UK Cost of New Napoleonic Lines (1 Viewer)

maddadicus said:
.... My first inclination would be another mfg. toadie, or what we call a hit and run flamer has made his way to the forum..( could it be Andy secret posting, to feel out what members really think ? ):p..Thanks,Michael
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NO ... that can't be :eek:

Not here, There goes the neighbourhood.
 
I don't think that quality is going down... New SG offficer is just 79$ instead of 59$ for exactly the same paint job and sculpting quality... but then, no need to rant here... I'm the kind of guy who will be more than satisfied with the old releases... I don't need to have ALL of the SG. I will just pass on this new one. Well, I'm pretty sure it's an old master that was put in production recently...

Alex
 
Tony Thank You for your welcome whilst I am not one of your largest customers I have purchased many K&C items from you over the last 3 or 4 years.

I was dissapointed with the K & C Highlanders from day one and only purchased several of each unit which I have since disposed of I prefer the Gaurds for obvious reasons I am not as suggested here Anti Scots I just honestly pointed out that the Scottish Fighting man is over represented throughout the K&C range.

The Scots Greys are great figures as are the Gaurds I like the French infantry range.

The trouble with K&C is that only producing 12 -13 peices in a particular unit once you take out the Officers flagbearers Drummers buglers and dead and wounded there are precious few fighting men to arrange in a realistic formation

First Legion are new but I am assurred they will produce minimum 20 peices of each regiment in more realistic positions.

I have a reasonably large Collection of K&C napoleonics and am frustrated with the lack of diversity within the range. Especially gaurds both French and British.

Am I seriously to believe that the forum feels the Scottish regiments were solely responsible for success in the peninsular wars

I am aware that there were many English and Irish units present not just Highlanders.

Andy N has a good business head on his shoulders but being Scottish will give no credit to any englishmen.

I have never met the Nevilles but they have always been helpful on the telephone.

My primary concern is that I have spent many thousands of pounds on K&C Napoleonics and cannot see enough grass roots action figures. The Battle of Waterloo and Peninsular wars were not full of flag bearers, drummers, officers buglers and Scotsmen.

I am not a toadie whatever the hell that is but a discerning private collector

I believe 1 st Legion offer a better range of fighting figures for the Napoleonic period ( Take a look at the gallery on the site ) and my post was intended to create discussion and perhaps give Andy and his team some food for thought.

The ranges of foot soldiers lack diversity and depth. And I dont believe Scotland won the war single handed either.

It is dissapointing to have come so far with a collection and to realise when its all laid out it actually looks a little too similar.

As I said I have no problem with costs I more than any here understand the reality of running an import business trust me.

Get the product range right and cost is not a factor desire helps to remove financial barriers.

If 1st legion deliver the goods i will not sell my K&C my nephew will benefit from owning them I am sure.

Hope someone is listening.

Merry X mas

PS The Lancers, lances seem a little short and I am certain the Greys never carried their standard into battle.

The devil is in the detail.
 
Oliver Cromwell said:
...Am I seriously to believe that the forum feels the Scottish regiments were solely responsible for success in the peninsular wars...

...I am aware that there were many English and Irish units present not just Highlanders...

...The Battle of Waterloo and Peninsular wars were not full of flag bearers, drummers, officers buglers and Scotsmen...

...I dont believe Scotland won the war single handed either...
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Quite right, there were quite a lot of Germans involved, on both sides. There aren't enough Prussians represented.
 
Hi Vanguard.
Don`t give up on Sharpe.A great read,I just pick up the last 2 movies.Sharpe must soldier on.Another great read is Richard Howard books.Sorry don`t mean to hi jack the thread.
Cheers
Dave
 
I'd like to see some Inniskillings (27th) or the 28th with a Sphinx badge on the front and rear for their part at Alexandria...obviously ragged (just like the 71th produced by K&C, but that was ..ehm..Scottish..)..and some cavalry too from the Peninsula..some Osprey is full of inspiration ..
 
nshighlander said:
Hi Vanguard.
Don`t give up on Sharpe.A great read,I just pick up the last 2 movies.Sharpe must soldier on.Another great read is Richard Howard books.Sorry don`t mean to hi jack the thread.
Cheers
Dave
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I really like some of the movies and really loathe some of the others. Ive read all the books except for the last one where they go to South America. It was a great summer read.


