How many of you guys getting the Hurricane (4 Viewers)

[Rob]

Thanks Rob ill definitely be paying a visit to the london one in the near future & when ive got a spare few days i might check out the others

Cheers Craig

You're very welcome mate

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

Yes he did list production figures but also pointed out which ones were sold out at dealers and which ones were still available from dealers. Most of the Hurricanes and Spitfires are sold out. Most of the Me109s and Mustangs are not. I don't know how often the sold out ones show up on e-bay or how well they sell?

Terry

Quite so Terry I was only addressing production and current dealer availability, which is some indication of scarcity and sales. Hartman and Barkhorn may change hands a lot on Ebay but they are both readily available at Dealers. The Spitfires and others I mentioned are not. This is true even though the 109 issues were smaller, ranging from 1500 to 2800. Of these, only the 1500 issue Hackl 109G is difficult to find

Ebay is an odd place; sometimes you see rare items, other times not. At this moment there is only one Corgi 1/32 Spitfire offered, and it is the one of the 4000 issue ones with missing parts. There are a few Hurricanes, 3 of the unlimited edition, a Park and a Seafire (at full retail) and a larger number of Mustangs and 109s. While not mentioned before, the Mossies did well also and are sold out at dealers and do not often appear on Ebay even though they choose the bomber versions and one was not limited and one of the others had a 4000 issue.

I don’t think Corgi’s withdrawal from the 1/32 market had anything to do with its choice of aircraft nationalities or aces. Its choice of models was a bit odd, choosing no opponent for the BoB Spitfire and Hurricane and only the P51D for the 109G. The word at the time was that it was having trouble with quality control and production at that price point and it fact it did make some rather remarkable mistakes in a couple of the aircraft. While I love the detail of their Spitfires and have a couple, they amazingly left out the wing dihedral for this iconic aircraft. Still it sold out.

 

[Spitfrnd]

In my experience, it takes quite sometime for those who have been bombed as civilians, and their relatives, to forgive those who bombed them. Notable examples include the British and Germans, French and Germans, Germans and Americans, Japanese and Americans, Chinese and Japanese, Arabs and Israelis, Vietnamese and Americans; you get the picture. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, just that the results will be rather constained.

 

[Rob]

In my experience, it takes quite sometime for those who have been bombed as civilians, and their relatives, to forgive those who bombed them. Notable examples include the British and Germans, French and Germans, Germans and Americans, Japanese and Americans, Chinese and Japanese, Arabs and Israelis, Vietnamese and Americans; you get the picture. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, just that the results will be rather constained.

Bill,my family was Bombed out during the Blitz,but i'm darn sure if my mum can forgive then i can.I have no grudge at all against the German people,it would be absurd if i did.No my main concern is that there are people out there who,possibly in all innocence,forget just who we are talking about here and who they represented.

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

I completely understand Rob but my only point was that targeting civilians does not make for comfortable future relations. Just consider our North and South. Good for your mom though, it is never right to blame a country for its individuals.

 

[Rob]

I completely understand Rob but my only point was that targeting civilians does not make for comfortable future relations. Just consider our North and South. Good for your mom though, it is never right to blame a country for its individuals.

Thanks Bill,you are quite right of course and all bombing of civilians in WW2 is a terrible thing and should be avoided at all costs.My mum and her family suffered great hardship because of the bombing but so did millions of others across the world,we can only hope that we learn how futile it is to kill civilians in their homes.

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

Thanks Bill,you are quite right of course and all bombing of civilians in WW2 is a terrible thing and should be avoided at all costs.My mum and her family suffered great hardship because of the bombing but so did millions of others across the world,we can only hope that we learn how futile it is to kill civilians in their homes.

Rob

Yes that is a good hope and we (world wide) have gotten somewhat better about it but besides our recent and current collateral damage issues I still remember the "acceptable city loss" numbers recited by cold war military planners. In fact, it was once my job to be prepared to test those statistics. Oh well, perhaps the Nuclear balance of terror actually worked.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The word at the time was that it was having trouble with quality control and production at that price point and it fact it did make some rather remarkable mistakes in a couple of the aircraft. While I love the detail of their Spitfires and have a couple, they amazingly left out the wing dihedral for this iconic aircraft. Still it sold out.

You are right I went a looked at my Bader Spitfire. I had thought the wings looked a bit odd, but it never dawned on me why Now I know.

The only other Corgi :32 I have out is Barkhorns Me109 and it is ok for wing dihedral.

