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The new Scottish knight, Archbailt Douglas, cannot find the historical link to the crusades? Any idea anyone? Before I get the answer 'artistic licence' i do not think that is a good emough answer for buying a 'historical figure'!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I spoke with my historian friend and he can find no evidence that he fought with the Crusades.
 
Peiper007 said:
Hello

The new Scottish knight, Archbailt Douglas, cannot find the historical link to the crusades? Any idea anyone? Before I get the answer 'artistic licence' i do not think that is a good emough answer for buying a 'historical figure'!!!!!!!!!!!
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This figure is a blend of fact and fantasy... yes he existed no he never took part in the Crusades . Yes the Uniform and design on the shield existed but he never carried it . After reading page after page on the truck that never existed .
I would ask the question, does it really matter to collectors If he or it existed ? How much " artistic licence " is too much ?? Would you buy a Fantasy Marshal of France for your Napoleonic dio ? how about a Field Marshal Adenauer for your Western front display because he was made to " fit in " with other items in your collection ? Is there a limit to 'artistic licence' that you will not cross ? I'm just interested in knowing if there would ever be something as too much 'artistic licence' for K&C collectors ?
I sure hope this post is not taken by some as a call to arms to attack me , It is a serious question ask of men ?
All the best and Happy collecting Gebhard
 
Gebhard...

I think its a good point though, I am sure some may take it as an offence but, I think K&C can get away with what has been called ''artistic licence'' more than other companies because of the ''passion'' of their collector base
Mitch
 
Gebhard,

I'm in total agreement with you on this. While I require a certain degree of historical accuracy in the Medieval figures I collect, I don't consider this a serious breach of that authneticity. This knight's garb is consistant, in general aspects, with the chain mail, etc. in the time of the Third Crusade. The particular artistry of the uniform could be anything the knight desires. Most of my K&C Medieval knights Saracens are not particular personalities anyway. This is just my personal opinion. Others may have a different point of view and I understand and respect your opinions if you do.
 
Whereas a fantasy vehicle might be hard to swallow for most collectors, if K/C had not named this knight at all, it would be called a cool figure and bought up immediately...Michael
 
maddadicus said:
Whereas a fantasy vehicle might be hard to swallow for most collectors, if K/C had not named this knight at all, it would be called a cool figure and bought up immediately...Michael
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Michael,
the thing is, the name Archibald Douglas is real and the coat of arms is real, the only thing is that he did not appear until about 150 to 200 years after the last crusade.
You would not want to add an Abrams tank to a WWII diorama, right? ;)
Konrad
 
If this figure had not been given a true historical knight's name, we could give him any name and history that we would desire to create for him. In my diorama, he will be Sir Star Spangled of Banner, a small village in Scotland. This artistic, colorful knight will have accompanied King Richard I on the third crusade, painting red hearts and stars and stripes on the walls of Acre and all over the place throughout Outreamer. On the morning of the fall of Acre to Richard's forces, Sir Star Spangled is rumored to have truned to his king and said, "Oh say, can you see, by the dawn's early light, what I painted on the walls, as the Saracens took flight?" He is known to be a distant ancestor of Sir Francis Scott Key.
 
kogu said:
Michael,
the thing is, the name Archibald Douglas is real and the coat of arms is real, the only thing is that he did not appear until about 150 to 200 years after the last crusade.
You would not want to add an Abrams tank to a WWII diorama, right? ;)
Konrad
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Konrad ,
I think by your 150 to 200 year calculation it would be more like a tiger Tank at Waterloo :confused::confused: right ?? Regards Gebhard
 
This knight seems a bit unusual to us because we recognize certain elements of his colorful outfit in terms of modern applications. I know I've been having fun with that, but that fact makes the knight even more appealing to me. I expect this will be one of my all-time favorite foot knights. I already have a spot reserved for him in my Crusades diorama. He will be a point of interest and an interesting conversation piece. Look at all of the controversy he has generated on this forum. I'm anxious to get mine.
 
kogu said:
Michael,
the thing is, the name Archibald Douglas is real and the coat of arms is real, the only thing is that he did not appear until about 150 to 200 years after the last crusade.
You would not want to add an Abrams tank to a WWII diorama, right? ;)
Konrad
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Is the coat of arms real? I find that hard to believe - it looks like it came from a very inventive imagination. :D

Terry
 
Honestly....

and not to offend anyone...

I think I would like him a whole lot more if they had left off the ornate red and white trim on his helmet...that's what bugs me the most...

that just seems a little too much for me...
 

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