Harris
 
Whilst I have raised the issue of lack of different figures for assembling a square and also the recent steep increase cost for the Polish Lancers I think that was quite a rant.

2 of the most famous pictures from Waterloo involve Scotts (Scotland the Brave and the Squares one), so it is inevitable they would be units KC would consider. Historically, Scotland's contribution to GB armed forces has been disproportionate to to size of its population, so there will always be more. Scots - I think they have many useful poses - lunging bayonet, lunge pike and drummer using rifle. I would like more in the kneeling to repel.
So we are clear - I am a full on Englishman, no flower of Scotland for me !!!

The Guards could definately do with more poses - but then everyone would say that for all ranges. First Legion 54mm only do Napoleonics so it is easier for them to produce the ranges you seek.

You did not mention the Cruissars - I think they are great. Lots of options and great selection. I have them all now and can not wait to do a diorama. The dragoons are also superb.

I think you can stimulate debate on here - I am still only a 'private' and have had some good debates. But not when it appears somewhat personal, Scott bashing etc IMHO.

Cheers


Oliver Cromwell said:
Tony Thank You for your welcome whilst I am not one of your largest customers I have purchased many K&C items from you over the last 3 or 4 years.

I was dissapointed with the K & C Highlanders from day one and only purchased several of each unit which I have since disposed of I prefer the Gaurds for obvious reasons I am not as suggested here Anti Scots I just honestly pointed out that the Scottish Fighting man is over represented throughout the K&C range.

The Scots Greys are great figures as are the Gaurds I like the French infantry range.

The trouble with K&C is that only producing 12 -13 peices in a particular unit once you take out the Officers flagbearers Drummers buglers and dead and wounded there are precious few fighting men to arrange in a realistic formation

First Legion are new but I am assurred they will produce minimum 20 peices of each regiment in more realistic positions.

I have a reasonably large Collection of K&C napoleonics and am frustrated with the lack of diversity within the range. Especially gaurds both French and British.

Am I seriously to believe that the forum feels the Scottish regiments were solely responsible for success in the peninsular wars

I am aware that there were many English and Irish units present not just Highlanders.

Andy N has a good business head on his shoulders but being Scottish will give no credit to any englishmen.

I have never met the Nevilles but they have always been helpful on the telephone.

My primary concern is that I have spent many thousands of pounds on K&C Napoleonics and cannot see enough grass roots action figures. The Battle of Waterloo and Peninsular wars were not full of flag bearers, drummers, officers buglers and Scotsmen.

I am not a toadie whatever the hell that is but a discerning private collector

I believe 1 st Legion offer a better range of fighting figures for the Napoleonic period ( Take a look at the gallery on the site ) and my post was intended to create discussion and perhaps give Andy and his team some food for thought.

The ranges of foot soldiers lack diversity and depth. And I dont believe Scotland won the war single handed either.

It is dissapointing to have come so far with a collection and to realise when its all laid out it actually looks a little too similar.

As I said I have no problem with costs I more than any here understand the reality of running an import business trust me.

Get the product range right and cost is not a factor desire helps to remove financial barriers.

If 1st legion deliver the goods i will not sell my K&C my nephew will benefit from owning them I am sure.

Hope someone is listening.

Merry X mas

PS The Lancers, lances seem a little short and I am certain the Greys never carried their standard into battle.

The devil is in the detail.
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Gazza I dont like the K and C Highlanders unfortunately they are very poor quality figures. I am not Scot bashing I work in Scotland and have lived there on and off whilst having worked there for 27 years.

I love the place and holiday in Glencoe annually without fail.

I agree the currassiers are good I will have red lancers, Currasiers, Empress Dragoons, Chassuers a Cheval a plenty attacking my tiny Gaurds square with only a few fighting poses. A little ridiculous dont you think.

K C Highlanders are awful I am sorry but they are the Crimean Highlanders are very good but the Naps Highlanders are pretty shoddy to say the least.

The early post I read by someone called Panda hit the nail on the head Scottish troops dominate the K &C range.


Robert of Abbottsinch ( A famous scottish Knight ) some Scotsmen at the Alamo even. KOSBIES Kings Own scottish Borderers.

I bet we could find a kilt in the streets of Hong Kong range if we look close enough.

Ha Ha all good fun if you cant take it you shouldnt have signed up.

By the way I understand 1st Legion also do an antiquity range. Just to be pedantic about it.

