Infamous Nazi camp guard dies (2 Viewers)

Perhaps you can join me in good riddance then. Too bad he didn't suffer more.

The Ukranians, at least pre war, were known anti-semites.
 
jazzeum said:
Perhaps you can join me in good riddance then. Too bad he didn't suffer more.

The Ukranians, at least pre war, were known anti-semites.
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Absolutely Brad, good riddance to him and his like.

Rob
 
There was a really good movie made at least 10 years ago about a similar story where a policeman or a guard proclaims his innocence and his daughter, an attorney, defends him and during the trial his story starts to slowly unravel. It's fictional but could have been based on this case. I can't remember the name but it had some well known actors in it. Well worth watching.
 
Did a little sleuthing on imdb and the name of the movie is Music Box, starring Jessica Lange, among others. It is really good. Gripping story.
 
A very good movie. Sadly, ukrainians latvians lituanians and a few more former countries heavily participated in these exterminations.

It really has been covered heavily in the worlds press the death of this chap.
Mitch
 
jazzeum said:
Did a little sleuthing on imdb and the name of the movie is Music Box, starring Jessica Lange, among others. It is really good. Gripping story.
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Thanks Brad, not seen this one but it sounds like its worth checking out.

Mitch said:
A very good movie. Sadly, ukrainians latvians lituanians and a few more former countries heavily participated in these exterminations.

It really has been covered heavily in the worlds press the death of this chap.
Mitch
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Yes its certainly in the news here right enough.

Rob
 
Simpson & his donkey. said:
He had children and they had children and children. So do the children of this beast wonder why and what he did or was he just a great grand dad to them. When do we forgive. The japs we never forgive. Simmo.
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Good question Simmo, we could also ask the children of the children of the children who were gassed to death in their millions in those chambers, its not an easy question to answer mate.

Rob
 
waynepoo said:
I second that sentiment Simmo.
Wayne.
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And I third it! The treatment of Allied Prisoners was beneath contempt, and unlike their German counterparts who have at least expressed regret and shame the Japs have been far more restrained in that regard, for that they still beneath contempt,still, just my view you understand.

Rob
 
Rob said:
Good question Simmo, we could also ask the children of the children of the children who were gassed to death in their millions in those chambers, its not an easy question to answer mate.

Rob
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Definately not an easy question to answer. One that these families have to answer for themselves. In the bigger picture of it all, both the nations of Japan and Germany have to come to grips with the horrors and atrocities they allowed to happen. Both nations have been allies to the US ever since and I have to think time will answer the forgiveness.

Still, I have a very very decorated veteran in my family (now deceased) who was a bona fide war hero but did some horrific crimes post deployment that really soured everyone's opinion of him- so much I only I ever saw him twice during my lifetime.
 
Interesting debate remember what is a war crime in the sense some are talking of were not crimes before retrospective initiation. Many countries did not sign upto things like the geneva conventions and similar. How can they be in breach when they deny or acknowledge its existance. The US refused to sign upto the International criminal court regulations because of how it could cover their troops in action. The japanese viewed POW as dishonourable and treat them sadly, accordingly poorly.

Where we draw the line to say someone is a beast or, how could his family appreciate him and love him is a difficult question. Chris has shown one side but, I have family who took part in the Irish actions in the seventies and, the falklands who have commented upon things that they did and were ordered to do that are not following the rules of cricket. but, these are war situations and, people do extraordinary things in these circumstances. They may be held liable by courts of law but, its not a mystery to me how their families will still love them anymore than its not difficult to acknowldege that some may shun them.
Mitch
 
Rob said:
And I third it! The treatment of Allied Prisoners was beneath contempt, and unlike their German counterparts who have at least expressed regret and shame the Japs have been far more restrained in that regard, for that they still beneath contempt,still, just my view you understand.

Rob
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Funny we have Americans today that squawk when ever reparations for slavery are brought up. The same US government that existed then is still the one we have today. There are no surviving US slaves nor slave owners let there are existing corporations and ownwer descendants that profited from slavery. A similar case would be the Native Americans.


I don't think there is any direct link between Imperial Japan and the current Japanese govt. (Enlighten me?) The Japanese would need some still surviving persons to show regret or a nation wide institution to express regret for WWII. What would it take? There should be some "comfort" in that Japan's military was beaten and destroyed and it's home islands bombed (And How!) and occupied. Most of the Allied countries do have governments that existed then and still exist, representing their countries' populations, for the Japanese to make amends to.
 
To be honest I'm not really talking about how bad the bombing of Japan was, many countries suffered large loss of life through this form of Warfare, I'm talking about the systematic, deliberate, prolonged , torture murder and neglect of our captured serviceman and civilians and that of our allies in a manner unmatched in WW2. To be blunt I don't give a tinkers cuss if today's Japenese government has no link to the Imperial Japan of WW2 , they could as a country step forward and apologise in a genuine and heartfelt manner, if they had an ounce of decency or respect for the now fading surviors of our nations who suffered horrific treatment at the hands of their ancestors they should reach out to the victims and do it. Never mind the years gone by , never mind the why should they, etc etc , they should swallow their pride it and just do it, what they did was not an act of war it was torture of the defenceless. Just my view of course.

Rob
 
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