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[sammy719]

Hello everyone,
new WW 1 scoop!!
Today I just got figurines magazine found this ad FL.{eek3}
Best.
Guy.:salute::

The WWI sets look amazing, must say I hope the WWII painters can steal the mold of the wounded/comrade and use it for Stalingrad!! just need a quick touch up here and there and it would be a great WWII set also. Anyone that is collecting this new range has some great stuff to work with right out of the gates, along with the French sets coming out soon as well...Sammy

 

[Poppo]

The german ww1 uniform cut looks too modern to me, ex. pants are too tight in my opinion .

 

[Gebhard]

The german ww1 uniform cut looks too modern to me, ex. pants are too tight in my opinion .

What ????????? Really ??????? If your looking for a reason not to buy some ****ed fine looking WWI German figures that is IMO not a good one . The only thing that turns me off a bit is the color of those tunics (sorry George :wink2 but as I know their promo pictures suck and are not nearly as good as the real thing I'm all in boys. If fact these look freaken GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.... Thanks again to Guy for the Photo. regards Gebhard

 

[sammy719]

The german ww1 uniform cut looks too modern to me, ex. pants are too tight in my opinion .

No doubt,unequivocally, hands down, rotflmao, the #1. Reason I have ever heard not to buy toy soldiers!!...Sammy

 

[Dragoon]

The german ww1 uniform cut looks too modern to me, ex. pants are too tight in my opinion .

Oh, worse than that, the officer of the 24th doesn't even have any legs.......... Must be a tank commander. :wink2:

 

[Artillery_crazy]

Guys, I commend FL's choice to follow up and also release their own WW1 sets.....apart from the fact that it has been well noticed that the uniforms are too WW2 styled....anyone checking period pictures will see that..{sm3}..I am afraid that the FL owners or at least the ones responsible for the WW1 played too hard on shell shocked troops....I see no French soldiers being shot or dying even though they are all in a charging style, were as the Germans that I assume are defending a position ( due to the soldiers poses and the use of static artillery support in the form of a MG and the trench mortar ) have a more than normal share of dead/dying, wounded and shell shocked soldiers not to mention a NCO/Sgt holding a soldier from running away.....Not a fare balance of what used to happen at both sides of the trench..Being that the one army that revolted and did not want to continue fighting way before 1918.. and nearly left the trenches for good were the French and not the Germans that stood until the end.......
Cheers
A_C

The WWI sets look amazing, must say I hope the WWII painters can steal the mold of the wounded/comrade and use it for Stalingrad!! just need a quick touch up here and there and it would be a great WWII set also. Anyone that is collecting this new range has some great stuff to work with right out of the gates, along with the French sets coming out soon as well...Sammy

 

[lancer]

I don't see the problem with the FL figures, German or French. FL is timing these figures as battle of the Somme and as such, the German uniforms look right to me. The equipment is certainly correct. The French look spot on correct in all aspects. As to the attitude of the figures, the German troops are obviously meant to be caught at the moment that they are emerging from their dugouts after the long pre-attack bombardment, in this case to defend against the French attack. The French troops are in attacking aspect, assault packs and all, and are not yet at the point where return fire has started to cause casualties. In short, these troops seem to be depicted at the very outset of the infantry attack, the French just getting their assault underway, the Germans getting ready to defend their trenches. And incidently, the French Army as a whole did not mutiny or wish to quit the war. Elements of the French Army did revolt in a spontaneous manner but only as a result of long years of seemingly useless slaughter of their ranks and a general inattentiveness to the morale of the French soldiers. They did not refuse to defend their country but rather refused to be pushed into further useless offensives. The French still wanted to defeat the Germans and end the war, but the methods would have to change. I think that FL has done a fine job, from what the ad pictures show, in depicting the two armies as they appear in 1916. -- Al

 

[marco55]

Agree with you mostly except for the uniform issue.I also believe they look more WWII than WWI.IMO.
Mark

 

[lancer]

Agree with you mostly except for the uniform issue.I also believe they look more WWII than WWI.IMO.
Mark

Mark, I just don't see this. What is it about them that looks so WW2? It's not the helmet as it has the deeper shape and the shield bolts. The equipment all appears to be correct to the date. German uniforms varied in color shades, as most all uniforms do to some degree. The boots and puttees are correct. The red piping on the jackets is correct to that style of jacket, which appears to be the modified 1910 style, or the 1914 jacket, I can't really tell which, as are the red unit numbers on the shoulders. Some of the figures are wearing the 1915 assault packs and the gray pants look right, as well. JMO, but these guys scream WW1, not 2. -- Al

 

[marco55]

To me the pictures I have seen the clothes were a little bigger,looser,more baggy on them.That's my perception on the issue.
Mark

 

[lancer]

To me the pictures I have seen the clothes were a little bigger,looser,more baggy on them.That's my perception on the issue.
Mark

OK, I read you now and understand. I think you are correct, especially as regards later war uniform cuts and material. Not sure that is the case with the earlier, better made uniforms. -- Al

 

[Gebhard]

Mark, I just don't see this. What is it about them that looks so WW2? It's not the helmet as it has the deeper shape and the shield bolts. The equipment all appears to be correct to the date. German uniforms varied in color shades, as most all uniforms do to some degree. The boots and puttees are correct. The red piping on the jackets is correct to that style of jacket, which appears to be the modified 1910 style, or the 1914 jacket, I can't really tell which, as are the red unit numbers on the shoulders. Some of the figures are wearing the 1915 assault packs and the gray pants look right, as well. JMO, but these guys scream WW1, not 2. -- Al

Hi Al,
Not to correct you but the Model 1916 Stahlhelms being worn never had shield Bolts in their design these were ventilation bolts. The forehead plate was attached by sliding over the ventilation bolts and then strapped on with a leather strap with a buckle at the back.