More Coldstream Gaurds Andy come on Coldstream is on the Border they were originally a Scottish regiment I am sure. Although not many Scots in the Gaurds nowadays dont make them tall enough. Scotsmen that is.


Come on Andy more Gaurds please we gave you your stone back after all.

Please forgive my approach but I say it how it is.


The Scottish did not conquer the British Empire single handed Im afraid. Just because Lady Butler painted some cavalry. Oh I forgot the Scots Greys were the only cavalry on the Allied side at Waterloo silly me.

Got my order in for my 1st Legion Square they have 4 different figures just kneeling to repel. Looks awesome.

Happy collecting. and Happy Christmas

Increase the Gaurds Andy and I will send you a nice Bottle of

"The Macallan" Scotlands finest.

Dont like Napoleons tent either looks like something Billy Smarts Circus would use.

"The Devil is in the Detail"
 
Oliver Cromwell said:
Gazza I dont like the K and C Highlanders unfortunately they are very poor quality figures. I am not Scot bashing I work in Scotland and have lived there on and off whilst having worked there for 27 years.

I love the place and holiday in Glencoe annually without fail.

I agree the currassiers are good I will have red lancers, Currasiers, Empress Dragoons, Chassuers a Cheval a plenty attacking my tiny Gaurds square with only a few fighting poses. A little ridiculous dont you think.

K C Highlanders are awful I am sorry but they are the Crimean Highlanders are very good but the Naps Highlanders are pretty shoddy to say the least.

The early post I read by someone called Panda hit the nail on the head Scottish troops dominate the K &C range.


Robert of Abbottsinch ( A famous scottish Knight ) some Scotsmen at the Alamo even. KOSBIES Kings Own scottish Borderers.

I bet we could find a kilt in the streets of Hong Kong range if we look close enough.

Ha Ha all good fun if you cant take it you shouldnt have signed up.

By the way I understand 1st Legion also do an antiquity range. Just to be pedantic about it.

More Coldstream Gaurds Andy come on Coldstream is on the Border they were originally a Scottish regiment I am sure. Although not many Scots in the Gaurds nowadays dont make them tall enough. Scotsmen that is.


Come on Andy more Gaurds please we gave you your stone back after all.

Please forgive my approach but I say it how it is.


The Scottish did not conquer the British Empire single handed Im afraid. Just because Lady Butler painted some cavalry. Oh I forgot the Scots Greys were the only cavalry on the Allied side at Waterloo silly me.

Got my order in for my 1st Legion Square they have 4 different figures just kneeling to repel. Looks awesome.

Happy collecting. and Happy Christmas

Increase the Gaurds Andy and I will send you a nice Bottle of

"The Macallan" Scotlands finest.

Dont like Napoleons tent either looks like something Billy Smarts Circus would use.

"The Devil is in the Detail"
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Scots soldiers are well represented across lots of mfg,s not just K and C
I,m sure this must be because they are big sellers.
Even if your point about Andy being a scotsman is true so over representing
Scottish units is it,s hardly a shock ,
If I had a toy soldiers buisness I,d make plenty of Scots and their would be Anzacs appearing left right and centre ;) .
I also think K and C,s Blackwatch figures are nicely done imho , but each to
his own when it comes to likes and dislikes.
 
Oliver Cromwell said:
Tony Thank You for your welcome whilst I am not one of your largest customers I have purchased many K&C items from you over the last 3 or 4 years.

I was dissapointed with the K & C Highlanders from day one and only purchased several of each unit which I have since disposed of I prefer the Gaurds for obvious reasons I am not as suggested here Anti Scots I just honestly pointed out that the Scottish Fighting man is over represented throughout the K&C range.

The Scots Greys are great figures as are the Gaurds I like the French infantry range.

The trouble with K&C is that only producing 12 -13 peices in a particular unit once you take out the Officers flagbearers Drummers buglers and dead and wounded there are precious few fighting men to arrange in a realistic formation

First Legion are new but I am assurred they will produce minimum 20 peices of each regiment in more realistic positions.

I have a reasonably large Collection of K&C napoleonics and am frustrated with the lack of diversity within the range. Especially gaurds both French and British.

Am I seriously to believe that the forum feels the Scottish regiments were solely responsible for success in the peninsular wars

I am aware that there were many English and Irish units present not just Highlanders.

Andy N has a good business head on his shoulders but being Scottish will give no credit to any englishmen.

I have never met the Nevilles but they have always been helpful on the telephone.

