WW1 Anzacs at Gallipoli. (1 Viewer)

I wouldn't say A Bridge Too Far was anti British. Yes it highlighted some errors and incompetence but it also showed a lot of courage and stiff upper lip resolve not to mention eccentricity that Brits are famous for!

It's my favourite war movie along with Where Eagles Dare.

I'm sure there are inaccuracies but show me a completely accurate war movie and i'll come to Oz and shake your hand :D
 
Eazy said:
I wouldn't say A Bridge Too Far was anti British. Yes it highlighted some errors and incompetence but it also showed a lot of courage and stiff upper lip resolve not to mention eccentricity that Brits are famous for!

It's my favourite war movie along with Where Eagles Dare.

I'm sure there are inaccuracies but show me a completely accurate war movie and i'll come to Oz and shake your hand :D
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Easy,havn't you seen my new film!.Its called:

'How the British army won both wars without any mistakes of any kind and how wonderfully we did it!'.Its absolutely accurate from the title right down to the scene where me and Jennifer Aniston have to shelter in a dark air raid shelter cos we both lost our clothes in a freak tumble dryer accident...

Better book your ticket to Oz mate!

Rob;)
 
Sounds a good movie as long as they keep you out of the shot and just focus on Jennifer Aniston.
She could be pining for her faraway lover Brad Pitt who is missing presumed dead (when in reality he is recovering from wounds in a malaysian orphanage run by school teacher/nurse Angelina Jolie) and stumbles into the arms of a random Postman who was not allowed to join up because of his dodgy back.
 
Eazy said:
Sounds a good movie as long as they keep you out of the shot and just focus on Jennifer Aniston.
She could be pining for her faraway lover Brad Pitt who is missing presumed dead (when in reality he is recovering from wounds in a malaysian orphanage run by school teacher/nurse Angelina Jolie) and stumbles into the arms of a random Postman who was not allowed to join up because of his dodgy back.
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LOL!!:D 'Random postman' indeed!.We were elite public servants mate,trained in the art of opening birthday car....i mean delivering the mail through wind and snow.Unless of course it was raining and then we just went home.

Anyway the nurse who delivers my medicine and electric shocks every morning at ten says its a great idea for a film!.And she is going to ring Miss Aniston just as soon as i stop thinking i'm Cleopatra and i no longer see flying Monkeys.:D

Rob
 
Rob said:
See,my film has an audience already!;)
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And it's all because it stars Rob Wilson, the UK's hottest new thing to hit Hollywood! :rolleyes:
Oh, and that other person, whatever her name is...

Simon
 
It would be great too see some anzacs at gallipoli ,
I know the british suffered much heavier casualties than the
anzacs I believe in excess of 50.000,
But for Australia and New Zealand being relativly young countrys at the time it does have a fair bit of signifigance.
I visited Gallipoli a few years back but I believe the landscape has changed
a fair bit since WW1 although thier are still some small sections of trenches
etc visible.
heres a quote from ataturk on the memorial their to Anzac and British losses.

THOSE HEROES THAT SHED THEIR BLOOD
AND LOST THEIR LIVES... YOU ARE
NOW LYING IN THE SOIL OF A FRIENDLY
COUNTRY. THEREFORE REST IN PEACE.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
JOHNNIES AND MEHMETS TO US
WHERE THEY LIE SIDE BY SIDE HERE IN
THIS COUNTRY OF OURS... YOU, THE
MOTHERS, WHO SENT THEIR SONS FROM
FARAWAY COUNTRIES WIPE AWAY YOUR
TEARS; YOUR SONS ARE NOW LYING IN
OUR BOSOM AND ARE IN PEACE. AFTER
HAVING LOST THEIR LIVES ON THIS LAND
THEY HAVE BECOME OUR SONS AS WELL.'
KEMAL ATATURK
 
Wraith said:
And it's all because it stars Rob Wilson, the UK's hottest new thing to hit Hollywood! :rolleyes:
Oh, and that other person, whatever her name is...

Simon
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Fame at last!

Rob:D
 
vandilay said:
It would be great too see some anzacs at gallipoli ,
I know the british suffered much heavier casualties than the
anzacs I believe in excess of 50.000,
But for Australia and New Zealand being relativly young countrys at the time it does have a fair bit of signifigance.
I visited Gallipoli a few years back but I believe the landscape has changed
a fair bit since WW1 although thier are still some small sections of trenches
etc visible.
heres a quote from ataturk on the memorial their to Anzac and British losses.

THOSE HEROES THAT SHED THEIR BLOOD
AND LOST THEIR LIVES... YOU ARE
NOW LYING IN THE SOIL OF A FRIENDLY
COUNTRY. THEREFORE REST IN PEACE.
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
JOHNNIES AND MEHMETS TO US
WHERE THEY LIE SIDE BY SIDE HERE IN
THIS COUNTRY OF OURS... YOU, THE
MOTHERS, WHO SENT THEIR SONS FROM
FARAWAY COUNTRIES WIPE AWAY YOUR
TEARS; YOUR SONS ARE NOW LYING IN
OUR BOSOM AND ARE IN PEACE. AFTER
HAVING LOST THEIR LIVES ON THIS LAND
THEY HAVE BECOME OUR SONS AS WELL.'
KEMAL ATATURK
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Thats very nice,i like that.Very moving.

