Ws043 question and possibly other k & c (1 Viewer)

jazzeum said:
Tyler,

In answer to your question, the answer is yes. In any collectibles, variations may be worth more. For example, there are two types of DD 22, the Patton Command Car; one where the wheels move and the other where they don't. The latter is worth more.
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I own DD22 with the wheels that don't move. Why is that worth more? Thanks in advance.
 
I believe it is worth more (how much more I don't know) because it's rarer. My source for this was Larry so perhaps he can weigh in.

I don't see why collecting a variation is folly. In many collectibles a variation is worth more. For example, in stamps, the upside down Jenny airplane is very rare and worth thousands.

People who collect old K & C know about this variation and have the two types. It's what makes the older stuff interesting but expensive.

I happen to have one of the old Spits. When Andy saw it, he said that a mistake was made in making it. That makes it worth more. It's nice to have something that maybe no one else does :)
 
jazzeum said:
I believe it is worth more (how much more I don't know) because it's rarer. My source for this was Larry so perhaps he can weigh in.

I don't see why collecting a variation is folly. In many collectibles a variation is worth more. For example, in stamps, the upside down Jenny airplane is very rare and worth thousands.

People who collect old K & C know about this variation and have the two types. It's what makes the older stuff interesting but expensive.

I happen to have one of the old Spits. When Andy saw it, he said that a mistake was made in making it. That makes it worth more. It's nice to have something that maybe no one else does :)
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The wheels on my Patton car do move. If I glue them in a fixed position, will that increase the value? :D

Terry
 
Tyler,

I have a little upoloading the listing on my end but did you include an image of the box. Might not be a bad idea because there are a lot of people who are accustomed to the newer boxes and might have never seen the old box. Could be a selling point, as well as educational; I had a buyer question the box (the old green one) on an item I sold because he had never seen one. I assured him it was genuine.
 
jazzeum said:
I happen to have one of the old Spits. When Andy saw it, he said that a mistake was made in making it. That makes it worth more. It's nice to have something that maybe no one else does :)
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We've got a Badolato / Elliott book like that. It's worth thousands in terms of entertainment. ;):p
 
jazzeum said:
I believe it is worth more (how much more I don't know) because it's rarer. My source for this was Larry so perhaps he can weigh in.

I don't see why collecting a variation is folly. In many collectibles a variation is worth more. For example, in stamps, the upside down Jenny airplane is very rare and worth thousands.

People who collect old K & C know about this variation and have the two types. It's what makes the older stuff interesting but expensive.

I happen to have one of the old Spits. When Andy saw it, he said that a mistake was made in making it. That makes it worth more. It's nice to have something that maybe no one else does :)
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Brad,
As far as value goes, for some it will be worth paying more, for others it is not worth the added expense. From my viewpoint, it all depends on what type of collector you are. Some are completist, some buy only sets in a range that appeal to them, others like to purchase multiples, some only buy armour, some only artillery - the variety of collecting styles and their resulting collections is what makes this hobby fun for me. I have been fortunate to view a number of collections of fellow hobbyists and I get a kick out of seeing what they collect and how they display them. Each collection is special and I enjoy marveling at the range this hobby provides us. For myself, my collecting habits have changed over time. I started really collecting only K&C WW2 Germans in matte, then American WW2 then I met Louis Badolato and it went downhill from there. Soon I was collecting other eras in matte, then glossy and then the wood planes and tanks made by K&C. So, I was hooked and was a completist - trying to get just about every set and their variations. Then a fellow collector, Hans Hedrich, gifted me a collection of Trophy Boxer Rebellion sets and so I now collect Trophy as well. I guess the moral of this long-winded story is if you want to maintain a sane collection - stay away from Louis and Hans:p:D

Here is an example of how obsessive one can get with variations of the same item - Three examples of K&C's wood Tigers with three different hull numbers - 101, 201 and 402:

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Lawrence Lo said:
Brad,
As far as value goes, for some it will be worth paying more, for others it is not worth the added expense. From my viewpoint, it all depends on what type of collector you are. Some are completist, some buy only sets in a range that appeal to them, others like to purchase multiples, some only buy armour, some only artillery - the variety of collecting styles and their resulting collections is what makes this hobby fun for me. I have been fortunate to view a number of collections of fellow hobbyists and I get a kick out of seeing what they collect and how they display them. Each collection is special and I enjoy marveling at the range this hobby provides us. For myself, my collecting habits have changed over time. I started really collecting only K&C WW2 Germans in matte, then American WW2 then I met Louis Badolato and it went downhill from there. Soon I was collecting other eras in matte, then glossy and then the wood planes and tanks made by K&C. So, I was hooked and was a completist - trying to get just about every set and their variations. Then a fellow collector, Hans Hedrich, gifted me a collection of Trophy Boxer Rebellion sets and so I now collect Trophy as well. I guess the moral of this long-winded story is if you want to maintain a sane collection - stay away from Louis and Hans:p:D