My primary concern is that I have spent many thousands of pounds on K&C Napoleonics and cannot see enough grass roots action figures. The Battle of Waterloo and Peninsular wars were not full of flag bearers, drummers, officers buglers and Scotsmen.

I am not a toadie whatever the hell that is but a discerning private collector

I believe 1 st Legion offer a better range of fighting figures for the Napoleonic period ( Take a look at the gallery on the site ) and my post was intended to create discussion and perhaps give Andy and his team some food for thought.

The ranges of foot soldiers lack diversity and depth. And I dont believe Scotland won the war single handed either.

It is dissapointing to have come so far with a collection and to realise when its all laid out it actually looks a little too similar.

As I said I have no problem with costs I more than any here understand the reality of running an import business trust me.

Get the product range right and cost is not a factor desire helps to remove financial barriers.

If 1st legion deliver the goods i will not sell my K&C my nephew will benefit from owning them I am sure.

Hope someone is listening.

Merry X mas

PS The Lancers, lances seem a little short and I am certain the Greys never carried their standard into battle.

The devil is in the detail.
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' Andy being Scottish won't give any credit to an Englishman'. Tony Neville is English and he won't give me any credit either!!!:D.Although he does give me very good discount so i won't hear a word against the slap.....fine young man!!:D;)

If Andy is anti English he sure does a good job of hiding it!.The poor guy has to stand around in London listening to loads of us English bombarding him with questions,i want this,i want that bla bla bla!.:D;)

Rob
 
Dear Oliver Cromwell,
You wrote :
"I believe 1 st Legion offer a better range of fighting figures for the Napoleonic period ( Take a look at the gallery on the site ) and my post was intended to create discussion and perhaps give Andy and his team some food for thought.
The ranges of foot soldiers lack diversity and depth".

In relation to Napoleonics I would agree that 1st Legion has better variety. But then again they are specialising in that area. Hiowever my complaint is they don't have a Pzr IV in early war of Africa Korps markings, or or a SS Marching Band ! I demand Matt of 1st Legion should do more to satisfy his customers !!!!! How dare he not do WWII. I don't see John Gambale complaining on the 1st Legion thread about the lack of WWII Italians. Matt has it easy (no disrespect intended Matt as I am trying to make a point to certain people here - love your range muchly).

However Andy's range might be considered food for thought for other manufacturers. What other company does :
Ancient Egypt,
Imperial Chinese,
Streets of Hong Kong
Medieval,
The Alamo,
AWI and ACW,
Napoleonics,
Crimean (albeit for K&C UK)
USN
SS / Berlin
his Warbirds range
WWI and many many WWII items including vehicles and now Luftwaffe
and consistently brings them out on schedule ?
In addition he attends many shows and gatherings and is often on the forum in person. Oh yes and his product is out there and available to buy in the shops or if not he will have it to the retailer quickly.
What I and many other Forum members, who are obviously fans of K&C, find hard to accept is why so many seem to enjoy having a go at Andy/K&C when his company has done more than any other to create great product and variety at competitive prices and reliably. Quite frankly I am amazed at how smoothly his company operates.
A simple test. If you could own any of the Toy Soldier manufacturing companies in the world which would it be ?!
Regards to all,
Brett
 
Oliver’s Rant ‘n’ Rave

Hi Guys,

Just got back from Paris this morning after attending a fantastic London show… Well done Mike, Tony and the rest of the UK tribe!

Also a big thankyou to Fred Genard and his people for the event at Toy Soldier Paris and finally… off to Rome, for the first time, to meet a terrific bunch of Italian collectors and our new K&C Italian National Distributor, Stefano Allorini.

Anyway as soon as I got back… tired but happy I log onto the Forum and come face-to-face with a brand-new friend… a certain “Oliver Cromwell”…

Oh dear, oh dear into every life a little rain must fall… and more than a few droplets seem to have landed on our Oliver.

His extensive litany of complaints about K&C in general and me in particular is up there with the best (or worst) of them.

Now, where to begin…

1. “K&C’s Highlanders are very poor quality figures”…

My oh my… there was me thinking they were some of K&C’s nicer pieces and best sellers but there you have it… Oliver knows better than many, many satisfied Black Watch collectors all over the globe.

