Missing Airliner (3 Viewers)

[wayne556517]

Confirmed it was terrorism.

 

[marco55]

That's really not the point, as you well know. The question is the inordinate amount of attention this story has received compared to other stories of potentially greater impact to the world.

I think the amount of attention is due to the mystery of it's disappearance.Most people I know are more interested in this than what's happening in the Ukraine even though that the Ukraine could be the story of 2014.
Mark

 

[theBaron]

Confirmed it was terrorism.

Do you have a source you can cite? I only see a story that the Malaysian Prime Minister has described it as "deliberate" (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1), but that's not necessarily the same thing as a terrorist attack. Details tend to suggest air piracy, rather than a terrorist attack. A fine point, perhaps, but there is a difference.

And Brad's right, this is a terrible event, but in terms of its impact on the world, it doesn't have the same impact as a pending war in Eastern Europe.

 

[Combat]

In the overall scheme of things, this story has received more coverage than warranted in comparison with what's happening in the Ukraine, which is more significant.

A lot of people can relate to air travel and love a mystery. I doubt many Americans could find the Ukraine on a map. That doesn't mean it's less important, but simply does not generate the level of mass interest. Media outlets want ratings. There was a story on CNN about a girl working her way through college as a porn star. That was one of the most viewed stories - maybe the top story - for the entire week.

 

[bromhead]

It's hard to believe, but apparently over ten years after 9/11 and with requirements like taking our shoes and belts off at airports, two people got on an international flight with stolen passports. Something that could easily have been checked. Apparently the airline was not required to check the Interpol database that reported them as stolen. And did not check on its own. One of these passports was reported stolen over a year ago in 2012! Even if that turns out to be unrelated to whatever happened, that needs to be fixed. If these people did have something to do with the plane going down, it's all the more tragic since it was entirely avoidable.

The devils triangle plus

 

[bromhead]

Do you have a source you can cite? I only see a story that the Malaysian Prime Minister has described it as "deliberate" (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1), but that's not necessarily the same thing as a terrorist attack. Details tend to suggest air piracy, rather than a terrorist attack. A fine point, perhaps, but there is a difference.

And Brad's right, this is a terrible event, but in terms of its impact on the world, it doesn't have the same impact as a pending war in Eastern Europe.

doubt that,, the Ukraine military seems to be fading by the day

 

[Combat]

There is also the disturbing, albeit small possibility, that some bad guys now have a 777 in their possession with the capability to pull some type of suicide attack. My guess is that whatever the plan, whoever took over the plane was an inexperienced pilot and eventually got lost or crashed somewhere in the ocean. Maybe the passengers even rushed them. If the pilot were going to take the plane down, he would have done so. There was no need to fly off course for hours before doing that.

 

[Rutledge]

There is also the disturbing, albeit small possibility, that some bad guys now have a 777 in their possession with the capability to pull some type of suicide attack. My guess is that whatever the plan, whoever took over the plane was an inexperienced pilot and eventually got lost or crashed somewhere in the ocean. Maybe the passengers even rushed them. If the pilot were going to take the plane down, he would have done so. There was no need to fly off course for hours before doing that.

There's also the question of the missing emergency beacon. It is set up to go off right before the plane crashes, as I understand it. No such signal was ever received.

Now here's a far out possibility. The plane is captured and "repurposed". At some point it takes off again headed for Wahington DC or NYC. Its new or same captain claims he wants asylum or something such and has 230 odd passengers/hostages. Dare we shoot it down? How furious would the Chinese be if we did? But if it gets let through, and has aboard a WMD of some kind, I.e., an EVP device, nuclear bomb, etc., then what!!

I know it sounds far fetched/conspiracy theory whacko, but the whole thing is too bizarre at this point.

 

[marco55]

There's also the question of the missing emergency beacon. It is set up to go off right before the plane crashes, as I understand it. No such signal was ever received.

Now here's a far out possibility. The plane is captured and "repurposed". At some point it takes off again headed for Wahington DC or NYC. Its new or same captain claims he wants asylum or something such and has 230 odd passengers/hostages. Dare we shoot it down? How furious would the Chinese be if we did? But if it gets let through, and has aboard a WMD of some kind, I.e., an EVP device, nuclear bomb, etc., then what!!

