you trying to make this sound like some sort of argument? I have no idea what you think but to me the removal of the Nazis in ww2 was a he'll of a lot more noble than terrorism, but each to their own.

As for city bombing we can all make judgements 70 years on but Let's be real about it drop the pc stuff and look at who actually started the process, the vast majority of veterans I have spoken to wanted them to get itback tenfold.

Speaking for my country their effort was very noble in ww2, it's why we are all free today.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Uh oh... here we go again... it's distasteful, my war is more noble than yours etc etc.



... Like the fire bombing of Dresden maybe? Fact is that both sides had little hesitation in killing civilians when it suited. War is sometimes necessary, but I don't think that it is every good or noble.

Placing all emotions and moral arguments aside, I think a series about the 'Troubles' will not happen because of simple economics. It's not viable.

Hang on a minute, why are you trying to make this sound like some sort of argument? I have no idea what you think but to me the removal of the Nazis in ww2 was a hell of a lot more noble than terrorism, but each to their own.

As for city bombing we can all make judgements 70 years on but Let's be real about it drop the pc stuff and look at who actually started the process, the vast majority of veterans I have spoken to wanted them to get itback tenfold.

Speaking for my country their effort was very noble in ww2, it's why we are all free today.

Rob

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

I Don't think there will be any probs here, all ideas are worth talking about arn't they, we are all adults, always interesting to hear all suggestions and ideas. Scott comes up with some great ideas, like supporting the call for K&C to do Arnhem again!

Rob

Speak for yourself Rob I am a child. Simmo.

 

[Simpson & his donkey.]

Japs stink. I am with you mate we need more PACFIC WAR THEATHER .Simmo.

 

[Rob]

I think this thread has fallen apart somewhat, into insults, threats and moral issues!. Must be Friday! Lets lighten up guys and return to the issue.

As Jules said I don't think a British/IRA range would be viable, not enough people would buy I'd say, how about a Falklands war series, I know my mate Simon would go for that.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Yo Trooper when are you going to grow up. I know what the English did to the Scots (Watch Braveheart) covers it pretty well, they also did the same to the Irish for Hundreds of years, then gave six Counties away. Read up on the history and you might cotton on as to why the IRA were formed to defend their own Country from the British Rule and throw them out. Think something happened in the States like this, you are treading on egg shells here Trooper, put your brain in gear before you open your mouth.

Bernard.

I think we should move on, the nature of the range just would not go down well, wanting to free the country from British rule I can fully understand, murdering men women and children in pubs clubs,shops and streets is very different though. Neither side covered themselves in glory so lets let it go, I've a feeling this whole thread may be deleted .Scott said right at the start the thread was not political, but I'm afraid by its very nature it always will be.

Lets get back to Toy Soldiers- or models I should say

Rob