Rob
 
Eazy said:
I wouldn't say A Bridge Too Far was anti British. Yes it highlighted some errors and incompetence but it also showed a lot of courage and stiff upper lip resolve not to mention eccentricity that Brits are famous for!

It's my favourite war movie along with Where Eagles Dare.

I'm sure there are inaccuracies but show me a completely accurate war movie and i'll come to Oz and shake your hand :D
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Perhaps an "anti British" label is a bit over the top (old chap). However it is difficult to argue that the movie doesn't continue the myth that everything that went wrong with Market-Garden was somehow the cause of British planning, British soldiers or British equipment. When in fact some of the failures were the fault of the US, especially the captured plans (a US Officer) and the delay in actioning the whole operation (Eisenhower). "Where Eagles Dare" is a terrific movie, meanwhile back at the Gallipoli beaches.
 
OzDigger said:
Perhaps an "anti British" label is a bit over the top (old chap). However it is difficult to argue that the movie doesn't continue the myth that everything that went wrong with Market-Garden was somehow the cause of British planning, British soldiers or British equipment. When in fact some of the failures were the fault of the US, especially the captured plans (a US Officer) and the delay in actioning the whole operation (Eisenhower). "Where Eagles Dare" is a terrific movie, meanwhile back at the Gallipoli beaches.
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My dear british/commonwealth friends:

This is starting to sound like revisionist history here.

I think it is a bit of a strencth to blame the Americans for the falure of Operation Market Garden. I mean come on.

This was Monty's deal from begining to end - it was a "a bridge too far" for sure.

Ron
 
The British military regarded the Australians as a bit of a disposable commodity. Why do you think they were so happy to execute Breaker Morant for war crimes when so many other units especially the Canadians seemed to shoot their Boer prisoners with regular monotony and it was the British high command who instituted farm burning on such a wide scale. When Indian army troops saw Australian troops who behaved like "mates" not as a hierarchy they questioned their British officers about how come these "Sahibs" were so different. The answer was "Those are not Sahibs those are Australians"

Read Shoot straight you bastards for info about Breaker Morant and Laurences Book about the The history of the British Raj
 
To Andy at K&C. The story is you walk on water .I am starting to believe as you raise the dead with your toy soldiers.You have impressed me .You are honest & carry no bull/s**t.Regards Chris.
 
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Capitolron said:
My dear british/commonwealth friends:

This is starting to sound like revisionist history here.

I think it is a bit of a strencth to blame the Americans for the falure of Operation Market Garden. I mean come on.

This was Monty's deal from begining to end - it was a "a bridge too far" for sure.

Ron
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Did I say it was the fault of the Americans :confused: I'm not blaming the Americans for the failure of Market-Garden as it was a combined allied operation and the failure must be shared. Yes, Montgomery planned most of Market-Garden but he also planned most of the details of the D-Day invasion. Both were risky situations but Eisenhower was quick to claim most of the glory for D-Day whilst shifting most of the blame for the failure of Market-Garden onto Montgomery.

Continued revision of history is necesary to overcome past propaganda and incorrect interpretations.

Check this for starters Ron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market_Garden_order_of_battle
 
Although facts usually are well settled, sometimes facts do not get fully disclosed until many years after a particular event. In addition, long settled events are always subject to historical re-evaluation. That is the proper job of a historian, to look at a certain set of facts and perhaps come up with a different angle.
 
OzDigger said:
Did I say it was the fault of the Americans :confused: I'm not blaming the Americans for the failure of Market-Garden as it was a combined allied operation and the failure must be shared. Yes, Montgomery planned most of Market-Garden but he also planned most of the details of the D-Day invasion. Both were risky situations but Eisenhower was quick to claim most of the glory for D-Day whilst shifting most of the blame for the failure of Market-Garden onto Montgomery.

Continued revision of history is necesary to overcome past propaganda and incorrect interpretations.

Check this for starters Ron: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market_Garden_order_of_battle
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OZ

You and I will disagree on this one - this was Montgomery's Plan. Eisenhower had to play the politician all the time to keep all the egos from all the allies working together. So - Yes - Eisenhower as SHAPE Commander was superior to Montgomery - but to think anybody could tell Montgomery he was wrong is crazy. We had our egos too with Patton.

Not saying you believe this OZ - but, I get the sense that some of our British/Commonwealth Friends believe they won the war by themselves and us Americans were just along for the ride?

Ron
 
Capitolron said:
Not saying you believe this OZ - but, I get the sense that some of our British/Commonwealth Friends believe they won the war by themselves and us Americans were just along for the ride?

Ron
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Ron,

I'm interested as to what's been said that makes you think this. I've re-read this thread and can't find anything to suggest that there is that feeling from any Brit and or Commonwealth member.

I don't believe it and, not wishing to speak for anyone else, but, I'm pretty sure no one else does either.

Simon :confused:
 
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