2. “Crimean Highlanders are very good but the Napoleonic Highlanders are pretty shoddy”…

Well, Oliver old chum, thanks for the back-handed compliments but strangely enough both sets of Highlanders were sculpted by the same man. Obviously, in your considered opinion, he must have had an “off-day” or week or two when he was working on the Napoleonic Jocks!!!

3. “Pretty Shoddy to say the least”…

Nothing, dear Oliver, K&C does is “pretty shoddy” as you like to write. If it was I would reject it (and so would my team) and K&C would be deluged by complaints from hundreds (perhaps thousands) of very knowledgeable collectors including many who regularly post on this forum. So, your opinion is just that… your opinion.

4. “Scottish Troops dominate K&C ranges”….

Cobblers! And more cobblers. We do produce Scottish soldiers in several different historical periods because they are colourful and surprise, surprise Oliver… they sell! We have also produced plenty of other British forces in Fields of Battle… American Revolution… World War Two (8th. Army… Arnhem… Normandy) and in our Napoleonics (Coldstream Guards and Royal Horse Artillery) plus Royal Marines on parade… and in Iraq and Afghanistan.

5. “The Scottish did not conquer the British Empire”…

No one, including me, ever suggested we did! The Scots, however as several other posters pointed out, have contributed more than their fair share of glory to the British Armed Forces and suffered a considerably higher proportion of casualties to prove it.

I, personally, am intensely proud of being Scottish… I am also exceptionally proud to be BRITISH. Although most of my forebears served in Scottish regiments my father was in the Royal Navy During WW2… one Uncle was in the Merchant Navy… another two in the Royal Air Force… and one more in the Royal Engineers. Only one uncle was a piper in the Gordon Highlanders.

For my own sins I served 5 years in Her Majesty’s Royal Marines and all of my best mates in the Corps were (and still are) Englishmen and proud of it.

So, Oliver let’s have less of your criticisms about K&C and me being biased in favour of Scots!

6. Finally, K&C produce a wide range of figures over a growing list of historical periods to meet the expanding wishes and expectations of thousands of collectors all over the globe.

I’m sure if we decided to concentrate on just one particular period… let’s say Napoleonics… then we could meet not only all of your desires (or maybe not yours) but most other Napoleonic collectors out there. However, that’s not what we do and not how we do it.

I would say in all modesty, that we do meet most of our K&C collector’s wishes… most of the time.

Obviously you disagree as you like to “say it how it is”…

Fortunately I and more than a few other people don’t agree with your opinion… But don’t be offended Oliver and please forgive my approach but I just have to say it how it is!

Thanks guys for ploughing through this reply but sometimes someone’s approach and opinions demand a detailed response.


Best Christmas Greetings and Happy Collecting!
Andy C.

P.S. And don’t worry about “The Macallan”… I can buy my own.
 
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Is this guy serious:eek::eek::eek:, I don't collect K&C but you guys bring some of the best quality figures to the market! And he best not be messing with the Scots, and my schools mascot our the FIGHTING SCOTS!!!!!!!!!!


Vick:eek::eek::eek:
 
Re: Oliver’s Rant ‘n’ Rave

Well said.Everyone on here of course has different views and opinions.But to say in your first post on here and not having met Andy (i'm guessing)that he 'Would never give any credit to an Englishman' is a very strong statement indeed, perhaps designed to give offence?.If Oliver had said something like 'In my opinion i'd like to see less Scots and more English' i don't think any offence would have been taken.

Also i must say to write 'Dump your K&C for First Legion' well that rang some alarm bells across this forum i'm sure.It just does not sound like a truly impartial collector to me.But hey thats just my opinion,as me dear old mum always taught me politeness costs nothing.;)

Rob
 
The Military Workshop said:
A simple test. If you could own any of the Toy Soldier manufacturing companies in the world which would it be ?!
Regards to all,
Brett
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W. Britains probably. I'm not really a collector of their recent figures but the brand name is worth its weight in gold. Plus they're one of the few who still have a toe in both the matte and glossy markets, which is important to me because I appreciate both styles equally and would want to do lines in each.
 
Re: Oliver’s Rant ‘n’ Rave

Instead of responding to 'Rant and Rave' post - that IMHO was engineered to stir the pot - I would prefer it if Andy responded to a more genuine and legitimate concern from posters (myself included) of the increase in prices.


Cheers
 
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Re: Oliver’s Rant ‘n’ Rave

Now, Andy, to be fair, you could make more Prussians :D

Prost Weihnachten!
Brad
 
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