What is the name of the best sniper of the Second Front and what was his kills score (1 Viewer)

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“Saving Private Ryan” arguably one of the best movie about the WW2’






Top 10 snipers list of WW2

1. Simo Häyhä-Finland - 505 kills
2. Ivan Mikhailovich Sidorenko-USSR. - 500 kils
3. Nikolay Yakovlevich Ilyin- USSR. - 494 kills
4. Ivan Nikolayevich Kulbertinov- USSR. - 489 kills
5. Vladimir Nikolaevich Pchelintsev-USSR. - 456 kills
6. Mikhail Ivanovich Budenkov-USSR. - 437 kills
7. Fyodor Matveyevich Okhlopkov-USSR. - 429 kills
8. Fyodor Trofimovich Dyachenko-USSR. - 425 kills
9. Vasilij Ivanovich Golosov-USSR. - 422 kills
10. Stepan Vasilievich Petrenko-USSR. - 422 kills



The Deadliest German Sniper Of WW2

Matthäus Hetzenaue - 345 kills





The top sniper of the Second Front WW2


I Google “The best sniper of the Second Front WW2” and the Google replyed

Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko - USSR - 309 kills.


I’m confused???

Could you please help me to find out who was the best sniper of the Allies on the Second Front WW2

Thanks.
 
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Oh, heck, let's ask someone who knows.

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By the way, do you know the way to San Jose? I've been away so long. I may go wrong and lose my way. I'm going back to find some peace of mind in San Jose....

LMAO!

Y'know, I was blocking tank, because I thought it'd be a waste of time to read any more of his posts. But you guys are having such fun with him, that I've got to unblock him. Then I can get the full context. Keep it up, guys!

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Brad
 
In the film Saving Private Ryan.

"Private Daniel Jackson was an American left-handed sniper from West Fork, Tennessee serving in the 2nd Rangers Battalion of the United States Army. He was one of the men selected by Captain John H. Miller to search for Private James Francis Ryan, during World War Two”.


In reality

Jumare Jaeger

No. Neither the US Army nor the Marines had snipers in WW2. They had designated marksman however.

A sniper operates autonomously or with an observer/helper. A designsted marksman is a guy who stays with his platoon and is a good shot.

The Germans, Soviets, British, French, and Japanese all had purpose trained snipers but the American military did not. In World War II the American military had “designated marksmen”, but not snipers. Neither the Army nor the Marines had sniper schools, sniper tactical doctrine, nor a sniper specialty. This was because the pre-war US military incorrrctly presumed that WW2 battlefields would be charactetized and dominated by fast moving armored formations, and that snipers could never be effectively deployed.

This was an incredible mistake by the way. Snipers in World War 1 were proven to be incredibly effective. The Germans immediately appreciated the phenomena of Boer snipers during the Boer War, and deployed thousands of specially trained snipers equipped with find Mauser rifles, accurized ammunition, and superb Zeiss telescopic sights . There was one German sniper per battalion. During World War 1, Allied infantry would commonly find German snipers that have been killed by artillery fire that had sniper rifles notched with 30, 40 and 50 notches to signify their kills .

The Allies had no answer against German snipers throughout 1914 and 1915 — they caused tens of thousands of Allied casualties. Neither the British nor the French even had telescopic sight makers ( in all of Britain they were perhaps ten or fifteen Optical scope makers - the British had to buy hunting rifle scopes from Winchester in America).

More than anybody else, the Soviets mastered sniperism as a military tactic. During World War II the Soviet sniper corps numbered at least twenty thousand men and women, they had specialist sniper schools, snipers were publicly celebrated as Heroes, and caused tens of thousands of German casualties.

Saving Private Ryan character Jackson was a designated marksman. A designated marksman is merely one man in an infantry platoon who is a really good shot. At all times at designated Marksman operates with the platoon, he never operates autonomously.

A sniper is a very specially trained infantryman trained in marksmanship, camouflage, fieldcraft, map teading, and signaling. The crucial fact about an authentic World War 2 sniper is that they operated autonomously, or perhaps in the company of an observer.

