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Rob said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...PoW-grandad-wouldnt-mark-minutes-silence.html

Some scars will never heal.

Rob
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Rob,

Any Japanese person who participated in the attrocities described in the article deserves anything he gets, but what about those "bewildered schoolchildren waiting for parents who will never return"? They, and in all probability their parents, weren't even alive at the time those attrocities were committed (1941-1945). I can't understand holding the actions of their ancestors against those innocent children any more than I could hate the average 10 year old German child for what the Nazis did.

The author of that article is aggravated by the fact the "liberal left" holds the British government responsible for the Irish Potato famine, and he's absolutely right. There is more than enough to hate about what individuals do to each other. :wink2: I don't have time to hate entire nations or races for what their ancestors did before I was born. In my country, there are people on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line that can't get over the Civil War. I have just one thing to say to all people busy worrying about who should feel guilty about stuff that happened that long ago: Let it go.:rolleyes2:
 
Rob..
Delicate matter one of my school friends grandfather fought the japanese in burma during WWII and, he would not even speak about the japanese and, hated them for the things he saw and witnessed that they did to troops civillians POW's. I think what they did to the POW's especially not only is emotive but absolutely understandable as conditions were barbaric and, all of these people who say live and let live forgive etc cannot understand the horrors of captivity.

I have just watched two History docs on Sky about the burmese campaign and, it was terrible

I can fully understand why he would not give a minutes silence and for me, I respect his choice.
Mitch
 
Louis Badolato said:
Rob,

Any Japanese person who participated in the attrocities described in the article deserves anything he gets, but what about those "bewildered schoolchildren waiting for parents who will never return"? They, and in all probability their parents, weren't even alive at the time those attrocities were committed (1941-1945). I can't understand holding the actions of their ancestors against those innocent children any more than I could hate the average 10 year old German child for what the Nazis did.

The author of that article is aggravated by the fact the "liberal left" holds the British government responsible for the Irish Potato famine, and he's absolutely right. There is more than enough to hate about what individuals do to each other. :wink2: I don't have time to hate entire nations or races for what their ancestors did before I was born. In my country, there are people on both sides of the Mason-Dixon line that can't get over the Civil War. I have just one thing to say to all people busy worrying about who should feel guilty about stuff that happened that long ago: Let it go.:rolleyes2:
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Well said Louis, whilst I loathe the scum that mistreated Allied prisoners of War it has nothing to do with all those innocent people who have died following the Earthquake, we have to move on. I can never even begin to imagine what that veteran tortured by the Japenese went through, and I hope the soldiers who did it suffered before they died, but that was many many years ago, time to move on.

Rob
 
Mitch said:
Rob..
Delicate matter one of my school friends grandfather fought the japanese in burma during WWII and, he would not even speak about the japanese and, hated them for the things he saw and witnessed that they did to troops civillians POW's. I think what they did to the POW's especially not only is emotive but absolutely understandable as conditions were barbaric and, all of these people who say live and let live forgive etc cannot understand the horrors of captivity.

I have just watched two History docs on Sky about the burmese campaign and, it was terrible

I can fully understand why he would not give a minutes silence and for me, I respect his choice.
Mitch
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Yes Mitch, I've never even had to pick up a rifle and fight, let alone been captured and tortured whilst not being able to do a thing about it. So I have no right to tell any vet what he should think and would never dream of doing so. However we have to move forward and live in harmony and forgivness where we can, the children suffering in Japan today have nothing to do with the filth that filled the ranks of their army six decades ago.

Rob
 
Rob,

As was noted, some scars will never die. At dinner the other night, my mother made a note of the Germans not participating in the coalition re Libya, with a comment, "that figures." She will neither forgive nor forget. No amount of discussion that we had about it or have had about it (and it doesn't have to be Libya) got her or will get her to change her mind.
 
sixty years or not I don't think we can say ''move on'' these are very proud people with very real issues. I fear its easier to say this about veterans and pows etc but, I don't hear anyone saying it about the jews move on and forgive the germans. its IMO the same principle. they hold (and rightly so) their grievances of what was perpetrated against them as do the POW's

I have spoken to german veterans who still despise the russians for what happened on the eastern front and, to allied vets who still hate the germans for what they did.

I have said this in many threads where we look back with our morals from the comfort of our lifestyles on others, from a different time, we just expect too much from them and set some rather high and overtly rightous standards IMO

This is not against anyone on the forum but, IMO they have deserved the right to hold the views they have now and, if they wish not to let go or, more appropriately cannot, then god bless them
Mitch
 
Well this is why Nelson Mandela is a great man and probably the only real statesman of the late 20 the century.
 
No reason to hold people accountable for things that were done 65 years ago by their 90 year old grandfather. ^&cool
 
We cannot tell people to change their minds about the times they lived through and what they may have been exposed to but my attitude is forgive but don't forget for if we fail to forgive we are only planting seeds for future conflict.
 
That man (and all vets) has earned the right to his feelings and however he wants to express them and deal with them. His business, period. -- Al
 
I feel that the people who lived through those times have a right to feel the way they do but the rest of us must move on.
Mark
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
No reason to hold people accountable for things that were done 65 years ago by their 90 year old grandfather. ^&cool
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Exodus 34

34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

That could last until the 22nd Century!
 
Rob said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...PoW-grandad-wouldnt-mark-minutes-silence.html

Some scars will never heal.

Rob
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At First I didn't shed a tear at all . But after awhile I saw the faces and children and the old and thought that what country should have to go through this. The Japs did alot of really bad things to Australian servicemen and women and other allied captives they held. They have paid for there sin's Three fold. Time has to move on and we should move on with it. Simmo.:salute::
 
Whatever your personal reasons for your attitude to the Japanese disaster you must admire the stoic dignity of the people quietly going about salvaging what little remains of their lives. Trooper
 
marco55 said:
I feel that the people who lived through those times have a right to feel the way they do but the rest of us must move on.
Mark
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Spot on. This is exactly what I meant to say.

Rob
 
Hey Guys,
A couple of points that have been commented upon are how orderly the people have been when queing for hours for food and water and the lack of looting. Got to admire the current Japanese generation for that.
Regards
Brett

In a lighter note and concerning the sins of the previous generations what about those Romans.Normans and Vikings and invading Britain?. Time for an apology ???!!!
 
The Military Workshop said:
Hey Guys,
A couple of points that have been commented upon are how orderly the people have been when queing for hours for food and water and the lack of looting. Got to admire the current Japanese generation for that.
Regards
Brett

In a lighter note and concerning the sins of the previous generations what about those Romans.Normans and Vikings and invading Britain?. Time for an apology ???!!!
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Yeah! What did the Romans ever do for us.........:wink2: (If there ever was a Python lead in there it is guys!^&grin)

Rob
 
What about the Rev Martin Wray had to throw it in after getting dressed u as a tart,going to a vicar and tarts party cant the rev have a bit of fun............................^&grin
 
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