I know it sounds far fetched/conspiracy theory whacko, but the whole thing is too bizarre at this point.

That is really a scary scenario.
Mark

 

[theBaron]

doubt that,, the Ukraine military seems to be fading by the day

Sorry, but the situation still threatens to cause more trouble for a larger number of people at this time, than a missing airliner. Even if it winds up that the airliner was hijacked to be used as a massive homicide bomb, that doesn't have the same impact on the international political situation as Putin's latest step towards his goal of establishing a new version of the Russian empire.

 

[Rutledge]

Sorry, but the situation still threatens to cause more trouble for a larger number of people at this time, than a missing airliner. Even if it winds up that the airliner was hijacked to be used as a massive homicide bomb, that doesn't have the same impact on the international political situation as Putin's latest step towards his goal of establishing a new version of the Russian empire.

Maybe Putin arranged the hijacking to keep Ukraine off the front pages? Anything is still possible, really.

If the homicide bomb is of a massive nature, the disruption could be severe.

Putin and Russia have a long way to go before their empire is reestablished. Their one dimensional (oil based) economy is no match for the US. Also, the crony capitalism they practice to near perfection is utterly unsustainable when push comes to shove. I believe we need a more muscular foreign policy, absolutely, but Putin is overreaching and setting the stage for his own demise, IMO.

 

[damian]

I think the amount of attention is due to the mystery of it's disappearance.Most people I know are more interested in this than what's happening in the Ukraine even though that the Ukraine could be the story of 2014.
Mark

I think most of us are more interested in sport than in any made for media crisis.
Sorry just a bit cynical but I actively try and avoid getting too involved in current events and media spectacles.
this too will pass.

 

[Peter Reuss]

Gents, the situation in the Crimea is a political one. We have people from all over the world on this forum, and delving into the morass of the Crimean situation is a surefire way to have a forum meltdown.

Let's stick with the forum rules and keep politics out of the conversation.

The Crimea is fair game...only if the Light Brigade is involved!

 

[nmrocks]

Frankly this whole thing stinks of a cover-up from near the start. Anyone with lick of sense sees the elephant in the room... 2 Iranians 19 and 29, totally in the terrorist profile with stolen passports coming from one of the hottest Islamic terrorist area in the world, trying to get asylum in Germany by flying thru china? Please... My opinion is the search of the pilots house and the initial white washing of these 2 stinks of the same political correctness that has tsa search 80 year old wheelchair bound women for bombs

 

[The Military Workshop]

This is certainly a mystery.

Unfortunately it will also be an incident where other countries will study it learn from it. One of the things thst has struck me is that the main minister at the press conferences has two positions. He is the Acting Transport Minister but also the Defence Minister. The confusion about the plane changing course and heading back over Malaysia is something thst should be of great concern to Defence as to why it was not picked up and noted sooner. This implies issues with the Malaysian air defence coverage and co-ordination with the civilian air authorities. This Minister has a major conflict of interest between his two roles.

The information being released keeps changing and it seems strange thst some things apparently known now (ie direction change out over to Andaman) could not be known the first day. This has had a major effect on where search planes and ships have been deployed. Another problem is involvement of other countries such as Vietnam and China who have released information such as the satellite photos of alleged plane.

Now we are hearing the Captain was a supporter of the main Opposition leader and had attended a court hearing involving him several hours before the flight. Whether or not this is relevant who knows but it does throw in another strange angle to consider.

Problem is the information is changing almost daily.

 

[Combat]

One thing I've learned from this is never allow yourself to be shown on TV in footage shot from one of those security cam videos. Mother Theresa would look suspicious on a security camera. And the quality is always horrendous.

 

[uksubs]

Interesting read on the subject
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

 

[Desertkiwi]

News just coming though now that they may have picked up the location of some 'wreckage' south, west of Perth......fingers crossed.

 

[wayne556517]

News just coming though now that they may have picked up the location of some 'wreckage' south, west of Perth......fingers crossed.

Nah mate it was just my esky i lost over board fishing,it was empty i had drunk the beer,s..........................^&grin

 

[Desertkiwi]

Nah mate it was just my esky i lost over board fishing,it was empty i had drunk the beer,s..........................^&grin

...at 24 metres long, that's one heck of an esky Wayne{eek3}.......your boat must be the size small cruise-liner^&grin