What the SCALE is going on? (2 Viewers)

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I received my Sherman today and I continue to be puzzled as to how oversized CS has become next to any other MFG.'s interpretation concept of 1/30 scale..First off, I love the new bright paint scheme of the tankers. First time I do not choose to repaint them..The tank is well detailed and the finish looks almost like die-cast metal, which might explain the heavy weight. I do not like the dark olive color, which is not how the ad pictures all show it. IF I KEEP IT, I WILL REPAINT..And the size dwarfs all other mfg.'s similar vehicles. I have attached comparison photos and you can be the judge..First shows a K/C Cromwell, which looks ok ,the CS Sherman, the C/S Panzer 4, a RC 1/30 Sherman, which I repainted, and an early K/C Sherman....2 angles are posted.Michael
 

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The color does look dark although I would defer to Gary about it's correctness.

Regarding scale, I assume you have done the measurements and one of the other two is the correct scale.
 
I think CS is getting the vehicles sized up with the figures. It seems to me that over the years most of the TS companies' figures have always been a bit oversized for the vehicles. I don't mind having 60mm vehicles to match the 60mm figures. I do agree that it makes it more diffucult to display then in the same scene.
 
I always thought the K&C sherman SL was undersized myself and I think some have mentioned it on here before but, CS looks ok IMO colour does seem dark but, I am awaiting the winter version so, the colour is not going to be a problem. Must admit I am a big CS fan and have been since they started the original LAH figures and, as I don't mix and match what sets I have from differing manufacturers, scale difference is not a big issue for me.

Just shows there is no standardised 1/30th scale in the hobby no matter what is said so, you pay your money and takes your chance.
Mitch
 
The color does look dark although I would defer to Gary about it's correctness.

Regarding scale, I assume you have done the measurements and one of the other two is the correct scale.

Quite frankly, it does not matter which vehicle we compute as correct ( R/C version is near exact ) some mfg. believe its their idea of scale or hit the highway, by NOT MAKING IT CLOSE TO COMPATIBLE TO ANYONE ELSE..! When I get my cs Panther back from being repainted, I will match it up and that will determine if CS has finally pushed me out of their collecting camp...Michael
 
Not only does their size not match up but it looks like I'm looking ar 3 different type tanks.Were there different versions of the Shermans?
Mark
 
The two on the right are K & C. The middle one, DD 45 (K & C code number), is a M4A3, while the one on the right, BBA 15, is a M4A1. The CS version is a M4A3E8.

I also believe the DD 45 version was the one shown in the Band of Brothers.

Whether these are correct scale wise, I have no idea.
 
Not only does their size not match up but it looks like I'm looking ar 3 different type tanks.Were there different versions of the Shermans?
Mark

Yes, there are lots of versions which visually varied by the turret (very rounded cast turret and hull vs less rounded vertical sided not cast turret and less rounded not cast hull), gun mantlet (small rounded one vs larger, full width, flat mantlet), Gun (basic 75mm vs long 76mm vs 105mm), Suspension (standard vs HVSS), Extra armour (jumbo version) and not visible were several engine variations by gas vs diesel vs standard size vs large GM engine which made for a slightly longer tank.

The CS Sherman is a late war HVSS version with a large mantlet, less rounded not cast turretand hull, high velocity 76mm long gun and probably a large GM engine which would make the tank a little longer than standard. The middle tank looks like it has a cast turret, not cast hull, a 75mm gun, small rounded gun mantlet, and I cant see the suspension - probably standard. Probably not one of the large GM engines so it should be and is a bit shorter hull. It's also narrower and shorter than the CS tank with narrower treads but all that should be about the same size as the Easy 8 tank???

As for the K&C Sherman (one of my favourites and in my core collection) Has a flat sided non cast turret and hull, standard suspension, 75mm gun, large flat gun mantlet, and likely a standard sized engine. But it is an older model and may not be 1/30 scale but nearer 1/32 scale.

Terry
 
The two on the right are K & C. The middle one, DD 45 (K & C code number), is a M4A3, while the one on the right, BBA 15, is a M4A1. The CS version is a M4A3E8.

