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[spartan71]

Do you mean a standard bearer? That's nuts.

Yes, it was. I might pay another $25.00 from retail. If its more, time to move on to the next interest, there is just many other great pieces out there, to get stuck and pay 4,5,6 times what the original cost was.

 

[jazzeum]

Fortunately, I have two out of the three standard bearers in Seven Years War and the one I don't have appears to be in plentiful supply.

 

[sammy719]

I am in the middle of the road here as I get what Frank has mentioned about the need for re-releases of the more popular items (Stugs/Panzer III etc.) and also the new collectors that have come aboard in the last year or so who didn't have time to collect those or any retired sets, but then again I'm sure matt/Constantine have a ton of projects either in the works or planning stages which all need time to produce, it's not like Matt can tell his workers... "hey guys can y'all whip me up a few dozen Stugs this weekend from those old molds??"...I wish it were like that!!! also Matt has stated more then a few times once an item is gone it's gone, as I said in another thread First legion popularity seems to be bigger now then ever and we few guys that were lucky to be around at the beginning of the WWII/ Civil War/Romans/Crusaders etc. ranges can be lucky we got the chance to buy those now retired sets, going forward hopefully the number of sets that are made are increased due to a higher demand or simply buy it while you can works also...Sammy

 

[spartan71]

Um, as soon as a German Normandy comes out, I will be one of the first ones to get one and for sure there are a lot more of us that is planning to get one. Matt knows that for sure, he will have that in the bank. And that being said, knowing that it is in, is it not more profitable to make and venture into the Stalingrad Stugs, make some knowing that the demand is there. Make lets say 200 Normandy, and do 40 to 50 Stalingrad Stugs.
Now as far as not having enough workers, of a country that has 5 billion people, I think you can find 5 to 20 extra people to work on just the "revisited" pieces at has a demand on it. If over stocking is a worry, then just make ones that has advance paid orders. Only directly from their website if need be. And what to do with the extra people?, when the demand is not there anymore, then hire people that is contracted only to work while there is a demand. I am just suggesting...

 

[Vezzolf]

Um, as soon as a German Normandy comes out, I will be one of the first ones to get one and for sure there are a lot more of us that is planning to get one. Matt knows that for sure, he will have that in the bank. And that being said, knowing that it is in, is it not more profitable to make and venture into the Stalingrad Stugs, make some knowing that the demand is there. Make lets say 200 Normandy, and do 40 to 50 Stalingrad Stugs.
Now as far as not having enough workers, of a country that has 5 billion people, I think you can find 5 to 20 extra people to work on just the "revisited" pieces at has a demand on it. If over stocking is a worry, then just make ones that has advance paid orders. Only directly from their website if need be. And what to do with the extra people?, when the demand is not there anymore, then hire people that is contracted only to work while there is a demand. I am just suggesting...

WELL SAID :salute:: If the demand is there, it is always profitable for the manufacturer to supply the product....It's money in the bank.....and especially if it's pre-ordered and/or ordered directly from the manufacturer.:salute::...This mentality that a re-release is always bad is just plain nonsense....more and somewhat varied Stalingrad winter or grey Stugs or Panzers with different turret numbers and/or minor variations will help not only new FL collectors to get on board with FL (Operation Barbarossa) Stalingrad/Eastern Front battles but will allow existing collectors to add AFV's to their existing FL Stugs & Panzers thus allowing them to create "larger historically cohesive battle scenes" for dioramas battles of the Eastern Front.....This allows a historical battle subject to be "built upon" and "added to" .... That strategy helps keep interest alive for Stalingrad or Kharkov or Normandy or wherever your historical interests focus on.....And there's Nothing WRONG with that.

 

[Gebhard]

If the demand is so high for the old Stalingrad Stugs that were released almost 7 years ago and First Legion were to revisit them, the best way to do so would be to make them with a slight variation in both the Stugs and crew.

That way they could sell twice as many, as collectors who already have the old ones and collectors who didn't get the first release would both be tempted allowing them to sell twice as many.

Now as a businessman trying to make a company as successful and profitable as possible that would be a real recipe for a true win win situation. :wink2:

 

[Vezzolf]

Gebs, That was exactly (almost verbatum) my suggestion in post #45 ^&confuse :rolleyes2:

 

[Gebhard]

Gebs, That was exactly (almost verbatum) my suggestion in post #45 ^&confuse :rolleyes2:

Sorry Frank I tuned you out post's ago when you were calling for re-releases and didn't read your last post, but I just did go back and read it. I agree its the most sense you've made on the subject yet... {sm4}{sm4} only kidding. You do loose me when you get all excited and start using all those CAPITAL"S and qoutation marks " " " just who are you qouting anyway ^&confuse:wink2:

 

[Vezzolf]

That's OK I tuned you out for the most part as well in regards to this discussion....Gebs, I make alot of "common sense" in regards to this issue.... it just seems to take you a long time to get it:wink2:....I'm glad that the light bulb lit up a bit^&grin and that you finally "may" be seeing the light when it comes to the issue of re-releases..{sm4}...... Best Frank

 

[Gebhard]

That's OK I tuned you out for the most part as well in regards to this discussion....Gebs, I make alot of "common sense" in regards to this issue.... it just seems to take you a long time to get it:wink2:....I'm glad that the light bulb lit up a bit^&grin and that you finally "may" be seeing the light when it comes to the issue of re-releases..{sm4}...... Best Frank

FRANK ,

ACTUALLY it would't be a "re-release" AT ALL it would be a "TOTALLY NEW" release like I mentioned. With new CREW ect..ect. like I also mentioned. Hey all these CAPITALS and "QUOTATION MARKS" are contagious :wink2: {sm3}

 

[Vezzolf]

Gebs, Gebs.:rolleyes2:.....However you want to put a "twist" on it to make you feel better is fine by me.:rolleyes2:^&grin

 

[BigMike]

Julie , when does this item ship out or do we have to wait another month since it is out of stock ???

Regards, Neil :salute:::salute::

 

[Peter Reuss]

Vezz -

Don't forget that you are in the world of opinion here, not fact. You are entitled to yours (and you've shared it liberally on this thread). Others are free to disagree with you. It's the way forums work.

You've been beating the drum against speculators for years now even as the hobby has seen significant change. You're free to your opinion, but it doesn't need to be stated quite so many times.

 

[TomNT]

There have been few re-releases so your point is mute....Again there is "Nothing Wrong" with a re-release if there is enough demand for an item....follow the logic Post #24.....Re-releases would not occur so often so as to effect new product releases but a re-release may have an effect on the speculator who was trying to price gouge Brad for a Prussian flag-bearer.

I hardly think my point is “mute” as you put it, if a manufacturer says re-releasing existing AFV’s delays the release of new AFV’s. There may have only been a few re-releases but a few can lead to many and again I’ll say, where does it all end! Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against re-releases and I would be all for it if it didn’t delay the release of new items or armour in different theatres of war. It’s great that existing and new collectors can get an item that they would otherwise have missed out on but only if it doesn’t affect new production.

I think it’s an issue and not easily overcome for a manufacturer as it’s hard to predict how many items to produce so as to meet demand. The forum only represents a fraction of collectors so the manufacturer cannot gauge the interest in an item from collectors on the forum to determine how many items to produce. I would also think it’s not easy to just employ more workers (as it’s been suggested in another post) so production can be increased to cover re-releases and new release items. Producing finely detailed figures and vehicles requires people with talent and I would imagine it’s not so easy to find such people with talent and skills and then being able to keep them.

Tom

 

[spartan71]

....First Legion is really taking off... If they do, do it and do re-releases that are paid for upfront, that particular side will put profits up, no bad turns of over producing. Profits to maybe make the manufacturing get a bigger place, another press to make more toys, more.....
If you can not find 5 to as many talented people as possible that is as good as the people you have, in a country that has 4 to 5 billion people, that is incredible odds to have found the people that is now working for FL.....

 

[uksubs]

....First Legion is really taking off... If they do, do it and do re-releases that are paid for upfront, that particular side will put profits up, no bad turns of over producing. Profits to maybe make the manufacturing get a bigger place, another press to make more toys, more.....
If you can not find 5 to as many talented people as possible that is as good as the people you have, in a country that has 4 to 5 billion people, that is incredible odds to have found the people that is now working for FL.....

I don't think making a re-release is a good idea for the people who already have the item as it devalue it and FL brand in general ,make a different version yes is fine , just my opinion on the subject

 

[spartan71]

How does it get devalued? I do not think it loses its luster, its brilliance in the heart. On some one that appreciates having it. Nor the value of the money that was spent on it. some one that wants it....... And In this forum more than likely, an FL retired piece will get sold... Especially if its close to its retail price. And if it does lose its luster in someone's eyes. Please re-sell it., to someone that will appreciate having it...
The same can be said about the Manufacturer, how does it get devalued in their eyes. I do not see them giving a refund check if they re-do a piece...so no loss there..

 

[Vezzolf]

De-valued???:rolleyes2:LOL LOL.... PLEASE Give me a break:rolleyes2::rolleyes2:.......If it's not damaged and if it re-sells for it's approx. retail value....."that's all any of us should expect from our purchases"....The manufacturer makes a product to sell and should not worry about this nonsense....These things are not investments, they are toys .... However if you are an unscrupulous speculator whose intent is to purchase an item strictly to price gouge someone else latter when it sells out....GO TAKE A LONG WALK....That's not what this hobby is about....In regards to re-releases FL should not concern themselves with these warped individuals who seek only to profit off a product they did not even produce.... Again the focus should not be on these nay-sayers and speculators but the FL focus should be based on product DEMAND from collectors and FL enthusiasts who want to own FL products for the "JOY of the HOBBY".

 

[Gebhard]

Here is a cut and paste from the First Legion website.

"Our toy soldiers and historical miniatures are produced in limited numbers, typically less than 500 of each figure, though we reserve the right to produce as many (or as few) as we want unless the figures are marked as per the categories below:

Extremely Limited Edition: A product code that is marked as Extremely Limited Edition will have less than 500 of it produced.

Special Collector's Set: A product set that is marked as a Special Collector's Set will be produced in specific numbers that will be noted on the product detail page. This is typically 150-250, but each is noted with the actual number produced."

Maybe this can help clear up the issue, but I doubt it will. regards Gebhard

 

[jazzeum]

Frank,

Neil's point of view is not an uncommon one although I'm not sure it applies unless FL had announced that a release was limited to a specific amount. Andy got into hot water with collectors with this issue over the French tank in the Fields of Battle.

Secondly, Pete requested that you not go on about the secondary side of the market as what you believe is well known.

Brad