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[tommy416]

Does anyone know if there are plans to fill in the holes for the dead that seem to be missing for the british highlander line. they seem to be immortal to french guns.

 

[OldCelt]

Does anyone know if there are plans to fill in the holes for the dead that seem to be missing for the british highlander line. they seem to be immortal to french guns.

I see no problem with that at all!!!
O.C.

 

[Rob]

I see no problem with that at all!!!
O.C.

Yep thats how we won!!!

(I can get away with this because Rons away getting married!!!)

Rob

 

[Harrytheheid]

Does anyone know if there are plans to fill in the holes for the dead that seem to be missing for the british highlander line. they seem to be immortal to french guns.

They're Highlanders, and they're all called McLeod, so of course they're immortal.

 

[OldCelt]

They're Highlanders, and they're all called McLeod, so of course they're immortal.

Actually a McLeod did go down at Waterloo. Angus McLeod o" the Gordons slipped in the mud attempting to take a sporan flask hand off from crpl. Sandy McPhee. He stmbled out into the front of a troop of the 3rd Curasiers most of whom wer unhorsed into the swill of the churned up ground.
They FrenchHorsemen managed to recover and with draw to the rear. Where seen by a renowned Colonel of the Imperial Guards He was said to have shouted " Merde how repulsive!" Which was miss heard over the din of the battle by junior officers. This in turn started the whole turn of events after Maitlands Guards fired...Or so the legends in the Hi'lands sing!!

 

[Tex]

I would like to point out that the Highlanders present at New Orleans in 1815 were far from immortal, as American soldiers proved...

 

[Robert E. Lee]

Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Harrytheheid]

I would like to point out that the Highlanders present at New Orleans in 1815 were far from immortal, as American soldiers proved...

Its a well known Hollywood fact that at least one Mcleod was immortal.

 

[Louis Badolato]

Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles
And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go.
They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Ole Hickery said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'till we looked 'em in the eyes
We held our fire 'till we seen their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and blew 'em all to . . . well

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

 

[Harrytheheid]

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Ole Hickery said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'till we looked 'em in the eyes
We held our fire 'till we seen their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and blew 'em all to . . . well

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

It was nuthin to do with your squirrel guns Louis. We just couldn't wait to get into that wonderful N'Orleens cuisine....

 

[OzDigger]

I've often wondered what that song was about and after checking some references it seems the British later took the American surrender at the Battle of Fort Bowyer which was the actual last battle of that war. Which the British won - they still have Canada don't they

 

[Rob]

No,no,no.We couldn't possibly have fought the Americans in 1815.Its a proven fact that the British never ever left this little island of ours.No,all we have ever done is sail our little Navy round and round the British isles handing out flowers and sweetmeats.We never ventured past Dover,except once to rescue a poorly little Seagull.You guys crack me up!!,next you will be saying we were responsible for a brutal Empire of slavery and oppression!

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

No,no,no.We couldn't possibly have fought the Americans in 1815.Its a proven fact that the British never ever left this little island of ours.No,all we have ever done is sail our little Navy round and round the British isles handing out flowers and sweetmeats.We never ventured past Dover,except once to rescue a poorly little Seagull.You guys crack me up!!,next you will be saying we were responsible for a brutal Empire of slavery and oppression!

Rob

Sweetmeats I had to google that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetmeat No wonder the Yanks weren't impressed

Btw, those Koreans do like their dog don't they, makes me a bit suss about Korean bbq now

 

[Rob]

Sweetmeats I had to google that:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetmeat No wonder the Yanks weren't impressed

Btw, those Koreans do like their dog don't they, makes me a bit suss about Korean bbq now

Yes the word 'sweetmeats' makes you think of all sorts of culinary delights,then you read what it actually is and to use a term of yours Oz makes you want to Hurl!

Rob

 

[Tex]

Which the British won

I would have to say that the war was a draw. No American aims were accomplished (except that our sailor's rights were observed, our industry began to build up due to the blockade, and there was a new wave of nationalism that resulted in the "Era of Good Feelings" during which many canals and roads were built adding to the infrastructure of our young country) and no British aims were accomplished, if they really had any in the first place other than simply ending the war. To me, the war was a draw, but we "Yanks" took it as a victory, and actually enjoyed the afore mentioned fruits of that victory (unfortunately, munching on Canadian bacon was not in the cards for us. Too bad. You know, if you guys want to be annexed, it's not too late. Texas did it.)

 

[Harrytheheid]

Btw, those Koreans do like their dog don't they, makes me a bit suss about Korean bbq now

Oz, nuthin wrong with a bit of Fido.....Depends how you cook him of course.

 

[OzDigger]

I would have to say that the war was a draw. No American aims were accomplished (except that our sailor's rights were observed, our industry began to build up due to the blockade, and there was a new wave of nationalism that resulted in the "Era of Good Feelings" during which many canals and roads were built adding to the infrastructure of our young country) and no British aims were accomplished, if they really had any in the first place other than simply ending the war. To me, the war was a draw, but we "Yanks" took it as a victory, and actually enjoyed the afore mentioned fruits of that victory (unfortunately, munching on Canadian bacon was not in the cards for us. Too bad. You know, if you guys want to be annexed, it's not too late. Texas did it.)

