What is Panzer Meyer Vehicle? (1 Viewer)

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maddadicus

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At first glance ,concerning my question, one can tell that I am a WW2 detail specific ignorant buffoon...You folks that know every specific on any given model amaze me. Is the vehicle what one could call a Hanomag. I know that Andy had put out a previous version. Had it, but sold it, because it seemed small and puny next to most K/C vehicles. If this is a Hanomag, does the guy pointing come out and are just the sitting figures fixed in place ? Thanks for not snickering at my question...Michael
 
maddadicus said:
At first glance ,concerning my question, one can tell that I am a WW2 detail specific ignorant buffoon...You folks that know every specific on any given model amaze me. Is the vehicle what one could call a Hanomag. I know that Andy had put out a previous version. Had it, but sold it, because it seemed small and puny next to most K/C vehicles. If this is a Hanomag, does the guy pointing come out and are just the sitting figures fixed in place ? Thanks for not snickering at my question...Michael
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Hi Michael, I'm definitely not one those vehicles experts, but I believe it is a Hanomag. It's quite a bit larger than the Grief and appears to be the right scale (looks great) when placed next to the Wittman tiger, K&C panther, king tiger, etc. As for the guy leaning out and pointing and the two radiomen and driver, they are all fixed inside the vehicle. Hope this helps, I think it's an
awesome piece.:)

Fred
 
If it is a Hanomag, then I definately would be interested. But if the pointing figure is fixed, then I will pass, until someone else makes one to suit. Like others, I enjoy the ability to pose my figures. Can the figure be removed ?( glued in place as opposed to cast in place ?) Thanks, Michael
 
Michael,

I checked an Osprey book that I have, The SdKfz 251 Halftrack, and it is a Hanomag. It was a Hanomag chassis frame that had bolted to it a new armored superstructure.
 
I like the new Meyer Halftrack. It's lines are very smooth and the tracks are of a much cleaner type than previous track sets. Very nice tracks Andy.

I do have the WS13 (Hanomag Halftrack with Gunner) and I placed it beside the Meyer Halftrack. The WS13 is shorter in all three dimensions than the Meyer. The difference is noticable to me only when the vehicles are side-by-side. The greatest difference is in length, the Meyer being longer. The detailing on the front of the vehicle is much more defined on the Meyer and the paint is more realistic. I do display them close to each other, the WS13 is seperated by the Prime Mover and towed 88mm gun.

It is a very nicely done vehicle and I can sense a distinct upgrade in quality.
 
The 251 halftrack was actually made by a number of manufacturers such as Hanomag, MNH, Schichau, Wumag, Weserhutte and Borgward. Therefore to call it a Hanomag is similar to calling all ball point pens Bics, which is incorrect, as are the K & C tracks :)
 
maddadicus said:
But if the pointing figure is fixed, then I will pass, until someone else makes one to suit. Like others, I enjoy the ability to pose my figures. Can the figure be removed ?( glued in place as opposed to cast in place ?) Thanks, Michael
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I still need an answer to this question. Is this figure easily removable? Michael
 
Two of the principal manufacturers of the 251 were Hanomag and one not mentioned in the post above, Bussing-NAG.

Hanomag, which still continues in operation today, is a contraction of Hannoversche Maschinenbau AG, the AG representing the equivalent of Limited or Inc. for UK or American corporations.
 
jazzeum said:
Two of the principal manufacturers of the 251 were Hanomag and one not mentioned in the post above, Bussing-NAG.

Hanomag, which still continues in operation today, is a contraction of Hannoversche Maschinenbau AG, the AG representing the equivalent of Limited or Inc. for UK or American corporations.
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According to the 'Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two' which is the standard reference on this subject, Bussing-NAG were the principle manufacturer of the smaller 250 halftrack, being the one used for the K & C 'Greif'. The book does not mention Bussing NAG producing the 251 at all. Some people do get the 250 and 251 confussed as they are similar at first glance
 
I defer to your knowledge on this and to the book you quote. However, I did find a few internet references, which I know can be unreliable, stating otherwise. Here is one such site. Apparently, the security certificate is not valid for this site so I'm giving this as a cavat. This is the site, https://wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/aam/ah20050722a
 
jazzeum said:
I believe the four figures are all glued in place. I am receiving it Monday so I will tell you for sure.

Here is a link to a thread where Andy discussed the figures being locked in place, http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1582
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What I have visions of doing is buy it, pull the leaning guy out and sell off some of the standing guys to help pay for some of the vehicle. I am more of a vehicle collector than looking at the whole package for future investment value anyways...But a big but, will be if I can get that leaning out out of the vehicle. Of course, will have to find a loose machine gunner also....Michael
 
OzDigger said:
According to the 'Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two' which is the standard reference on this subject, Bussing-NAG were the principle manufacturer of the smaller 250 halftrack, being the one used for the K & C 'Greif'. The book does not mention Bussing NAG producing the 251 at all. Some people do get the 250 and 251 confussed as they are similar at first glance
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Encyclopedia of German Tanks of World War Two by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary Doyle;

Mittlere Schützenpanzerwagen Ausf D (Sd Kfz 251);

page 170;

Manufacturers: ...Büssing-NAG from 1944.

Therefore, you may want to correct your post.

Pierre.

P.S. As we have the same book, please don't reply that I have to look at page 169.
 
Sorry for the delayed reply Pierre. My eldest son insisted his online World of Warcraft games were far more important than my forum discussions.

Well, I could use the defence that we were actually talking about the Panzer Meyer 251, which is certainly not a D version because the Meyer vehicle has the more angular sides and rear of the earlier types. Therefore Bussing-NAG could not have made the Meyer vehicle.

However as the discussion did drift onto the 251 in general I have to defer to Brad that Bussing-NAG also produced the 251, albeit the later D series from 1944. Which I guess confirms that I made a wise descission to purchase some reading glasses earlier today :)
 
I see that a few people have quoted the book that you originally mentioned, Oz. Sounds like a good one to pick up. I assume it's full of color plates and all that. Is there anything like that to your knowledge for Allied tanks?
 
jazzeum said:
I see that a few people have quoted the book that you originally mentioned, Oz. Sounds like a good one to pick up. I assume it's full of color plates and all that. Is there anything like that to your knowledge for Allied tanks?
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No colour plates but a lot of photos. A must to have.

The same authors (sure about Chamberlain) did an Encyclopedia for Allied tanks.

Pierre.
 
OzDigger said:
Sorry for the delayed reply Pierre. My eldest son insisted his online World of Warcraft games were far more important than my forum discussions.

Well, I could use the defence that we were actually talking about the Panzer Meyer 251, which is certainly not a D version because the Meyer vehicle has the more angular sides and rear of the earlier types. Therefore Bussing-NAG could not have made the Meyer vehicle.

However as the discussion did drift onto the 251 in general I have to defer to Brad that Bussing-NAG also produced the 251, albeit the later D series from 1944. Which I guess confirms that I made a wise descission to purchase some reading glasses earlier today :)
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Hi Oz,

Pleased to see that you understood fast why I posted my reply.

This book is surely the bible as you say and I do not deplore having buy it. It is very useful.

And tell your son that there is a big kid of 50 years old who finds that the best pc game ever made was Warcraft II (nearly followed by Starcraft). But now i am too old for online games.

Pierre.
 
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Hello,

Is there anybody who can make some pictures of the Panzer Meyer (WS077) and put them on the Forum?????

I am going to buy the Panzer Meyer but can not wait that long!! I am very curiouse. Thanks in advance for the one who will take the trouble to make some pictures.

Harrie
 
Harrie,

I'm getting it tomorrow so I'll try to put photos on but you can always check Treefrog shop website for a picture.
 
I would be interested in only the loose figures from the vehicle, I don't need the halftrack.
 
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