K&C's Focke Wolfe wrong type? (1 Viewer)

[wwiibuff]

Although a highly debatable topic, I think the P-51 would win most polls as the best all around fighter of WWII. With it's range, speed, firepower, etc. it proved too much for the 109's and 190's. Especially the D model with the bubble canopy had excellent visibility. I think it's safe to say that the introduction of the P-51 was the end of the Luftwaffe.

 

[6th Wisconsin]

Although a highly debatable topic, I think the P-51 would win most polls as the best all around fighter of WWII. With it's range, speed, firepower, etc. it proved too much for the 109's and 190's. Especially the D model with the bubble canopy had excellent visibility. I think it's safe to say that the introduction of the P-51 was the end of the Luftwaffe.

Yes, but the Luftwaffe may be the end of me. I just pre-ordered the new landing craft and the 190. I have to start selling off some stuff, or my wife may use her range, speed, and firepower on me.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Although a highly debatable topic, I think the P-51 would win most polls as the best all around fighter of WWII. With it's range, speed, firepower, etc. it proved too much for the 109's and 190's. Especially the D model with the bubble canopy had excellent visibility. I think it's safe to say that the introduction of the P-51 was the end of the Luftwaffe.

Actually I think it is more accurate to say that daylight bombing and the relative industrial superiority of the US was the end of the Luftwaffe. The resulting shortages in critical items and vast allied superiority in aircraft numbers made it only a matter of time.

No question the P-51D is the darling of amateur WWII affectionados and indeed perhaps the most versatile fighter of the war. There were better air to ground fighters, like the P-47D and Typhoon, better pure air to air fighters, like the Spitfire Marks 9 and 14 but the P-51 C Malcolm Hood and D were the best escort fighters and best all around. That is the reason the P-51D, with some improvements, was still in service in Korea.

 

[IXEC]

Okay....first I love the K&C plane series I have them all with some even signed by Andy himself ( thanks )

I'm really looking foward to a Butcher Bird...but this can be a true K&C classic with some simple 'adjusting', maybe....

The K&C Fw's tail wheel is in the 'retracted' position....this gives the plane the wrong rake (stance)....really....please a simple fix.

The tail should have the antenna as seen in any Fw from models A-4 on...

The armorment on the K&C's version is strange... other than some issues already mentioned by members here, it has outboard 30mm cannon wing blisters. which means the wings are from the A-8/R2 version.

There are lots more 'wrong' issues going on here and there are some very nice details also.......I really want a 1/30 Butcher Bird....

Is it possible to delay the release to make some simple corrections...

I for one wouldn't mind waiting for this amazing K&C Fw-190 in 1/30

 

[wwiibuff]

Actually I think it is more accurate to say that daylight bombing and the relative industrial superiority of the US was the end of the Luftwaffe. The resulting shortages in critical items and vast allied superiority in aircraft numbers made it only a matter of time.

No question the P-51D is the darling of amateur WWII affectionados and indeed perhaps the most versatile fighter of the war. There were better air to ground fighters, like the P-47D and Typhoon, better pure air to air fighters, like the Spitfire Marks 9 and 14 but the P-51 C Malcolm Hood and D were the best escort fighters and best all around. That is the reason the P-51D, with some improvements, was still in service in Korea.

I agree. I should have been more specific about the P-51's contribution. Many will say that it was the best air to air fighter, but there's no question that when the P-51 was fitted with the Rolls Royce Merlin engine instead of the Allison, and could escort the B-17's and B-24's all the way to target and back, that was the last piece of the puzzle missing from total air superiority for the Allies and in this case made the P-51 the last straw in breaking the back of the Luftwaffe.

 

[IXEC]

Gentlemen....are we going a little off topic....

 

[wwiibuff]

Gentlemen....are we going a little off topic....

Actually you are quite right. Sorry about that. Back to the Focke Wolfe.

It is a nice looking model though even if it does have a few errors.

 

[jbonzo1]

I'm still getting one.
Bill, what about the Me-262?

 

[wayne556517]

Unbelievable if you dont like it dont buy the FOCKE......................
Sorry couldnt help myself.........................................................

 

[Eazy]

Thsi is an interesting topic. Opinion seems split on this one with some demanding accuracy and others just happy that it looks cool.

Personally I dont see myself able to afford this so I shouldnt really comment but just to pose a question do you think for the amount of money we invest in our collections we should demand accuracy AND coolness?

 

[Combat]

There are lots more 'wrong' issues going on here and there are some very nice details also.......I really want a 1/30 Butcher Bird....

Is it possible to delay the release to make some simple corrections...

I for one wouldn't mind waiting for this amazing K&C Fw-190 in 1/30

I wouldn't hold your breath. Check the discussions regarding the Rammjager, Heydrich car, WWI armored car, Hitler's map in English from a WWI battle, AK Tiger and others that contain even more obvious errors. The response, if any, is "don't buy it if you don't like it."

 

[Rob]

Now you've said it James!.

Accuracy and coolness are both very attractive,I think this plane looks superb and for me the aircraft is the thing.As I've said before,we all have every right to raise whatever points and not to buy it if we don't want to.But for me there comes a point where nitpicking to the enth degree starts to take the fun out of collecting,this plane looks so good to me that I think it would be self defeating not to get it because of Historical questions raised here,each to their own of course but I really enjoy my collecting and this looks a great release.


Rob

 

[lancer]

I want that FW190 bad. I'm something of a rivet counter so the inaccuracies might both me a bit but they will not stop me from trying to get this very wonderful looking model. It is just too good to pass up. Now if KC was to do Marseille's BF109 in Afrika and give it a red nose or slap a #15 on the side, I might think twice, but the FW is pretty close and I want it. -- Al

 

[Spitfrnd]

Gentlemen....are we going a little off topic....