Here is an example of how obsessive one can get with variations of the same item - Three examples of K&C's wood Tigers with three different hull numbers - 101, 201 and 402:
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Wow! very nice too :eek::)

Jeff
 
A very impressive family of Tigers. What is the turret number on the 4th Tiger hiding in the rear?:D -- lancer
 
Lawrence Lo said:
Brad,
As far as value goes, for some it will be worth paying more, for others it is not worth the added expense. From my viewpoint, it all depends on what type of collector you are. Some are completist, some buy only sets in a range that appeal to them, others like to purchase multiples, some only buy armour, some only artillery - the variety of collecting styles and their resulting collections is what makes this hobby fun for me. I have been fortunate to view a number of collections of fellow hobbyists and I get a kick out of seeing what they collect and how they display them. Each collection is special and I enjoy marveling at the range this hobby provides us. For myself, my collecting habits have changed over time. I started really collecting only K&C WW2 Germans in matte, then American WW2 then I met Louis Badolato and it went downhill from there. Soon I was collecting other eras in matte, then glossy and then the wood planes and tanks made by K&C. So, I was hooked and was a completist - trying to get just about every set and their variations. Then a fellow collector, Hans Hedrich, gifted me a collection of Trophy Boxer Rebellion sets and so I now collect Trophy as well. I guess the moral of this long-winded story is if you want to maintain a sane collection - stay away from Louis and Hans:p:D
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I agree with you generally Larry. If you're a completist having the variations would be important and would go the extra mile. I always find variations interesting but, alas, money is a factor so I've had to chuck the completist idea out the window and get selective with my purchases.

However, my path is similar to yours: I started out as a WW II collector and then too met Louis. Very, very, very bad :D I became interested in the planes and then the glossy, which is kind of funny. I was helping Louis to unpack for the first Symposium in his new house and put out Nelson's Navy, Rough Riders and some other sets. That did me in. My first non WW II purchase was to clean out Treefrog of what they had left in Royal Navy and Nelson's Navy. From then onto glossies, which I've actually come to like better than the matte stuff. Along the way I picked up a K & C Camel. Bad move. That has resulted in getting a couple of Trophy camels, Somerset Camels, more K & C camels and the new Britain camels. Now, I'm thinking of branching out into other Trophy areas

Louis, we hate you!!!:D:p:eek:
 
jazzeum said:
I agree with you generally Larry. If you're a completist having the variations would be important and would go the extra mile. I always find variations interesting but, alas, money is a factor so I've had to chuck the completist idea out the window and get selective with my purchases.

However, my path is similar to yours: I started out as a WW II collector and then too met Louis. Very, very, very bad :D I became interested in the planes and then the glossy, which is kind of funny. I was helping Louis to unpack for the first Symposium in his new house and put out Nelson's Navy, Rough Riders and some other sets. That did me in. My first non WW II purchase was to clean out Treefrog of what they had left in Royal Navy and Nelson's Navy. From then onto glossies, which I've actually come to like better than the matte stuff. Along the way I picked up a K & C Camel. Bad move. That has resulted in getting a couple of Trophy camels, Somerset Camels, more K & C camels and the new Britain camels. Now, I'm thinking of branching out into other Trophy areas

Louis, we hate you!!!:D:p:eek:
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Sure Brad and Larry, blame me for your excesses!:D:p:rolleyes: On a serious note though, one thing that has been amazing for me about K&C is the incredible value of the older K&C products for purposes of trade. I have rarely got a better return on an initial investment than I have when trading duplicates of my classic K&C items.
 
Well, who are we going to blame? Ourselves? :eek: That would be too, too easy :D

Seriously, have to agree with you about value. They do seem to hold even in this economy.
 
lancer said:
A very impressive family of Tigers. What is the turret number on the 4th Tiger hiding in the rear?:D -- lancer
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Lancer,

Good eye:D The 4th Tiger is K&C's first wooden Tiger with turrent #11. Here is a photo of the Tiger with the first wooden K&C Panther.

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Phantom Warrior said:
Good for you. Did the price include the parts broken off so the buyer can fix it? I hope so - in that case I think you both did well :)

Terry
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For the most part yea, I re glued the exhaust, it just needs painted, but the small piece above the tank tread I could never find unfortunately. But once everything is touched up with paint, you won't be able to tell its broken, unless inspecting it so yea not bad on for the both of us.
 
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