I also believe the DD 45 version was the one shown in the Band of Brothers.

Whether these are correct scale wise, I have no idea.

I'm pretty sure the middle one is not K&C or DD45 because that tank had a 105mm gun which the middle tank does not. And DD45 has "H2" on the turret.

Terry
 
I'm pretty sure the middle one is not K&C or DD45 because that tank had a 105mm gun which the middle tank does not. And DD45 has "H2" on the turret.

Terry

The middle one is a Radio Controlled tank I purchased off Ebay ,repainted and stowage added. It was advertised as 1/30 scale and other than being a correct length, seemed to fit in with my K/C stuff. I must admit that the early K/C stuff seems very compressed , especially in the length..I feel there is no reason why the mfg. cannot all play by the same scale/size rules. I will always choose to reject that which does not fit in...Michael
 
Sorry about that; didn't look closely enough.

At any rate, I guess the original scale question hasn't yet been answered.
 
Sorry about that; didn't look closely enough.

At any rate, I guess the original scale question hasn't yet been answered.

As a guess, all of the K&C Shermans are old models and are likely smaller than 1/30, the exception being the classic Sherman which I don't have. The Figarti Shermans are recent and should be 1/30, although I haven't measured them. The CS Shermans are recent and should be 1/30 as well but I don't have any to measure. The CS Sherman could be the longer version with the big GM engine.

Terry
 
I think CS is getting the vehicles sized up with the figures. It seems to me that over the years most of the TS companies' figures have always been a bit oversized for the vehicles. I don't mind having 60mm vehicles to match the 60mm figures. I do agree that it makes it more diffucult to display then in the same scene.

Yes! The Breaker nailed it! Finally true 1/30th scale vehicles are here, and to stay. As I have mentioned so many times before, that was the goal with our new armor range. We finally provide tanks that go with 1/30 scale figures: they will not work with underscaled vehicles that is for certain and they were never meant to.

We at TCS got tired of seeing all of these right sized figures in tiny tanks, so we decided to correct this ongoing problem, so enjoy a correct and cohesive dispay once and for all.

Tally Hooo! Brian
 
Yes! The Breaker nailed it! Finally true 1/30th scale vehicles are here, and to stay. As I have mentioned so many times before, that was the goal with our new armor range. We finally provide tanks that go with 1/30 scale figures: they will not work with underscaled vehicles that is for certain and they were never meant to.

We at TCS got tired of seeing all of these right sized figures in tiny tanks, so we decided to correct this ongoing problem, so enjoy a correct and cohesive dispay once and for all.

Tally Hooo! Brian

I guess I choose not to start from scratch collecting armor. Just because you want to make new rules and say screw you to those of us that try to spread the wealth among multiple mfg. that at least ( Figarti, K/C, and FL ) can be mixed and matched among their many offerings, I have bought my last CS piece. The Sherman will be returned and my Godzilla sized Mark 4 will be sold off. I will keep my other 3 models because they are usable in my universe. My guess is that your " 1/30 " is more 1/29-1/28 ( I and others are capable of doing some scale math ), but you are stuck with your story and have no where else to go but to support your error to the end...I have never felt this disappointed in a mfg. that I at one time ,believed in...Michael
 
After buying the CSC Stug I now have a Tiger , Panzer 4 , Panther & can't believe how well made they are with metal parts + a lot cheaper than other company's;)
 
I guess I choose not to start from scratch collecting armor. Just because you want to make new rules and say screw you to those of us that try to spread the wealth among multiple mfg. that at least ( Figarti, K/C, and FL ) can be mixed and matched among their many offerings, I have bought my last CS piece. The Sherman will be returned and my Godzilla sized Mark 4 will be sold off. I will keep my other 3 models because they are usable in my universe. My guess is that your " 1/30 " is more 1/29-1/28 ( I and others are capable of doing some scale math ), but you are stuck with your story and have no where else to go but to support your error to the end...I have never felt this disappointed in a mfg. that I at one time ,believed in...Michael

Don't you think you should get your facts right first & measure your CSC tank before saying there wrong :confused::rolleyes:
 

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