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

Quite so Terry I was only addressing production and current dealer availability, which is some indication of scarcity and sales. Hartman and Barkhorn may change hands a lot on Ebay but they are both readily available at Dealers. The Spitfires and others I mentioned are not. This is true even though the 109 issues were smaller, ranging from 1500 to 2800. Of these, only the 1500 issue Hackl 109G is difficult to find

Ebay is an odd place; sometimes you see rare items, other times not. At this moment there is only one Corgi 1/32 Spitfire offered, and it is the one of the 4000 issue ones with missing parts. There are a few Hurricanes, 3 of the unlimited edition, a Park and a Seafire (at full retail) and a larger number of Mustangs and 109s. While not mentioned before, the Mossies did well also and are sold out at dealers and do not often appear on Ebay even though they choose the bomber versions and one was not limited and one of the others had a 4000 issue.

I don’t think Corgi’s withdrawal from the 1/32 market had anything to do with its choice of aircraft nationalities or aces. Its choice of models was a bit odd, choosing no opponent for the BoB Spitfire and Hurricane and only the P51D for the 109G. The word at the time was that it was having trouble with quality control and production at that price point and it fact it did make some rather remarkable mistakes in a couple of the aircraft. While I love the detail of their Spitfires and have a couple, they amazingly left out the wing dihedral for this iconic aircraft. Still it sold out.

Bill, are you talking about dealers in the US or Worldwide?

There are no Hartmanns or Barkhorns in Australia and the only ones I have seen listed on online stores OS are priced high, maybe that's why they haven't sold those particular ones.

Btw, I understand that production ceased prematurely on some of the later molds of the Spits and Hurricanes which made them more attractive to collectors as they did not achieve the listed production numbers.

As for 'Not Limited' models, they are actually limited in number, Corgi just don't say how many they made. Most collectors pay more attention to what particular aircraft it is rather than how many Corgi made. For example the 'Not Limited' S-Sugar Lancaster (AA32601) achieves big dollars on eBay because many collectors want a model of that plane.

 

[OzDigger]

Not to discount that but it rather helps that the Spitfire was the most beautiful fighter aircraft of the war and through its successive engine and weapon upgrades, the best dogfighter throughout the war. No other aircraft can lay claim to that. A P-51 can do it over Berlin but not what a Spitfire can do.

The Spitfire is certainly attractive. However, assuming equal pilot abilities, the Zero was the BEST dog-fighter in WWII.

Allied fighter pilots (including those in Spitfires) were advised to use a surprise diving attack against Zeros rather than take on the Zero in a dog-fight as it was just too agile.

 

[Rob]

Guys,how cool is the Hurricane,Spitfire and Typhoon going to look lined up on your own particular Airfield?.The same goes with the FW190/ME 109 and Stuka.With all the extras Andy is promising,this is going to be such a good range i know it.

Rob

 

[Eazy]

The big problem with all these forthcoming planes is going to be space.
I seriously have no idea how i would display them.
I'd really like the Hurricane and Spitfire and Typhoon but beyond that i would end up with no space for anymore.

 

[Rob]

The big problem with all these forthcoming planes is going to be space.
I seriously have no idea how i would display them.
I'd really like the Hurricane and Spitfire and Typhoon but beyond that i would end up with no space for anymore.

Heres your answer mate,what you do is you have an airfield scene thats either RAF or Luftwaffe,then you have the other side hanging form the ceiling attacking the Airfield.No extra space needed and problem solved!.

Rob

 

[debrito]

Heres your answer mate,what you do is you have an airfield scene thats either RAF or Luftwaffe,then you have the other side hanging form the ceiling attacking the Airfield.No extra space needed and problem solved!.

Rob

Excellent idea Rod. Long time ago I fixed this same kind of problem by hang all the Planes in my baseman ceiling.

 

[Rob]

Excellent idea Rod. Long time ago I fixed this same kind of problem by hang all the Planes in my baseman ceiling.

Sounds good Rod,how many do you have down there?

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

I think it's one thing to hang a diecast plane from the ceiling but I would be leery of hanging a polystone from the ceiling or anywhere without proper support. I certainly wouldn't do it with wood.

 

[Rob]

Yes thats a good point,it would have to be pretty secure.In the old days we hung our Airfix planes with cotton and drawing pins,it ain't going to do the job with K&C planes!

Rob

 

[Rob]

The Spitfire is certainly attractive. However, assuming equal pilot abilities, the Zero was the BEST dog-fighter in WWII.

Allied fighter pilots (including those in Spitfires) were advised to use a surprise diving attack against Zeros rather than take on the Zero in a dog-fight as it was just too agile.

Yes it was a superb aircraft wasn't it.But am i right in thinking that by War's end they were in turn outclassed by US fighters?.I'm happy to be totally wrong on this but i'm sure i read that somewhere.

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

Rob,

I just don't know how strong polystone is. Maybe there are some experts out there that do. One thing that I would like and K & C did with the first polystone planes is have a stand. I don't know if they plan on doing that here. Stands buy you a little space.

 

[debrito]

Sounds good Rod,how many do you have down there?

Rob

2 Merchesmith, and 1 Folke, but it was a long time ago from my old Berlin Dio, now i have none...