From what I can see from the picture there are a mixture of Tunics being worn. The best way to tell from the front is the Brandenburg Cuffs (piped in red) of the Model 1907/10 and the so called French Cuff (No Piping) of the more simplified Model 1910/14 (Transitional) which was by September of 1914 regulation and seeing wide scale issue in 1915.

I only see one figure wearing the final model issued ( figure attaching his bayonet) , the Model 1915 was completely without piping also with the simplified cuff and green wool collar and cut more comfortably. They were issued to all branches, officers and troops alike and were instituted to make it more simple to supply troops ending the myriad of designs and the traditional distinction of branches by the cut and cuffs of their uniforms.

I didn't notice any piping on the pants (except for the Officer on the Phone) which would make them the Model 1915.

I also very much like the mixture of footwear. Some with the lace up ankle boots and woolen puttees and others with the Infantry Boots. Great touch IMO

These figures are well researched as you know to represent the German soldier at the time of the Battle of the Somme in 1916. Nothing about these figures could be confused with WWII German figures period. It's like I often say about their Napoleonic figures the more you know about the period the more you can appreciate just how good these figures are and just how much research goes into making them. regards Gebhard

 

[lancer]

Hi Al,
Not to correct you but the Model 1916 Stahlhelms being worn never had shield Bolts in their design these were ventilation bolts. The forehead plate was attached by sliding over the ventilation bolts and then strapped on with a leather strap with a buckle at the back.

From what I can see from the picture there are a mixture of Tunics being worn. The best way to tell from the front is the Brandenburg Cuffs (piped in red) of the Model 1907/10 and the so called French Cuff (No Piping) of the more simplified Model 1910/14 (Transitional) which was by September of 1914 regulation and seeing wide scale issue in 1915.

I only see one figure wearing the final model issued ( figure attaching his bayonet) , the Model 1915 was completely without piping also with the simplified cuff and green wool collar and cut more comfortably. They were issued to all branches, officers and troops alike and were instituted to make it more simple to supply troops ending the myriad of designs and the traditional distinction of branches by the cut and cuffs of their uniforms.

I didn't notice any piping on the pants (except for the Officer on the Phone) which would make them the Model 1915.

I also very much like the mixture of footwear. Some with the lace up ankle boots and woolen puttees and others with the Infantry Boots. Great touch IMO

These figures are well researched as you know to represent the German soldier at the time of the Battle of the Somme in 1916. Nothing about these figures could be confused with WWII German figures period. It's like I often say about their Napoleonic figures the more you know about the period the more you can appreciate just how good these figures are and just how much research goes into making them. regards Gebhard

My mistake on the terminology for the ventilation bolts. I'm certainly not an expert on the many WW1 German uniform nuances (and there are many), but these figures sure look good to me based on what I do know. The level of FL's research is impressive on these Germans, as it is with the French Poilu they have shown. I am really looking forward to them all. -- Al

 

[Gebhard]

My mistake on the terminology for the ventilation bolts. I'm certainly not an expert on the many WW1 German uniform nuances (and there are many), but these figures sure look good to me based on what I do know. The level of FL's research is impressive on these Germans, as it is with the French Poilu they have shown. I am really looking forward to them all. -- Al

Hi Al,
We all have our interest and things we enjoy, for me its always been the collecting and the studying of Military uniforms and equipment. It's only recently that I have been able to enjoy my off the shelf Toy Soldier Hobby to the level I have always wished for. First Legion put as much research, effort, thought and time into creating their figures as I do in selecting the ones I purchase for my collection. I really think this line is going to be very popular and at least you and I are really looking forward to enjoying them all for a long long time :wink2:. regards Gebhard

 

[lcdr1635]

OK, I read you now and understand. I think you are correct, especially as regards later war uniform cuts and material. Not sure that is the case with the earlier, better made uniforms. -- Al

I had the same feeling about the Poilu. I thought the trousers on the upcoming figures were cut much too slim. Most photos I see of WWI French infantry show pretty loose fitting trousers bloused into boots or putties. I also would have liked to have seen more of the Poilu wearing greatcoats as this seems to have been standard in all but the warmest weather.

Still I probably will pick up two or three.

 

[lancer]

I had the same feeling about the Poilu. I thought the trousers on the upcoming figures were cut much too slim. Most photos I see of WWI French infantry show pretty loose fitting trousers bloused into boots or putties. I also would have liked to have seen more of the Poilu wearing greatcoats as this seems to have been standard in all but the warmest weather.

Still I probably will pick up two or three.

I also prefer the French infantry in their greatcoats. Those greatcoats, unique helmets, and those long needle-like bayonets just scream Poilu to me. I would also like to see some Poilu with those huge backpacks which carried everything, including the kitchen sink.:wink2: -- Al