Don't worry,its not an 'I want' poll! (1 Viewer)

[Rob]

I am considering doing a D Day dio using the two differently numbered K&C LCA's.I have sand from the beaches in Normandy,what I'd like to ask you guys is if you think its ok to use it in a beach dio.Do you see it as a tribute or do you think its in bad taste and I shouldn't do it.I'm having trouble making my mind up.

Your votes and opinions would be much appreciated in this 'Moral Poll'.

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I am hoping to get some Juno Beach sand for my Canadian dio.

Terry

 

[Rob]

I am hoping to get some Juno Beach sand for my Canadian dio.

Terry

I'll get you some on my return there next year Terry.

Rob

 

[nasirkasmani]

i think its a terrific gesture.
lets just say if i can get some soil from the renamed city of Volgograd, i'll use it for my First Legion Stalingrad display.

 

[The Templar]

I don´t like it!

Don´t think it will ad anything at all to a diorama.

Just think about how many soldiers lost their lives there. Let it rest and show some respect!

What´s next - bricks from Rome, pieces from Akropolis, stones from Acre.

Let history be history!

 

[wayne556517]

I would'nt for the simple fact that its messy,the Build-a-rama mats looked awesome at Chicago.BUT i would have some sand displayed with the dio in say a glass cylinder or something as a seperate display get what im trying to say.My personnel opinion is i dont think its in bad taste.

 

[Gazza]

I believe that it is hallowed ground; I think that guys spilt their guts on those beaches for us and using it in a display is inappropriate.

BUT... (and it's a big, but), those guys who died, did so for freedom and so Rob if you want to use the sand, then you should. It is a matter of personal choice.

I think that if my relatives fought there I would be more inclined to use it. (They were in Italy and the SE Asia).

No right or wrong answer on this one.

Gazza

 

[Rob]

i think its a terrific gesture.
lets just say if i can get some soil from the renamed city of Volgograd, i'll use it for my First Legion Stalingrad display.

I don´t like it!

Don´t think it will ad anything at all to a diorama.

Just think about how many soldiers lost their lives there. Let it rest and show some respect!

What´s next - bricks from Rome, pieces from Akropolis, stones from Acre.

Let history be history!

I would'nt for the simple fact that its messy,the Build-a-rama mats looked awesome at Chicago.BUT i would have some sand displayed with the dio in say a glass cylinder or something as a seperate display get what im trying to say.My personnel opinion is i dont think its in bad taste.

I believe that it is hallowed ground; I think that guys spilt their guts on those beaches for us and using it in a display is inappropriate.

BUT... (and it's a big, but), those guys who died, did so for freedom and so Rob if you want to use the sand, then you should. It is a matter of personal choice.

I think that if my relatives fought there I would be more inclined to use it. (They were in Italy and the SE Asia).

No right or wrong answer on this one.

Gazza

Guys I really appreciate your thoughts.The whole point of my dio will be as by way of a small personal tribute to that wonderful generation who did so much for our freedom.So there is no way I would want to offend anyone,as Gazza said there may not be a right or wrong here and its a difficult call.

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

On a philosophical note, the grains of sand on Juno beach 65 years ago are not the same grains of sand there today. Beach erosion and formation and hundreds of tides have stirred things up. Sand from Juno taken today only represents a time and place that no longer exists, and today's sand grains are merely a tribute to the men of 65 years ago and their sacrifices. It's not the sand that our soldiers spilled their guts on and it is not comparable to a brick from rome or a piece of the acropolis which are actual relics.

Terry

 

[Rob]

On a philosophical note, the grains of sand on Juno beach 65 years ago are not the same grains of sand there today. Beach erosion and formation and hundreds of tides have stirred things up. Sand from Juno taken today only represents a time and place that no longer exis, and today's sand grains are merely a tribute to the men of 65 years ago and their sacrifices.

Terry

Very good point.

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Very good point.

Rob

I added some. you were too quick

Terry

 

[wwiibuff]

On a philosophical note, the grains of sand on Juno beach 65 years ago are not the same grains of sand there today. Beach erosion and formation and hundreds of tides have stirred things up. Sand from Juno taken today only represents a time and place that no longer exists, and today's sand grains are merely a tribute to the men of 65 years ago and their sacrifices. It's not the sand that our soldiers spilled their guts on and it is not comparable to a brick from rome or a piece of the acropolis which are actual relics.