I don't think it is so far off; the FW is a model of a WWII fighter that had certain characteristics, which we have discussed in response to your original observation. One of those, as noted by Rob, was its obvious comparison to the P-51, one of its main adversaries. If it is not appropriate to discuss the history related to a release, what is appropriate? It is fine to note our interests in something but there is more to any release than whether we are going to buy it; at least I hope that's true. Now ignoring its history would indeed be unbelievable.

 

[Rob]

I don't think it is so far off; the FW is a model of a WWII fighter that had certain characteristics, which we have discussed in response to your original observation. One of those, as noted by Rob, was its obvious comparison to the P-51, one of its main adversaries. If it is not appropriate to discuss the history related to a release, what is appropriate? It is fine to note our interests in something but there is more to any release than whether we are going to buy it; at least I hope that's true. Now ignoring its history would indeed be unbelievable.

Hey Bill,if the gentlemen of the forum will forgive me one more question of you

So if you had to pick a pure fighter to fighter fighter plane,would you pick the Spitfire Mk9 over both the FW and the P51?.

Sorry guys,not trying to drift thread.

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

Hey Bill,if the gentlemen of the forum will forgive me one more question of you

So if you had to pick a pure fighter to fighter fighter plane,would you pick the Spitfire Mk9 over both the FW and the P51?.

Sorry guys,not trying to drift thread.

Rob

It seems you're trying to get me hung for thread wondering mate. I think the results show pretty conclusively that the FW190 was the king of the roost UNTIL the Mark IX was rushed into service. No question the Mark IX restored the edge to the RAF and as a pure fighter, the Mark IX was to me the pinnacle of the war. That said, if I had to fight a FW-190D, I would opt for the better climbing and faster Mark XIV, which had the war's best combination of muscle and maneuverability. So basically, I would agree with the conclusions of the February 1947 Air Ministry report of Air Fighting Tactics Used by Spitfires in Western Europe which noted in part: The better known German fighters, the Me. 109 and F.W. 190 presented little difficulty to the versatile Spitfire IXB and the Spitfire XIX was vastly superior to either of them as it was faster and could out turn and climb either with ease.

Still, the P-51 C/D was a magnificent aircraft. It is hard to beat those Merlins.

 

[Rob]

It seems you're trying to get me hung for thread wondering mate. I think the results show pretty conclusively that the FW190 was the king of the roost UNTIL the Mark IX was rushed into service. No question the Mark IX restored the edge to the RAF and as a pure fighter, the Mark IX was to me the pinnacle of the war. That said, if I had to fight a FW-190D, I would opt for the better climbing and faster Mark XIV, which had the war's best combination of muscle and maneuverability. So basically, I would agree with the conclusions of the February 1947 Air Ministry report of Air Fighting Tactics Used by Spitfires in Western Europe which noted in part: The better known German fighters, the Me. 109 and F.W. 190 presented little difficulty to the versatile Spitfire IXB and the Spitfire XIX was vastly superior to either of them as it was faster and could out turn and climb either with ease.

Still, the P-51 C/D was a magnificent aircraft. It is hard to beat those Merlins.

Thank you Bill,your opinion on this is very interesting and most appreciated.I take all blame for thread wandering on me.

Now back to the FW190

Rob

 

[Cyber Field Marshall]

Thsi is an interesting topic. Opinion seems split on this one with some demanding accuracy and others just happy that it looks cool.

Personally I dont see myself able to afford this so I shouldnt really comment but just to pose a question do you think for the amount of money we invest in our collections we should demand accuracy AND coolness?

We all have the right to focus on the negative or positive aspects in any post ( and the ensuing debate is often very informative ) but I find it interesting that generally its the same posters that usually fall into those two categories.

Specifically on the FW-190 Eazy brings up a key issue. As these models get more expensive should we expect something approaching perfection? I mean if I'm not a rivet counter then some low end manufacturers product will suffice. However K&C, Figarti, and CS are all quickly approaching the connoisseur level ( and corresponding significant cost ) of the Russian manufacturers and FL pieces. IMHO at the price point that their products have climbed too it is reasonable that collectors should definitely hold the manufacturer accountable for an outstandingly historically accurate and "cool" product. The "buy what you like" philosophy doesn't seem acceptable to me at this price point anymore.

 

[uksubs]

Hey Bill,if the gentlemen of the forum will forgive me one more question of you

So if you had to pick a pure fighter to fighter fighter plane,would you pick the Spitfire Mk9 over both the FW and the P51?.

Sorry guys,not trying to drift thread.

Rob

Are pick a Spitfire Mk 14

 

[uksubs]

It seems you're trying to get me hung for thread wondering mate. I think the results show pretty conclusively that the FW190 was the king of the roost UNTIL the Mark IX was rushed into service. No question the Mark IX restored the edge to the RAF and as a pure fighter, the Mark IX was to me the pinnacle of the war. That said, if I had to fight a FW-190D, I would opt for the better climbing and faster Mark XIV, which had the war's best combination of muscle and maneuverability. So basically, I would agree with the conclusions of the February 1947 Air Ministry report of Air Fighting Tactics Used by Spitfires in Western Europe which noted in part: The better known German fighters, the Me. 109 and F.W. 190 presented little difficulty to the versatile Spitfire IXB and the Spitfire XIX was vastly superior to either of them as it was faster and could out turn and climb either with ease.

Still, the P-51 C/D was a magnificent aircraft. It is hard to beat those Merlins.

Great post & think your right about the Spitfire Mk XIV only thing is it had a Griffon engine & not a Merlin