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The Yankees won, and won big (10-1), but I have rarely seen a more poorly umpired game in my life. Tim McClellen, the third base umpire and crew chief blew two potentially huge calls, one for either team. Perhaps most disgracefully, he wasn't even looking at Nick Swisher when he tagged up, so not only did he blow the call, he clearly intended to do so as a make up call for the blown call by Dale Scott at second base on the pick off earlier in the inning. Tim McClellen should never be allowed to umpire another game at any level, he is that incompetent. Then you have Dale Scott. Swisher was so obviously out, it wasn't even close. And, despite the commentary by Tim McCarver, the worst announcer in baseball history, he also clearly blew the call on Gardiner stealing second. None of these calls had any effect on the outcome of the game, but they could have turned the whole game if it was close. Frankly, major league baseball better do something about these terrible umpires soon, or its going to join boxing and wrestling as bad jokes in the sports world.

Girardi sure has a quick learning curve. Last night we are ready to kill him for overmanaging the game, tonight (despite the fact he obviously wanted to make several moves - he kept running over to check his notebook everytime CC put a couple of guys on base after the 5th inning) he wisely sat on his hands and let Sabathia pitch.

I also think that Girardi has realized that Aceves, while fine in the regular season against an average lineup, just doesn't have the stuff to get big outs in the post-season. I think Gaudin has replaced him in the long reliever role, and you will not see Aceves again unless the game is a blow out either way.

By the way, the two guys I was most worried about in this post-season, A-Rod (5 homers, 11 RBI's, .407 batting average) and CC Sabathia (3-0, 1.11 era) have absolutely carried the Yankees. The only other player I was concerned about, A.J. Burnett, has pitched well in both his starts, both of which the Yankees won.

Finally, I hope Girardi realizes that Nick Swisher needs to be benched. He is both an offensive and defensive liability, and I hope Girardi has the sense to shift Melky to right and start Gardiner in center for the next game. Gardiner has as many hits (2) in 3 at bats as Swisher has in 18 this series. I think if you bring him in off the bench after he gets a wakeup call he might bare down and come out of this terrible slump (he is hitting .077 in the post season).
 
Louis I agree, that umpire was awful! Last year in the NFL one official cost

the chargers a game and I sent him an e-mail. He was an attorney and was

very nice. He knew he blew the call, and he responded personally to everyone

that sent him a note......and some were non to friendly.

Based on that I tend to give the officials the benefit of the doubt. Most if

not all are professional people that do this on the side, and I believe they give

it their best effort. It must really be difficult with all those cameras to point

out any mistake you make to thousands of angry fans!:eek:

Lets hope we can put LA away and get ready for a great series!
 
Louis Badolato said:
The Yankees won, and won big (10-1), but I have rarely seen a more poorly umpired game in my life. Tim McClellen, the third base umpire and crew chief blew two potentially huge calls, one for either team. Perhaps most disgracefully, he wasn't even looking at Nick Swisher when he tagged up, so not only did he blow the call, he clearly intended to do so as a make up call for the blown call by Dale Scott at second base on the pick off earlier in the inning. Tim McClellen should never be allowed to umpire another game at any level, he is that incompetent. Then you have Dale Scott. Swisher was so obviously out, it wasn't even close. And, despite the commentary by Tim McCarver, the worst announcer in baseball history, he also clearly blew the call on Gardiner stealing second. None of these calls had any effect on the outcome of the game, but they could have turned the whole game if it was close. Frankly, major league baseball better do something about these terrible umpires soon, or its going to join boxing and wrestling as bad jokes in the sports world.

Girardi sure has a quick learning curve. Last night we are ready to kill him for overmanaging the game, tonight (despite the fact he obviously wanted to make several moves - he kept running over to check his notebook everytime CC put a couple of guys on base after the 5th inning) he wisely sat on his hands and let Sabathia pitch.

I also think that Girardi has realized that Aceves, while fine in the regular season against an average lineup, just doesn't have the stuff to get big outs in the post-season. I think Gaudin has replaced him in the long reliever role, and you will not see Aceves again unless the game is a blow out either way.