Terry

Rob,

I agree with you on this and it's my opinion that your tribute is appropriate.

Duke

 

[thebritfarmer]

Morally I would have to go along with Terry & Duke on this Rob.

However I wouldn't use it as Wayne said it is messy unless you glue it down, the sand gets everywhere.

 

[binder001]

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I'm no geologist, but with the shifting waves and constant relentless movement of the ocean the sand you get from Normandy probably isn't the REAL sand anyone actually fell or died on 65 years ago. Besides, as I understand it a lot of the beaches that made up Omaha were actually shingle (pebbles) covered. The US Army engineers dozed and scooped up a bunch of the beach shingle to use in road construction and repair in 1944. Omaha was not preserved as any kind of monument, it was a working supply port with trucks, dozers, construction crews, etc reshaping the land and beach. So the location is special, the actual beach from June 6, 1944 likely isn't really there.

Gary B.

 

[Rob]

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I'm no geologist, but with the shifting waves and constant relentless movement of the ocean the sand you get from Normandy probably isn't the REAL sand anyone actually fell or died on 65 years ago. Besides, as I understand it a lot of the beaches that made up Omaha were actually shingle (pebbles) covered. The US Army engineers dozed and scooped up a bunch of the beach shingle to use in road construction and repair in 1944. Omaha was not preserved as any kind of monument, it was a working supply port with trucks, dozers, construction crews, etc reshaping the land and beach. So the location is special, the actual beach from June 6, 1944 likely isn't really there.

Gary B.

Thank you Gary,much appreciated

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

I don't think it's a bad idea at all. I'm no geologist, but with the shifting waves and constant relentless movement of the ocean the sand you get from Normandy probably isn't the REAL sand anyone actually fell or died on 65 years ago. Besides, as I understand it a lot of the beaches that made up Omaha were actually shingle (pebbles) covered. The US Army engineers dozed and scooped up a bunch of the beach shingle to use in road construction and repair in 1944. Omaha was not preserved as any kind of monument, it was a working supply port with trucks, dozers, construction crews, etc reshaping the land and beach. So the location is special, the actual beach from June 6, 1944 likely isn't really there.

Gary B.

My wife was a geologist and you are quite right Gary. If you had all the data on tides, storms, currents etc you might be able to come close to estimating where that original sand is now but there would still be a pretty fair margin of error. Nonetheless it is from the same place where those events took place so I certainly can appreciate the symbolism of the tribute and it is absolutely not disturbing anything sacred, like bricks or even trees; you should not be deterred Rob. Just remember the closing scenes in "A Cruel Sea" or have a walk along the ocean and you will get the idea.

 

[Rob]

My wife was a geologist and you are quite right Gary. If you had all the data on tides, storms, currents etc you might be able to come close to estimating where that original sand is now but there would still be a pretty fair margin of error. Nonetheless it is from the same place where those events took place so I certainly can appreciate the symbolism of the tribute and it is absolutely not disturbing anything sacred, like bricks or even trees; you should not be deterred Rob. Just remember the closing scenes in "A Cruel Sea" or have a walk along the ocean and you will get the idea.

Thanks Bill.You see the whole idea is that its a tribute,its just good to get the views of my friends and experts I respect on here.Also during the D Day anniversary I saw interviews with veterans who said they had no problem with people taking sand away as a memento.I'm grateful for all comments both for and against.

Rob

 

[Cornwallis]

Rob, just my two pennies worth, you are using it in terms of a tribute not in any sort of negative sense, I think you could use it with a clear conscience.

 

[Rob]

Rob, just my two pennies worth, you are using it in terms of a tribute not in any sort of negative sense, I think you could use it with a clear conscience.

Thank you

Rob

 

[G.I. Joe]

Rob, you are an intelligent individual and I for one can say you can use it. Be Creative, I mean your not going to go over there and scoop up all the sand there is. Your also honoring the lives of the soldiers by teaching people about what they did in the war and the sacrifice they made through a diorama.


But then again as George S. Patton once said -"Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity."