Winter Chaffee or M10 TD? (2 Viewers)

[Saber]

Thanks Oz. I think I'll get the jeep to go with the M12 but on second thought I'll get the photographer standing on the beach taking pictures of the British/Commonwealth armour that IS COMING TO REINFORCE THE ALLIES!
(sometime this year I hope)

 

[Rob]

Saber,that jeep is so cool though,i just got it and now i want the M12 to park next to it.

Rob

 

[binder001]

THAT DARNED M12!!! I thought I could pass on it and not feel bad, then I saw the little beastie at OTSN and bought it then and there! I was TOO nice to pass up. The Patrol Jeep is also a very nice item.

Gary

 

[Saber]

Well I might as well go ahead and get the jeep as my carefully schemed out purchasing strategy is completely shot. And that M12 is just fantastic! It's got me slobbering over the new 88 but then again I'm a sucker for the less famous AFV & Arty pieces. I'll apologize in advance if I post any pics with Napoleon assaulting Bastogne or Julius attacking Verdun! So many soldiers so little time.

 

[Harrytheheid]

Saber,that jeep is so cool though,i just got it and now i want the M12 to park next to it.

Rob

These would also work well together in a Korean War diorama.
"THINKS" - Hmmmm.....now that's an idea H ...

Cheers
H

 

[binder001]

These would also work well together in a Korean War diorama - H

Harry,

Sorry - not Korean War. The M12 was cobbled together from the old 155 M1917A1 gun on a heavily modified M3 "Lee" chassis. Thee were only about 100 built, and about 74-80 upgraded for service in Europe. That's why you don't see them in Italy or the Pacific. By the end of the war they were worn out and the guns were obsolete. The M12s were quickly retired and scrapped. Their replacement was the M40 that used M4 components to mount the 155 "Long Tom" type weapon. There was a "sister" vehicle, the M43, that mounted an 8" howitzer. THESE were used quite a bit in Korea and stayed in NATO armies into the early 1960's.

Gary

 

[OzDigger]

Well I might as well go ahead and get the jeep as my carefully schemed out purchasing strategy is completely shot. And that M12 is just fantastic! It's got me slobbering over the new 88 but then again I'm a sucker for the less famous AFV & Arty pieces. I'll apologize in advance if I post any pics with Napoleon assaulting Bastogne or Julius attacking Verdun! So many soldiers so little time.

IMO the M12 is a must have if you collect US armor, so many models so little time AND money

 

[Harrytheheid]

Harry,

Sorry - not Korean War. The M12 was cobbled together from the old 155 M1917A1 gun on a heavily modified M3 "Lee" chassis. Thee were only about 100 built, and about 74-80 upgraded for service in Europe. That's why you don't see them in Italy or the Pacific. By the end of the war they were worn out and the guns were obsolete. The M12s were quickly retired and scrapped. Their replacement was the M40 that used M4 components to mount the 155 "Long Tom" type weapon. There was a "sister" vehicle, the M43, that mounted an 8" howitzer. THESE were used quite a bit in Korea and stayed in NATO armies into the early 1960's.

Gary

Thanks Gary.
Okay, how about the following (not necessarily all together) for a Korean dio;
BBA024
DD041
DD068
DD069
DD075
DD076
DD077
DD088
DD092
DD096
I would think there's plenty of scope there..? And for a Korean winter scene, wouldn't most of the BBA Americans be suitable along with the winter Chaffee..?

Cheers
H

 

[binder001]

BBA024 - yes
DD041 - No
DD068 - Jeep OK, uniforms too early
DD069 - No
DD075 - Jeep OK, but the uniforms are too early
DD076 - No
DD077 - No
DD088 - Yes
DD092 - Yes
DD096 - uniform too early

The basic problem with the DD figures is that most are in wool uniforms with M1938 field jackets and leggings. The US Army went to Korea in HBT fatigues and used the later M1943 uniforms (and their descendants) for cooler weather. The BBA - series figures are generally OK because the Army and Marines used WW2 style coats, etc. for winter (although later issue items were there too). There were few tanker jackets seen in Korean photos, although the armor crews did have some still available.

Interestingly, the Iwo Jima Marines can be used for Korea in the warm weather. I don't know if they changed the leggings to combat boots by Korea, but the rest of the uniform didn't really change.

The Chaffee is basically good for Korea in either version. They were found wanting against the T34/85 but stayed in service for patrolling and anti-guerilla use. The other closest K&C tank for Korea was the old DD27 Sherman as Andy captured a lot of late features (not perfect, but useable). The Army also still used the GMC CCKW truck (DD40 I think) and the M16 AA halftrack (DD35) in Korea.

Gary

 

[Harrytheheid]

BBA024 - yes
DD041 - No
DD068 - Jeep OK, uniforms too early
DD069 - No
DD075 - Jeep OK, but the uniforms are too early
DD076 - No
DD077 - No
DD088 - Yes
DD092 - Yes
DD096 - uniform too early

The basic problem with the DD figures is that most are in wool uniforms with M1938 field jackets and leggings. The US Army went to Korea in HBT fatigues and used the later M1943 uniforms (and their descendants) for cooler weather. The BBA - series figures are generally OK because the Army and Marines used WW2 style coats, etc. for winter (although later issue items were there too). There were few tanker jackets seen in Korean photos, although the armor crews did have some still available.

Interestingly, the Iwo Jima Marines can be used for Korea in the warm weather. I don't know if they changed the leggings to combat boots by Korea, but the rest of the uniform didn't really change.

The Chaffee is basically good for Korea in either version. They were found wanting against the T34/85 but stayed in service for patrolling and anti-guerilla use. The other closest K&C tank for Korea was the old DD27 Sherman as Andy captured a lot of late features (not perfect, but useable). The Army also still used the GMC CCKW truck (DD40 I think) and the M16 AA halftrack (DD35) in Korea.

Gary

Oh well....so it's basically looking like the Bulge figures and the Winter Chaffee.
Hmmm...well, I have quite a few of the Bulge figures and a winter Chaffee is on the radar scope anyway.....And I really want to do something different like Korea.
Thanks for the info.

Cheers
H

 

[Molloy]

Oh well....so it's basically looking like the Bulge figures and the Winter Chaffee.
Hmmm...well, I have quite a few of the Bulge figures and a winter Chaffee is on the radar scope anyway.....And I really want to do something different like Korea.
Thanks for the info.

Cheers
H

Hi H,

Just out of interest, would you be thinking of using some of the Figarti North Korean figures as opposition, or are you just considering a stand-alone diorama with US troops? Does any other manufacturer actually produce Korean War figures in this scale for that matter? Figarti are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Cheers,

Molloy.

 

[binder001]

The Korean conflict has never been a big area of interest in toy soldiers or models either. There are interesting possibilities with US Army, USMC, RoK, British Commonwealth and other US troops versus the North Koreans and ChiComs. There were uniforms from coldest winter to the heat of summer.

In 1/32nd scale Forces of Valor has an M26 and T34/85 as well as the M16 halftrack, 105mm howitzer and a jeep. 21st Century has the 155 gun and 8 inch howitzer, plus a Chaffee.

Interestingly, in 1/72nd scale there are several sets of Korean War plastic figures by Imex that cover US Army, ROK Army, NKPA and CCF.

Gary

 

[steel wheels]

One of those EASY EIGHT shermans with the painted Tiger face along with a crew would be awesome.