The Garand rifle was ill-suited as a sniper rifle- it was very dificult to mount an optical scope on a Garand.

Authentic World War 2 snipers were Lone Wolves — they were hunters trained to fight alone.

Looks like there weren’t any snipers of the Allies on the Second Front WW2.
At least there is no info about them.
 
LMAO!

Y'know, I was blocking tank, because I thought it'd be a waste of time to read any more of his posts. But you guys are having such fun with him, that I've got to unblock him. Then I can get the full context. Keep it up, guys!

Prost!
Brad

That is funny!!

They had been blocked by me long time ago so do you want to join them?

Have fun chuckleheaded.
 
I’m just impressed newton could deduce gravity from eating a fig.
Hey wait!
Was Newton a sniper?
 
Since the topic is snipers, this might be a great practicing target {sm4}{sm4}{sm4}

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Top 10 snipers list of WW2

1. Simo Häyhä-Finland - 505

I Google “The best sniper of the Second Front WW2” and the Google replyed

Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko - USSR - 309 kills.


I’m confused???

.

I am confused that you would be confused.

Your own list clearly shows the best sniper of WW2 was from Finland. For such an expert on all things Russian I would think you should recognise that Lyudmila is a female name and her 309 kills not even close to top ten numbers.

I am no WW2 expert but even I can understand Google and Wikipedia.
 
I am confused that you would be confused.

Your own list clearly shows the best sniper of WW2 was from Finland. For such an expert on all things Russian I would think you should recognise that Lyudmila is a female name and her 309 kills not even close to top ten numbers.

I am no WW2 expert but even I can understand Google and Wikipedia.


Hi there.

Obviosly I know who is Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko and for your information she is the most successful female sniper EVER.
This fact simply put her on the same level to top 10 best snipers

"Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko (née Belova; 12 July 1916 – 10 October 1974) was a Soviet sniper in the Red Army during World War II, credited with 309 kills. She is regarded as one of the top military snipers of all time and the most successful female sniper in history.”

And, yes I know who was Simo Häyhä - 505 kills.

And I hope you noticed other 9 snipers from the top 10 snipers list of WW2.
All of them had a very high score... All of them deserved to be in the to 10 list.
Don’t you agree with that?

Now about my confusion:
The Google and Wikipedia don’t have any information about WW2 Allies snipers. WHY???

It would be great to find out what British and French snipers achieved during the WW2.


We know that: "Neither the US Army nor the Marines had snipers in WW2. They had designated marksman however. ... The Germans, Soviets, British, French, and Japanese all had purpose trained snipers but the American military did not.”

Do you know anything about that?

Thanks.
 
Hi there.

Obviosly I know who is Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko and for your information she is the most successful female sniper EVER.
This fact simply put her on the same level to top 10 best snipers

"Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko (née Belova; 12 July 1916 – 10 October 1974) was a Soviet sniper in the Red Army during World War II, credited with 309 kills. She is regarded as one of the top military snipers of all time and the most successful female sniper in history.”

And, yes I know who was Simo Häyhä - 505 kills.

And I hope you noticed other 9 snipers from the top 10 snipers list of WW2.
All of them had a very high score... All of them deserved to be in the to 10 list.
Don’t you agree with that?

Now about my confusion:
The Google and Wikipedia don’t have any information about WW2 Allies snipers. WHY???

It would be great to find out what British and French snipers achieved during the WW2.


We know that: "Neither the US Army nor the Marines had snipers in WW2. They had designated marksman however. ... The Germans, Soviets, British, French, and Japanese all had purpose trained snipers but the American military did not.”

Do you know anything about that?

Thanks.


Probably it’s a cultural thing. In WW II Western civilization countries viewed sniping as a cowardly way to fight a war, practiced by those without the wherewithal to go head to head, Mano a Mano.

US Marines, as an example, fought hand to hand in many engagements, as this was the kind of war it was in the Pacific. The Russians were not involved in the war in the far East, preferring to let others do their fighting.

Given this, one can only conclude that Russian troops had a mind numbingly huge number of weakly countenanced, wimps and cowards within their ranks.
 
That is funny!!

They had been blocked by me long time ago so do you want to join them?

Have fun chuckleheaded.

Wow, an ad hominem attack, and delivered in an almost indecipherable fashion, too! You're really enhancing your credibility.

Prost!
Brad
 
Probably it’s a cultural thing. In WW II Western civilization countries viewed sniping as a cowardly way to fight a war, practiced by those without the wherewithal to go head to head, Mano a Mano.

Given this, one can only conclude that Russian troops had a mind numbingly huge number of weakly countenanced, wimps and cowards within their ranks.

^&confuse^&confuse^&confuse

If one is to follow that same train of thought then the US would be wimps and cowards since Korea forward- not sure that logic fits. The Russian soldier is as formidable as any on the planet- if anything it's their leadership that is highly suspect- but the actual soldier is as lethal as any that ever existed.

The Western allies did not incorporate "Snipers" in their Order of Battle (OOB) in any meaningful numbers because snipers really do not fit what the Western Front was in 1945- a rapid drive to Berlin. Ground was to be gained as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Snipers do not fit that mold. Snipers are better used in a defensive position and essentially act as a force multiplier allowing them to exact precision kill capacity against invading targets high value assets like senior leadership, disrupt communications or other mission essentially tasks. At a squad or company level, they are also used by modern forces to provide covering fire during a host of different missions.

The Fins knew they were going to be overrun by the Soviet juggernaut, it was just a matter of time. Amongst dozens of other defensive measures they took (like flooding fields, cutting lines, blowing bridges, etc), they did an expert job in the deployment of their snipers. In many ways, the Soviets learned a very costly lesson that they were able to leverage a few years later in Stalingrad and other areas where the Germans had them under siege. The Fins took advantage of their hunting culture and their innate knowledge of their home country and exacted an incredibly lethal kill tally against a Soviet Army that was utterly unprepared to fight that fight. Any army that takes to another country fully understands that playing on their field gives them the home field advantage which the Finns clearly had.

When Barbarossa stalled, the German forces settled in and adopted a siege rather than advance and attack strategy. As such, this gave the Soviets time to properly deploy their sniper kill teams similar to how the Finns did in 39. The soviet snipers were all very similar to the Finn snipers- mostly from rural hunting communities with excellent marksmanship. This time, the Soviets were playing on their ground, the Germans were the aggressors and unfamiliar with snipers being deployed in such high numbers. As such, the Soviet sniper teams were able to rack up large body counts- just like the Finns did to them a few years earlier.

The US military (and our Western allies like Canada, Australia and England) uses snipers in a variety of roles from Seal Team 6 picking off Somali pirates, providing overwatch during infiltration patrols in Iraq, and taking out high value AQ leadership assets in Afghanistan. Still, snipers were not used as a viable military option until we began the rebuild process in Iraq. When we were rolling through Iraq in 2003, we adopted an offensive position designed to take ground. Snipers were not actively involved with offensive operations simply because they do not fill that roll. Once we took Iraq (and became immeshed in Vietnam), we took a "Defensive" position and the sniper could finally do his thing. Soviet snipers are still being used in the Ukraine (and yes, there are female snipers in those units as well).

So to answer the original question, snipers were never deployed in any meaningful numbers in any stage of WW2 by the Western allies simply because we were taking ground and constantly on the offensive. Snipers are best deployed as A- part of a support to patrols during pacification or B- as a precision asset with a mission with a very singular purpose.

Hope that helps
CC
 
Hi there.

Obviosly I know who is Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko and for your information she is the most successful female sniper EVER.
This fact simply put her on the same level to top 10 best snipers

"Lyudmila Mikhailovna Pavlichenko (née Belova; 12 July 1916 – 10 October 1974) was a Soviet sniper in the Red Army during World War II, credited with 309 kills. She is regarded as one of the top military snipers of all time and the most successful female sniper in history

And, yes I know who was Simo Häyhä - 505 kills.

And I hope you noticed other 9 snipers from the top 10 snipers list of WW2.
All of them had a very high score... All of them deserved to be in the to 10 list.
Don’t you agree with that?