I suspect their main aim was to kick you guys out of Canada

I googled this book, it may be of interest to those into this era:

Don't Give Up the Ship!
Myths of the War of 1812
Donald R. Hickey
Foreword by Donald E. Graves
Clearing the fog from the war of 1812

No longer willing to accept naval blockades, the impressment of American seamen, and seizures of American ships and cargos, the United States declared war on Great Britain. The aim was to frighten Britain into concessions and, if that failed, to bring the war to a swift conclusion with a quick strike at Canada. But the British refused to cave in to American demands, the Canadian campaign ended in disaster, and the U.S. government had to flee Washington, D.C., when it was invaded and burned by a British army.

By all objective measures, the War of 1812 was a debacle for the young republic, and yet it was celebrated as a great military triumph. The American people believed they had won the war and expelled the invader. Oliver H. Perry became a military hero, Francis Scott Key composed what became the national anthem and commenced a national reverence for the flag, and the U.S.S. Constitution, "Old Ironsides," became a symbol of American invincibility. Every aspect of the war, from its causes to its conclusion, was refashioned to heighten the successes, obscure the mistakes, and blur embarrassing distinctions, long before there were mass media or public relations officers in the Pentagon.

In this entertaining and meticulously researched book by America's leading authority on the War of 1812, Donald R. Hickey dispels the many misconceptions that distort our view of America's second war with Great Britain. Embracing military, naval, political, economic, and diplomatic analyses, Hickey looks carefully at how the war was fought between 1812 and 1815, and how it was remembered thereafter. Was the original declaration of war a bluff? What were the real roles of Canadian traitor Joseph Willcocks, Mohawk leader John Norton, pirate Jean Laffite, and American naval hero Lucy Baker? Who killed the Shawnee chief Tecumseh and who shot the British general Isaac Brock? Who actually won the war, and what is its lasting legacy? Hickey peels away fantasies and embellishments to explore why certain myths gained currency and how they contributed to the way that the United States and Canada view themselves and each other.

 

[Louis Badolato]

Oz,

Just a couple of points:

The British were very busy dealing with Ron's friend Napoleon, so they didn't really want to focus on the War with the fledgling U.S. The Canadians (as well as their version of Field Marshall Winter) easily defeated our poorly conceived and executed invasion of Canada, and the British made a successful attack on our capital, which was defended only by poorly trained militia. However, they learned a very shocking lesson when they attempted to engage our new Constitution class Frigates with their older, lighter gunned Frigates. In all but one one on one encounters, the British Navy suffered extremely unacceptable defeats at the hands of our better designed ships (Teddy Roosevelt actually first made his name by writing an extremely well detailed book on these encounters entitled "The Naval War of 1812" - an excellent naval treatise if you can overlook the racial superiority theories inherent in its conclusions). As a result of their preoccupation with the French, and a need to avoid further bad publicity from naval encounters (the Admirilaty actually ordered British Frigates never to engage American Frigates without a 2 to 1 advantage in numbers), the British government negotiated generous peace terms with our envoys, meeting all our initial concerns about impressing seamen, etc. Sadly for all involved, news of the peace treaty had not reached the United States prior to the British attempt to invade New Orleans. As a result of extremely poor British generalship (Pakenham paid for his incompetence with his life) the British suffered what Wellington described as the worst debacle in British military history, and the fledgling Sutherland Highlanders, in their first battle, suffered better then 50% casualties. I don't know anything about a later surrender in Canada (history classes here in the United States generally completely ignore our losses or screw ups), but I would characterize the war as a draw: we got our butts kicked in attempting to invade Canada and the British burned our capital, but our Navy won all but one major engagement with the far larger and more experienced British Navy, and the biggest single engagement of the war at New Orleans might have been the worst defeat in British military history, at least until General Elphinstone got his entire army slaughtered retreating from Afghanistan.

 

[damian]

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

Ole Hickery said we could take 'em by surprise
If we didn't fire our muskets 'till we looked 'em in the eyes
We held our fire 'till we seen their faces well
Then we opened up our squirrel guns and blew 'em all to . . . well

We fired our guns but the British kept a coming
There weren't quite as many as there was a while ago
We fired once more and they all began a runnin'
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.

I suppose the most famous song about that conflict must be " The Star Spangle Banner" It is one of those national anthems along with God Save the Queen which even though I am not American gives me goosebumps when I hear it.

Regards
Damian Clarke

 

[Tex]

The Constitution class frigates (which were of two different but similar Joshua Humphrey's designs), did very well, as Louis pointed out. The only loss was the Chesapeake, due to some critically poor judgement calls on the part of James Lawrence (who became a martyr, coining the phrase, "Don't give up the ship!"). The USS President, under the command of Stephen Decatur, was overtaken by an entire British Squadron and surrendered, but it was some time after the war's official end.

There were military successes for the US on land other than New Orleans, believe it or not. The Battle of Craney Island, for instance, found US Sailors, Marines and militiamen routing a British landing force of trained infrantry and marines in Hampton Roads, Virginia.

If anything, this war proves the addage "mind over matter"--it was a draw, but the US convinced itself that it had won, and actually reaped many benefits as a result of the energy this instilled in us.

Again, it's too bad we couldn't get Canada. We will one day...