By the way, the two guys I was most worried about in this post-season, A-Rod (5 homers, 11 RBI's, .407 batting average) and CC Sabathia (3-0, 1.11 era) have absolutely carried the Yankees. The only other player I was concerned about, A.J. Burnett, has pitched well in both his starts, both of which the Yankees won.

Finally, I hope Girardi realizes that Nick Swisher needs to be benched. He is both an offensive and defensive liability, and I hope Girardi has the sense to shift Melky to right and start Gardiner in center for the next game. Gardiner has as many hits (2) in 3 at bats as Swisher has in 18 this series. I think if you bring him in off the bench after he gets a wakeup call he might bare down and come out of this terrible slump (he is hitting .077 in the post season).
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I am very concerned about what is going on in the mind of Posada..Talk about sleepwalking through a game. Thank heavens for his setup hits, but his "head being in the game " has to be disconcerting to management. At least, he will have the next game to sit and think about it, because of the A.J. and Molina relationship..Michael
 
Have to agree with the previous posts about the umpiring. It was absolutely the worst called game I have seen. One blown call after another, and as pointed out, none were close enough to blow. I watch the games on mute, because McCarver drives me s***-simple. I saw each blown play without benefit of McCarver analysis, and boy, the second base ump and especially that third base ump should be tarred and feathered. That play at third, where the 2 players both were caught off the bag, is basic baseball 101. Every kid knows off the bag = out. The catcher made a great play, 2 outs, the runners made stupid plays and are rewarded by incompetent umpiring. Thank goodness none of the blown calls made a real difference. A-Rod continues to his MVP that he will have to share with CC. Even with 10 runs, the NYY blew some earlier scoring chances, something I think they should solve for future well-being. Finally, kudos to Girardi for his restraint with the bullpen. Go NYY! -- lancer
 
I think the problem with the umpiring is that, due to their collective bargaining agreement, they are not chosen on merit, as before, so you get some mediorcre umpiring. If the playoffs are the showcase for some of the best players in the game, why isn't it a showcase for some of the best umpires. I know that in other sports like soccer, when you get to this level only the best are chosen.
 
Did you see McClellan's interview after the game? He said that despite the replay, which shows (a) he was wrong about Swisher leaving early and (b) he was not even looking at Swisher when he left the base, he "knows in [his] heart [he] was right."

The problem with baseball, is that the umpires care only about not being shown up, not about getting the call right. You can't tell me that every other umpire on that field didn't know that McClellan blew the call on the Posada/Cano debacle at third base, but when Sciocia came out to argue the call, and asked him to get help, he wouldn't do it.

As a baseball fan, I can recall back in the mid-1980's, Kansas City was playing the Cardinals in the World Series, and in the 9th inning of game 6, the first base umpire blew a call on a player that was out, and would have been the third out that ended the series, but called the player safe, permitting the Cardinals to win the game, and eventually win the series. The guy was out by around 3 feet. That umpire was never allowed to ump another major league game.

In my opinion, in the post season if the umpire blows an obvious call, and the manager asks him to ask for help and he won't ask for held or correct the call, that umpire should be banned from ever umpiring another post-season game. Further, there should be a set number of blown calls an umpire is allowed each season. If that umpire blows more than the maximum amount, he should be demoted to the minor leagues and not allowed back to the big leagues for a season or two. Also, like in every other sport, the umpires should huddle if a call is being argued, and try to get the call right. If they refuse to confer on a bad call, the whole crew should be credited with the bad call.

Something has to be done. Bad officiating has cost the Tigers the one game playoff, cost the Twins a game against the Yankees, cost the Rockies a game against the Phillies, and could have changed the outcome of two Yankees Angels games, but fortunately did not. That's way to many games turned or potentially turned by poor officiating. But Bud Selig, the idiot commissioner of baseball (the worst commissioner of any major sport ever) won't do anything, just like he didn't do anything about steroids until he was dragged kicking and screaming to congress.
 
maddadicus said:

I am very concerned about what is going on in the mind of Posada..Talk about sleepwalking through a game. Thank heavens for his setup hits, but his "head being in the game " has to be disconcerting to management. At least, he will have the next game to sit and think about it, because of the A.J. and Molina relationship..Michael
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As much as I like what Posada had done this post season up to last night (and accordingly, I will continue to support him) I have to agree that he made a bunch of mental errors last night. Getting deeked and not scoring from second on a double off the wall was terrible, going back to third and risking getting 2 outs rather than just one was bad, but the worst was he, as the catcher, not knowing how many outs there were when the Yankees turned the double play in the 7th. If A-Rod hadn't realized what was happening and sprinted home when Posada trotted off the filed thinking there were three outs (a great heads up play by A-Rod, who deserves tons of credit just like Jeter gets when he makes a heads up defensive move) the Angels would have scored a freebee run which would have made it a 5-2 game with the inning still going.
 
All good points, Louis. Selig is a disaster. There is no excuse for an umpiring crew not to get together to discuss a disputed call, especially in the face of players or managers questioning the call (obviously, not balls-strikes). Can you imagine what Billy Martin or Earl Weaver would have done in the face of so many blown calls? Answer- nothing. They would have been tossed or died of heart attacks after the first bad call. A disgraceful game for the umpire crew. -- Al
 
lancer said:
All good points, Louis. Selig is a disaster. There is no excuse for an umpiring crew not to get together to discuss a disputed call, especially in the face of players or managers questioning the call (obviously, not balls-strikes). Can you imagine what Billy Martin or Earl Weaver would have done in the face of so many blown calls? Answer- nothing. They would have been tossed or died of heart attacks after the first bad call. A disgraceful game for the umpire crew. -- Al
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By he way, McClelland has been down this road before. Among other things, he was there for the George Brett pine-tar incident in 1983, and the Matt Holliday safe (though replays would suggest otherwise) slide into home for the winning run in the Rockies' 2007 tiebreaker against the Padres. Its so funny how afraid of the umpires the players are. Despite all of these incredible, game changing bad calls, every player I saw interviewed said that McClelland was one of the best umpires. If this guy is the best, I would hate to see the worst.
 
Hi Louis,

I totally agree that the ump blew the call and it made a difference to the Angels. That combined with the play on third with Posada and Cano the Angels should have been asking how much it would cost to get him to call in sick for the up coming game. If the commisioner had any sense he would make a few of the obviously too long in the tooth and short on eye sight umps go back to the locker room and retire. The whole "I know in my heart I was right" line was a crock of S*** and everyone knows it if he had any integrity he would have said sorry I blew the call and take him self out of the line up for the next game.

Should be interesting to see how Anaheim reacts in the next game. Does anyone think the Dodgers will wake up?

Dave
 
Did you read about what that fool Manny did? While the Dodgers were losing, he was taking a shower. Joe came to his defense by saying he had been taken out of the game for defense so it was not a big deal.

Reminded me of what Rickey and someone else did (playing cards in the clubhouse) when the Mets were battling the Braves in 1999.

These guys are amazing :eek:
 
jazzeum said:
Joe came to his defense by saying he had been taken out of the game for defense so it was not a big deal.
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Oh great, thanks for pointing that out, now the "Joe Torre" bashing will start again.

Thanks.
 
I,m just getting in on the tail end of this umpireing post, but let me add this comment. When I was on the St Louis Police Department I walked a beat downtown near the stadium. A lot of umpires would frequent 2 places that were on my beat and I was in them quite a lot. my take on most of them is there egos are huge. They seem to think that fans go to the games to see them!
And louis, you got that call wrong on the Cards and KC. The call by Don Denkinger went against the Cards and KC came on to win the series.
That call by Denkinger is to Cards fans what Buckner did for the RedSox or Mckey Owens third strike passed ball for the Dodgers.
I will say Matt Holidays 9th inning dropped fly ball now has a place in Cards history.
Gary
 
Managing is an overrated skill. Sometimes players make plays and sometimes they don't. When one team has players making more money than the entire payroll of competing teams the whole concept of managing becomes a joke.
 
Combat said:
Managing is an overrated skill. Sometimes players make plays and sometimes they don't. When one team has players making more money than the entire payroll of competing teams the whole concept of managing becomes a joke.
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I was reading a couple of articles online today and Roy Halladay said he wants to pitch for two teams, either the Mets or the Yankees.

Also, word out of St Louis is Pujols is not interested in signing an extention beyond 2009 and the front runners to land him are, you guessed it, the Yankees.