Now about my confusion:
The Google and Wikipedia don’t have any information about WW2 Allies snipers. WHY???

It would be great to find out what British and French snipers achieved during the WW2.


We know that: "Neither the US Army nor the Marines had snipers in WW2. They had designated marksman however. ... The Germans, Soviets, British, French, and Japanese all had purpose trained snipers but the American military did not.”

Do you know anything about that?

Thanks.

Forgive me for not realising the point of this thread.

You are right. Russia in WW2 was the best at everything. Including killing their own soldiers.

Perhaps you can remind us how many of his own men Stalin had killed. No need to include the civilians.

If you were a Russian senior officer in WW2 who would you like to have as your leader ?
Stalin
Roosevelt
Churchill

What about that Beria guy ? I mean he did great during WW2 what with organising the Katyn massacre and overseeing the gulag camps etc. Stalin was so proud of him it seems he introduced him to Roosevelt as Russia's Himmler.
 
^&confuse^&confuse^&confuse

If one is to follow that same train of thought then the US would be wimps and cowards since Korea forward- not sure that logic fits. The Russian soldier is as formidable as any on the planet- if anything it's their leadership that is highly suspect- but the actual soldier is as lethal as any that ever existed.

The Western allies did not incorporate "Snipers" in their Order of Battle (OOB) in any meaningful numbers because snipers really do not fit what the Western Front was in 1945- a rapid drive to Berlin. Ground was to be gained as quickly and as efficiently as possible. Snipers do not fit that mold. Snipers are better used in a defensive position and essentially act as a force multiplier allowing them to exact precision kill capacity against invading targets high value assets like senior leadership, disrupt communications or other mission essentially tasks. At a squad or company level, they are also used by modern forces to provide covering fire during a host of different missions.

The Fins knew they were going to be overrun by the Soviet juggernaut, it was just a matter of time. Amongst dozens of other defensive measures they took (like flooding fields, cutting lines, blowing bridges, etc), they did an expert job in the deployment of their snipers. In many ways, the Soviets learned a very costly lesson that they were able to leverage a few years later in Stalingrad and other areas where the Germans had them under siege. The Fins took advantage of their hunting culture and their innate knowledge of their home country and exacted an incredibly lethal kill tally against a Soviet Army that was utterly unprepared to fight that fight. Any army that takes to another country fully understands that playing on their field gives them the home field advantage which the Finns clearly had.

When Barbarossa stalled, the German forces settled in and adopted a siege rather than advance and attack strategy. As such, this gave the Soviets time to properly deploy their sniper kill teams similar to how the Finns did in 39. The soviet snipers were all very similar to the Finn snipers- mostly from rural hunting communities with excellent marksmanship. This time, the Soviets were playing on their ground, the Germans were the aggressors and unfamiliar with snipers being deployed in such high numbers. As such, the Soviet sniper teams were able to rack up large body counts- just like the Finns did to them a few years earlier.

The US military (and our Western allies like Canada, Australia and England) uses snipers in a variety of roles from Seal Team 6 picking off Somali pirates, providing overwatch during infiltration patrols in Iraq, and taking out high value AQ leadership assets in Afghanistan. Still, snipers were not used as a viable military option until we began the rebuild process in Iraq. When we were rolling through Iraq in 2003, we adopted an offensive position designed to take ground. Snipers were not actively involved with offensive operations simply because they do not fill that roll. Once we took Iraq (and became immeshed in Vietnam), we took a "Defensive" position and the sniper could finally do his thing. Soviet snipers are still being used in the Ukraine (and yes, there are female snipers in those units as well).

So to answer the original question, snipers were never deployed in any meaningful numbers in any stage of WW2 by the Western allies simply because we were taking ground and constantly on the offensive. Snipers are best deployed as A- part of a support to patrols during pacification or B- as a precision asset with a mission with a very singular purpose.

Hope that helps
CC

Really CC? You took my answer to the AAF "Tank" as a serious reply to another one of his inane attempts at a debate? Really? Really? Good grief.

My intention was purely to mock and deride both him and the glorious Russia he so loves to crow about. I thought that was obvious.

"Hope that helps."
 
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