A rotation of CC, Burnett, Halladay,Chamberlain and Pettite/Wang/fill in the blank and a lineup with Pujhols in left and/or DH; might as well DOUBLE crown the Yankees after they beat the Phillies and cancel the 2010 season.

At some point, it really becomes a joke the way the Yankees conduct business; they are the Walmart of MLB and all the other teams are a mom and pop store in downtown Anytown USA that goes under as a result of Walmart setting up shop a mile outside of town.

No wonder why baseball is considered a joke of a sport and that fleabrain Selig is the king of court jesters.
 
Aw, c'mon George, give me a break. I'm no Yankee fan but they are playing by the rules. What should they do? Not sign players. The Yankees are where they are because of smart management and I'm not talking about the players. The Yankee organization is well managed. They started their own network, which brought them loads of cash, which helped them make more money.

Playerwise, they made good moves this year that have worked out. Look at my team, the Mets. They have one of the highest payrolls also and their own network but did they make good moves? Not exactly. Red Sox are not exactly poor either.

Does Pujols make sense for the Yankees. They already have a good player at that position.

I agree that the rules are messed up so change the rules.
 
In the NFL, there is a salary cap. Teams in nearly ever city can expect that at some point they will have a good team. Some teams have terrible management, but that can't be helped. This has kept national interest in football at a high level.

In baseball, there is no cap. A very few teams are able to snag the majority of the good players. The smaller market teams may have a good run here or there, but the deck is stacked against them. I see fewer people interested in baseball, expecially from towns that are out of the running (and have been for years).
 
gk5717 said:
I,m just getting in on the tail end of this umpireing post, but let me add this comment. When I was on the St Louis Police Department I walked a beat downtown near the stadium. A lot of umpires would frequent 2 places that were on my beat and I was in them quite a lot. my take on most of them is there egos are huge. They seem to think that fans go to the games to see them!
And louis, you got that call wrong on the Cards and KC. The call by Don Denkinger went against the Cards and KC came on to win the series.
That call by Denkinger is to Cards fans what Buckner did for the RedSox or Mckey Owens third strike passed ball for the Dodgers.
I will say Matt Holidays 9th inning dropped fly ball now has a place in Cards history.
Gary
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Sorry Gary, mixed it up in my memory. No offense, but I was not a fan of either team, so I really didn't focus on who was who, just on the fact that the umpire screwed it all up.
 
30 teams in MLB. 5 of the 8 playoff teams had payrolls among the top 9 in the league. All four teams in the second round are among the top 9 payrolls. MLB needs winners in NY, Boston, LA for the TV markets which supply the money. So this is a result they want - like the large number of steroid produced home runs. Good for ratings = money. They will not change the system.


1. New York Yankees $201,449,289
2. New York Mets $135,773,988
3. Chicago Cubs $135,050,000
4. Boston Red Sox $122,696,000
5. Detroit Tigers $115,085,145
6. Los Angeles Angels $113,709,000
7. Philadelphia Phillies $113,004,048
8. Houston Astros $102,996,415
9. Los Angeles Dodgers $100,458,101
 
Warrior said:
I was reading a couple of articles online today and Roy Halladay said he wants to pitch for two teams, either the Mets or the Yankees.

Also, word out of St Louis is Pujols is not interested in signing an extention beyond 2009 and the front runners to land him are, you guessed it, the Yankees.

A rotation of CC, Burnett, Halladay,Chamberlain and Pettite/Wang/fill in the blank and a lineup with Pujhols in left and/or DH; might as well DOUBLE crown the Yankees after they beat the Phillies and cancel the 2010 season.

At some point, it really becomes a joke the way the Yankees conduct business; they are the Walmart of MLB and all the other teams are a mom and pop store in downtown Anytown USA that goes under as a result of Walmart setting up shop a mile outside of town.

No wonder why baseball is considered a joke of a sport and that fleabrain Selig is the king of court jesters.
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Don't worry George, if the Yanks win it all with this lineup, they are not likely to sign Halladay or Pujols. They only tend to make big free agent splashes when they don't win the title.

They might make a run at top center fielder or your left fielder (Bay) and let Damon go, and they will sign a good 3 or 4 starter, but assuming Wang is healthy, they are set at 1 (CC) 2 (Wang) and 3 (Burnett), and just need to worry about 4 (Pettitte?) and 5.
 
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